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2016/03/16 11:08:04 (permalink)

When to call it quits?

For most of my life, I have been a musician, having taken on many instruments and written many songs. I started playing at 13 and am now 47 years old. However, in the past 6 years, I have not written anything new. I have resorted to re-recording older songs with newer gear.


The problem seem to lay mostly in the lyrical part. Chords progressions and melodies are easy, but written an actual song around them has eluded me recently. Lots of people have blocks from time to time, but I think 6 years is a bit long. When I sit down and try to pull something from my life to write about, I come up blank.


Have I written all I care to share? Do I really have nothing more to say?

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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 11:25:50 (permalink)
Produce some instrumentals?  Or some music with non-word singing, think: Lisa Gerrard.  She's awesome but doesn't bother with words or meaning in that sense.  Perhaps it is time for you to make a departure from normal lyric-based song composition.
 
I'm 51; I've not yet received the inevitable tap on the shoulder, so it's certainly not time to call it quits!
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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 11:29:28 (permalink)
Maybe, ston. I've written a couple trance pieces, but not much. Overall, I haven't felt any inspiration at all in recent years. I'm not sure what's wrong. Everything seems to be sounding the same in tone and pattern, or sounds too much like a song written by one of my influences.

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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 11:30:32 (permalink)
Another thought is to take a genre you've never worked in...analyze it...and try to master it.  Put a challenge in front of yourself.  

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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 11:30:48 (permalink)
I've had some extended fallow periods in my own musical life. In fact, I'm in one now. What has worked for me in the past is changing things up to get a new perspective. Finding new people to make music with. Having new experiences, whether through travel or a new hobby, etc. Redirecting my creative impulse toward drawing, painting, writing, wood working, or whatever else is interesting. . .
 
It has also helped me to realize that quitting for a while, even a long while, doesn't mean quitting forever. Good luck!
 

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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 11:32:36 (permalink)
Everyone at some point will go through some "musical slumps". Since music is such a BIG part of our lives and it's something we all have a passion for, I doubt I'll ever call it quits.....maybe taking a little break will refresh the mind, body, & soul?
 
Or.....you can collaborate with some of the excellent musicians on this forum and re-inspire your musical flow/feed off from others. This may also (hopefully) take out of getting those a blank moments as the slight change in direction may be all it takes?
 
 
 
 

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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 11:36:53 (permalink)
The thing is, I have kind of already done all that. I have arthritis, high blood pressure, cholesterol, asthma and have had two strokes already. I am on meds for it all, but I gave up my drivers license years ago because of it all.

Basically, I do not leave the house. I have explored all the genres I have interest in, with influences ranging from Slayer to Debbie Gibson, Depeche Mode to Madonna, Gorillaz to Danzig. I own many guitars, synths and drum machines. In school, I played trumpet, coronet, 3 and 4 valve euphoniums.

I truly appreciate all the input, but the more I go over things in my head, and try to balance experience with ability and desire with access, I am quickly coming to the realization that I very well my be spent.

Keep dropping ideas my way though. Something may rekindle my spirit.

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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 11:40:51 (permalink)
We all go through this from time to time.
 
I have 3 acoustic guitars, 3 electrics, a bass, a mandolin - and I haven't picked any of them up for about a year.
 
I've got well over 20 unfinished songs but none of it is inspiring me at the moment.
 
The last 3 "songs" I've "finished" have been a result of playing around with a couple of loops/samples & filling them out with soft synths.
 
Depressing to say the least.

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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 11:44:43 (permalink)
It is encouraging to know many of you are also in slumps. Maybe I should just take a month break and see what happens.

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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 11:47:06 (permalink)
I was in a sort of forced hiatus for only 4 years. I can relate. Things opened up for me once I started collaborating on this forum.
 
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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 11:58:12 (permalink)
You're missing the most obvious answer:  Collaborate with someone who writes lyrics!  There are definitely some who currently think chord progressions and melodies are hard, so it would help them too. 

 
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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 12:03:11 (permalink)
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You're missing the most obvious answer:  Collaborate with someone who writes lyrics!  There are definitely some who currently think chord progressions and melodies are hard, so it would help them too. 




This isn't too bad of an idea, fundamentally. I think maybe because I've been on my own so long, I tend to think of things from a personal perspective. In that, I mean, the music and lyrics have all come from within myself in the past. My songs are all very personal to me. It feels... odd... to have run out of things to say. I suppose I could do some collaborations, but would I feel the same about the results?

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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 12:04:48 (permalink)
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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 12:17:46 (permalink)
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You're missing the most obvious answer:  Collaborate with someone who writes lyrics!  There are definitely some who currently think chord progressions and melodies are hard, so it would help them too. 




This isn't too bad of an idea, fundamentally. I think maybe because I've been on my own so long, I tend to think of things from a personal perspective. In that, I mean, the music and lyrics have all come from within myself in the past. My songs are all very personal to me. It feels... odd... to have run out of things to say. I suppose I could do some collaborations, but would I feel the same about the results?




Well, many don't have the decency to stop once they run out of things to say, so I'd say you're ahead of them! 

 
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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 12:45:22 (permalink)
If you've run out of inspiration from your own life, how about writing about someone else's?. There are a million good stories out there, pick a few that interest you. You might find you can give the stories a slant by your own perspective, put yourself in another persons situation and imagine how it would feel.
 
With regards to the music side, I find it helpful to break a slump by forcing myself to write on piano (I'm a guitarist), that tends to pull me away from 'muscle memory' riffs and chord patterns.
 
Also, starting with a top line melody can also throw up some interesting chord changes or inversions that you may not have thought of before.
 

 
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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 16:25:39 (permalink)
I hear Ed starts with Am and, er, well, pretty much stays there! 

 
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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 17:48:10 (permalink)
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The thing is, I have kind of already done all that. I have arthritis, high blood pressure, cholesterol, asthma and have had two strokes already. I am on meds for it all, but I gave up my drivers license years ago because of it all.

Basically, I do not leave the house.



Therein lie the #1 reason to keep playing music.
 
I have a friend who has to have 9" of his colon removed.  I called him today and he was playing his harmonica into the phone as we talked.  He said it was his medicine.
 
I hope the best for you.
 
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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 18:18:49 (permalink)
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I have a friend who has to have 9" of his colon removed.  



Does that mean he has a semicolon now? 

 
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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 19:03:44 (permalink)
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I have a friend who has to have 9" of his colon removed.  

Does that mean he has a semicolon now? 



Well, funny you should ask.  Considering that the diameter of the human colon is between 8-12 cm, and the tumor in his is at least 6 cm in diameter, he has a semi in his colon.
 
However, the length of the colon could be up to 2.7 m, thus he has some to spare. So his colon will be a semi colon, but only by <20% or so.
 
The extenuating issue is that he had a kidney transplant some years ago.
 
I took a road trip with him today.  We spent time isolated together in a vehicle.  We had the "anything could happen conversation."  He told me the password to his music files and said if the worst thing happened, "get my laptop and make sure my friends and family hear my songs."
 
I assured him that salvaging his laptop would not be necessary because the best outcome would be realized. 
 
So now it is semi on the up and up, and semi on the tempest in the mid section.
 
I hope the OP writes a cool song soon: it might be the best way for family and friends to know who you really are.
I hope Craig writes a cool song too.
 
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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/16 19:20:53 (permalink)
That's cool that he has you to talk with.  Most people in that situation don't.
 
As for cool songs, I've got a few started, but finding a job to keep a roof over my head comes first!  Then I'm sure GAS pains will return hard and heavy. 
 
(Heck, I'll probably update SONAR from Producer v4 then as well!  )

 
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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/17 07:22:32 (permalink)
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 Then I'm sure GAS pains will return hard and heavy. 



If the GAS gets really bad you might want to call your doctor.  It could be a sign of something more serious going on.  My friend mentioned that one of his symptoms was excessive GAS, but he figured it was the food he ate.  If you start having a blood in the stool it is time to see the doctor for sure.
 
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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/17 08:27:14 (permalink)
I didn't read all the post replies... I read a few up top....
 
Is it time to call it quits? 
 
No way.
 
A few things..... as long as you are still alive and have your mental facility in tact for the most part, you can write music. Look at the people who have no arms who paint beautiful art by holding a paintbrush in their toes or their teeth. It might take longer but they still express their art.
 
In another forum ...Band in a Box.... there is a member there who is disabled and in a wheelchair and apparently has limited use of hands, and can't speak anymore.  Yet he still composed music using the BB software and posts in the user showcase from time to time....and is active in the rest of the forum.  Your description of yourself isn't quite to his level of disability, so based on what he's doing in music, you don't have a good excuse.
 
There's always a way....
 
So...another short story. I attended a songwriter's convention in LA a few years back and got to hear the great songwriter Jeffry Steel as well as several other hit writing songwriters including Jason Blume.   Steel spoke about his songwriting and said that he writes every day even when he feels like he doesn't want to. In other words, he forces himself to sit down and put the proverbial pen to the paper. Others above have mentioned working with a collaborator. There are a number of songwriter sites where people are looking for musicians to put music to their lyrics or vice versa.  Some of the better songs I have written and been a party too have been collabs where someone sent me some words on a piece of paper...or via e-mail. It's amazing sometimes to see how simply reading the words someone else has written can very often, ignite the spark of creativity in yourself. 

A bunch of my songs are co-writes with Pat Bishop. I also have a number of co-writes with some other writers, but pat and I have done probably a dozen songs or so. We met through a collab with a 3rd person many years back. We're worlds apart politically and philosophically, but in the same groove when we're writing a song, and that's all that matters. She's a lyric writer and sends me her lyric ideas. About 1 in 5 or so turn into a finished song. It's magic when you realize that you're witnessing and involved in that special moment at the birth of a new song and the creative juices start to flow and the song starts to take shape from the simple written words of another person.
 
So there you have it.... find a way to get back involved. As long as you're waking up every morning, you can be writing and sharing music and being a part of the creative process.
 
 

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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/17 10:14:46 (permalink)
I went through a slump a while back that lasted a year or more. Didn't write - Didn't post to the forum.
 
I'm in a little mental slump now, and am thinking of quitting music for a while and take up painting with acrylics. My wife has all the gear, so it would be easy to get started. I have some ideas....
 
Musically - Think about how many famous, famous music-writing duos there are...Rodgers & Hart/Hammerstein. The Gershwin brothers. Paul and John...It goes on and on. So maybe a collaboration would be the ticket.
 
Also - for lyrics - Have you tried looking for poetry that would lend itself to being set to music? Many, many famous tunes were inspired by poetry: Carmina Burana comes to mind right away. There are zillions.

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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/17 10:19:40 (permalink)
I haven't finished a song in several years, but have ~20 in progress.
Some just needs lyrics and maybe some more cowbell, and I intend to finish the more worthwhile projects... someday.
I still find myself listening to them and adding more stuff or changing the instruments, thinking what might sound better or what can be removed, so even though I'm not finishing them, I'm still making music.

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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/17 10:53:00 (permalink)
I agree with pretty much everything that Herb has stated.  We all go through these slumps, but for me, the best way to fight through it is to keep on attempting to write.  Put something down on paper.
 
I think what happens to me, from my own personal experience, I want to continue to top the last song I wrote and if I don't, I am discouraged that it was not as good as previous works.  I am trying to get away from that mind frame and just write.  
 
Similarly to you, I can pretty much write the music at will.  I can come up with chord patterns and melodies fairly easy.  Words I struggle with.  It's not that I can't put some words down, but I want the words to be meaningful, powerful, poetic and make a statement.  Sometimes, I just don't have anything that I want to say.  
 
Collabs are a great way to keep writing and recording.  Scandalous Grace is the collab/ virtual band that I am involved with, founded here with members from the Sonar forums.  We have 3 members (Gracers) and I have witnessed all 3 of us struggling from time to time on getting our songs written and finished.  Having the support of one another to bounce ideas off each other, is extremely valuable and leads to new ideas and en devours. 

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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/17 11:23:02 (permalink)
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Collabs are a great way to keep writing and recording.  Scandalous Grace is the collab/ virtual band that I am involved with, founded here with members from the Sonar forums.  We have 3 members (Gracers) and I have witnessed all 3 of us struggling from time to time on getting our songs written and finished.  Having the support of one another to bounce ideas off each other, is extremely valuable and leads to new ideas and en devours. 



Not to derail this thread, but I'm wondering about how people make these virtual collaborations work. The mechanics like file-sharing, etc., are straightforward enough, but how about the trading ideas part? My collaborations have all been face-to-face where you can suggest a lyric or play a riff and get immediate feedback. Is there an efficient way to do this online?

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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/17 11:26:27 (permalink)
Phone, Skype, Facebook video chat.

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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/17 11:36:25 (permalink)
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Collabs are a great way to keep writing and recording.  Scandalous Grace is the collab/ virtual band that I am involved with, founded here with members from the Sonar forums.  We have 3 members (Gracers) and I have witnessed all 3 of us struggling from time to time on getting our songs written and finished.  Having the support of one another to bounce ideas off each other, is extremely valuable and leads to new ideas and en devours. 



Not to derail this thread, but I'm wondering about how people make these virtual collaborations work. The mechanics like file-sharing, etc., are straightforward enough, but how about the trading ideas part? My collaborations have all been face-to-face where you can suggest a lyric or play a riff and get immediate feedback. Is there an efficient way to do this online?




You just...do it.. Easy enough to throw MP3s and emails back and forth to trade ideas. I collaborated for years with a guy in in Connecticut before I met him face to face. There's a band called 'Distant Towers' who frequent these boards who rarely (AFAIK) meet in person. They have 5  excellent CD's under their belts so far.

 
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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/17 11:53:10 (permalink)
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Collabs are a great way to keep writing and recording.  Scandalous Grace is the collab/ virtual band that I am involved with, founded here with members from the Sonar forums.  We have 3 members (Gracers) and I have witnessed all 3 of us struggling from time to time on getting our songs written and finished.  Having the support of one another to bounce ideas off each other, is extremely valuable and leads to new ideas and en devours. 



Not to derail this thread, but I'm wondering about how people make these virtual collaborations work. The mechanics like file-sharing, etc., are straightforward enough, but how about the trading ideas part? My collaborations have all been face-to-face where you can suggest a lyric or play a riff and get immediate feedback. Is there an efficient way to do this online?




You just...do it.. Easy enough to throw MP3s and emails back and forth to trade ideas. I collaborated for years with a guy in in Connecticut before I met him face to face. There's a band called 'Distant Towers' who frequent these boards who rarely (AFAIK) meet in person. They have 5  excellent CD's under their belts so far.




Exactly.
 
It's not as efficient as face to face, but you make it work.  I find you have to be honest, not easily offended and open to ideas and suggestions.  Reece set up our own Forum site just for the band to communicate from.  Each of our songs has its own thread and we all keep up with conversations via Smart Phones, iPads and computer.  I actually frequent that forum more than I do this one.
 
We have just recently been talking about different ways to possibly interact in real time.  It would be nice to work out ideas in more of a direct method.  However, I will say that I think it would be a challenge, with all of our busy schedules, to actually Skype or Face Time.  Sean usually works late at night.  I usually work really early in the mornings.  Reece is probably the most flexable, but he's is involved with a lot of stuff, with many irons in the fire. Even a few other collaborations.  

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Re: When to call it quits? 2016/03/17 18:55:53 (permalink)
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You're missing the most obvious answer:  Collaborate with someone who writes lyrics!  There are definitely some who currently think chord progressions and melodies are hard, so it would help them too. 




This isn't too bad of an idea, fundamentally. I think maybe because I've been on my own so long, I tend to think of things from a personal perspective. In that, I mean, the music and lyrics have all come from within myself in the past. My songs are all very personal to me. It feels... odd... to have run out of things to say. I suppose I could do some collaborations, but would I feel the same about the results?




Well, many don't have the decency to stop once they run out of things to say, so I'd say you're ahead of them! 



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