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2011/07/12 16:40:10 (permalink)

When recording with USB Mic, bad latency problem while monitoring....

Hey everyone!

  I am new to Music Creator 5 (Pretty new to computer audio production)

  I have the output signal routed to my speakers and the input signal routed from my USB Condenser mic. When clicking the button to monitor the input signal when recording vocals, I hear the actual signal come out of my headphones about 2 seconds later after I sing. I have the latency turned all the way down in the audio options and still bad latency. I have no idea what to do. When I click on drums in Studio Drums the sound is perfect. (No latency problem)

I'm not using any type of outboard audio interface.

 Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! =]

 
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    Beagle
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    Re:When recording with USB Mic, bad latency problem while monitoring.... 2011/07/12 17:52:50 (permalink)
    sigh.

    qualm16, you are the victim of poor information - usb mics are the "bane" of our existence here on the forum!

    the problem with USB mics is that it IS a soundcard - yes, it's only one way - INPUT, but it's still a soundcard as far as the computer and MC is concerned.  so you're trying to use TWO soundcards - one for input and the other for output.  this is never a good combination because they have different clocks. 

    does the USB mic you have have a headphone output on it?  if it does you can set up MC to use it for input and output and that should solve a big portion of your latency problems.

    another option that MIGHT work is to download ASIO4ALL (google it) and install it, then change to ASIO driver mode.  that might work, but it might not.  it's actually just a "band-aid" for the problem.

    my best advice to you is to return the USB mic and get a USB soundcard and a tranditional mic.

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    Re:When recording with USB Mic, bad latency problem while monitoring.... 2011/07/12 20:26:20 (permalink)
    ditto.

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    Re:When recording with USB Mic, bad latency problem while monitoring.... 2011/07/13 04:28:10 (permalink)
    There's a sticky about USB mics on the LE forum. THat might include something for you.

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    Re:When recording with USB Mic, bad latency problem while monitoring.... 2011/07/13 08:51:08 (permalink)
    It is not impossible to use a USB mic.

    There are a few people through the years who have claimed to be able to get them working well enough to record.

    The problem is that most people can not get them working in a recording environment. They work great for simple things like simple sound recording and pod casting but not recording mutlitrack stuff.

    The people who claimed to get them working correctly with Cake products never..... not one.... ever came back to this forum and posted any music (in the songs forum)  they had recorded using the USB mic as the source for the project.

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    Re:When recording with USB Mic, bad latency problem while monitoring.... 2011/07/13 17:26:13 (permalink)


      Well, I went back to my studio and tried recording again with my usb mic. I have been working on a simple reggae mix using loops. (Just to get use to the program) After laying down the drum patterns, guitar and bass, I then tried to put vocals over it with my CAD USB mic. When monitoring the input with headphones, it sounded almost perfectly in time! I dont know what my problem was to begin with but now its working fine.

    No, my USB does not have a headphone out. And Yes, in the future I defiantly will be investing in a USB audio interface. (Something like the M-  Audio Fasttrack Pro)

    By then im sure I will have the hang of MC and will be making some great music!

    Thanks again! Im about to install the MC 5 update! =]
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    Re:When recording with USB Mic, bad latency problem while monitoring.... 2011/07/14 07:49:05 (permalink)
    glad it's working for you....

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    Re:When recording with USB Mic, bad latency problem while monitoring.... 2011/07/14 07:58:58 (permalink)
    Guitarhacker



    There are a few people through the years who have claimed to be able to get them working well enough to record.




    not claimed, I DID (as per my post on LE forum)  I used to use it more.. remember if your playback card is rubbish also.. that's the issue also as the mic is only for input.

    using asio4all with a usb mic is pretty much a no no, it makes the latency far worse.
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    Re:When recording with USB Mic, bad latency problem while monitoring.... 2011/07/14 08:26:58 (permalink)
    Yes I remember that.  You are about the only one that I know of....all the others who claimed to get it working, or tried to get it working... I never heard anything from them in the form of recordings done with the USB mic. (to my knowledge)

    I did not mean to make it sound like it is impossible to do, because , clearly it is possible. But for the average newbie, it is a formidable task to accomplish. Even you admitted that in the posts on this topic a few years ago.

    Your work on getting the mic working and posting the info (which the admins wisely decided to make into a sticky) was outstanding. I have referred more than a few people who come in and have a USB mic to that sticky.  I also encourage them to return it if they just bought it and take the better, easier path to recording with a decent USB external interface. 

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    Re:When recording with USB Mic, bad latency problem while monitoring.... 2011/07/26 13:19:03 (permalink)
        Hey everyone!

             Ive been looking at the
    MobilePre Preamp from M-Audio used on ebay for 75$

    http://cgi.ebay.com/MOBIL...mp;hash=item2a129e2e2f

       Would it be pretty sufficient for recording guitar and vocals at the same time? And would it be possible to record both simultaneously, then go back and delete the vocal track, record a new isolated vocal track, and so forth?

      Would I be better off with a more expensive interface? or would this one be pretty good for the "Recording at home musician" ????

    and... it would be AWESOME if someone could help me out with a decent but non expensive condenser mic and a pair of powered monitors that would run with that audio interface. Or will any powered monitors work with any interface?

    Thanks and again these may seem like stupid questions but im a beginner all this will really help me out a lot!

    Thanks thanks thanks! =]

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    Re:When recording with USB Mic, bad latency problem while monitoring.... 2011/07/26 15:39:07 (permalink)
    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/computer-audio-interfaces-convertors#fT=2012:50.00-100.00&gP=1&pS=20&v=g&sB=bS&lP=c&catId=site1YPA


    Go here and look around I like the Presonus used 2x2 USB far better than the mobile pre, as it has better preamps, and lo impedence inputs. Remember get a interface you do not have to upgrade in 6 months. it is the heart and soul of the system.

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    Re:When recording with USB Mic, bad latency problem while monitoring.... 2011/07/26 18:57:54 (permalink)
    all of my soundcard and mic recommendations are on my website.

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    Re:When recording with USB Mic, bad latency problem while monitoring.... 2011/07/26 21:17:16 (permalink)
    Also keep in mind that the interface can integrate audio and MIDI in the same interface. even though you might not want or need midi now.... record long enough and you will need it one day.

    I agree with Robo.... don't be afraid to "buy up" because the interface is the heart of your studio... so get a good one that you will keep for years.


    I've had my Saffire for over 3 years now and it has migrated to my new DAW about a year ago.

    Be sure it uses ASIO drivers


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