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When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
In a recent post it was stated that "Noel hinted recently that Sonar support for Win 7 will cease at some point in the not too distant future". [1] While it is unlikely that CW will be able to quote an exact date, it would be great to have some assurance that Sonar support for Win 7 would be maintained until at least early 2016, giving MS and CW time to sort out Win 10, third party providers to update their software & drivers, and for us to find out what the final MS upgrade and financial models are for Win 10. Noel, over to you .... Thanks, R Reference [1] http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3273912
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/22 21:00:15
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I would imagine there's a difference between "not supported for Windows 7" and "doesn't work with Windows 7." I think there are people out there still using SONAR with Vista. Even though it's technically not supported, it still works.
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/22 21:21:29
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/22 21:46:57
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RD9
In a recent post it was stated that "Noel hinted recently that Sonar support for Win 7 will cease at some point in the not too distant future". [1] While it is unlikely that CW will be able to quote an exact date, it would be great to have some assurance that Sonar support for Win 7 would be maintained until at least early 2016, giving MS and CW time to sort out Win 10, third party providers to update their software & drivers, and for us to find out what the final MS upgrade and financial models are for Win 10.
Noel, over to you ....
Thanks, R
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[1] http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3273912
Here is the original quote by Noel. What I wonder about is if you purchased a year membership for a product that supported Windows 7, how can that Windows 7 support be dropped before your year is up that you purchased ? That wouldn't seem right to me, but . . . Will there be a warning when Windows 7 support is going to be dropped, because that may be a deciding factor in some minds as to whether to buy in or continue with membership renewal, and as said, if you purchase your 12 month membership for a product that supports Windows 7, shouldn't that be for the full 12 months ? I realize Sonar will likely continue to work as expected for an undefined time after 'Official' support is drooped, but 'Officially' dropping support may potentially open unwanted avenues As for support, if a product doesn't support a certain OS, doesn't that leave the door open for the vendor to be able to just say "Windows 7 is not a supported OS, therefore we can't help you" should you have issues ? Yet when you purchased your 12 month membership, Windows 7 WAS officially supported. It's not whether or not Cakewalk would do that, it's more the possibility.
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/22 22:11:47
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Thanks Jeff for providing your thoughts, as well as links to the original posts. Of course Craig is correct in his statement about the possibility of Sonar still working into future with Win 7. However, my question was really more "deterministic" in nature rather than "probabilistic". That is, how long will CW support the use of Windows 7 with their updates. By support I mean that they will endeavour to ensure Sonar Pt works with Win 7 and fix any known problems.
Cheers, R
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/22 22:48:49
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RD9
Thanks Jeff for providing your thoughts, as well as links to the original posts. Of course Craig is correct in his statement about the possibility of Sonar still working into future with Win 7. However, my question was really more "deterministic" in nature rather than "probabilistic". That is, how long will CW support the use of Windows 7 with their updates. By support I mean that they will endeavour to ensure Sonar Pt works with Win 7 and fix any known problems.
Cheers, R
Yes that would be my concern as well, once official support is dropped, basically I think they wouldn't have to ensure that Sonar worked with Windows 7, and I would find it hard to accept that in the middle of a cycle where you paid for something that did have, and/or would have Windows 7 support, of course I understand it would be a hard thing to do with everyones membership anniversary being different etc, and of course there will be ways to negate the assumed rights of someone who purchased a product, albeit a 'membership' with certain support options implied, only to have those removed mid flight as it were, but I guess that's how it is. And there is probably things we don't understand, or didn't hink about, but that wouldn't change the fact that certain possible scenarios just don't seem right to me, anyway, that's life, it's only money.
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/22 23:35:50
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It seems logical that Cakewalk would support Win 7 as long as Microsoft does, and not a minute longer.
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/22 23:45:38
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When cake wanted to support touch the had to use a VC library that Microsoft's VCRedist installer for that rev would not all on XP out of a need to kill off XP. So users of XP can go no further than X2 and not x2A or beyond. I imagine Win7 will be supported until MS forces the hands of devs like that again.
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/23 00:28:14
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It seems logical that Cakewalk would support Win 7 as long as Microsoft does, and not a minute longer.
And that's fair enough to. But as for selling/paying for something, a 12 month membership for a product officially supporting something, I think it would also be fair enough to expect that product to officially support said something for that 12 months, but maybe that's just me.
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/23 10:31:09
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Of course Cakewalk will support Windows 7 for the next year.. Cart before horse. Not even really Cakewalks decision. When MS stop supporting C++ or other libraries is the thing that will probably what will force their hand. That not going to happen very soon. I very much doubt this will happen for at least a couple of years maybe more. Those who want reassurances now should plan to install Windows 10 within the next 11 months. The ball is very much in their court.
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/23 11:54:54
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jih64
And that's fair enough to. But as for selling/paying for something, a 12 month membership for a product officially supporting something, I think it would also be fair enough to expect that product to officially support said something for that 12 months, but maybe that's just me.
This forum over-represents users who upgraded shortly after the membership model became available, so many, like you, will not have thought this issue through. There is no starting date for any annual/12 month membership cycle. It is a rolling start date that begins when the new user activates a 12 month pre-paid membership. New users are permitted to jump in any time, and the "end date" for each user's membership is staggered across the next year. So requiring Cakewalk to support anything through the end of the last joining user's 12 months keeps putting an end to support off ad infinitum. The best you could ask for is a clear announcement when you sign up for 12 months prepaid, that support for Windows 7 will end at a date certain. Ideally that would be after, rather than before the membership expires for users tied to using Windows 7. At any rate, with that knowledge, a new Win 7 user could opt to do a monthly update until that known expiration date. On the other hand, the perpetual license/sale model for software has never guaranteed that any particular software version would continue to run on newer OS versions, and the experience of most is that they do not, and for the most part the user's only option is to buy new software or continue to use an old OS. If Cakewalk is not testing against Win 7 now, that would seem to indicate a significant erosion of support already. It does not necessarily mean that there will not be fixes for Win 7 specific bugs that surface after release of a monthly update. The fact that they are still listing Windows 7 as a minimum system requirement would seem to commit them to maintaining it on that OS.
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/24 03:33:42
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I have to agree. Having tried a fresh Win10 install I find that some of my hardware refuses to work - so I'm back on Win7 and happy. Best outcome if and when they decide to to end support would be to say something like "support for Win7 stops with the December 2017 update". That would allow me to buy another full year and then monthly until support ends. It also allows me to jump back in when I upgrade my PC.
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/24 04:01:32
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☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche 2015/08/24 04:26:38
As in every previous case, Cakewalk will stop supporting an OS when Microsoft do.
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/24 09:33:46
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mudgel
As in every previous case, Cakewalk will stop supporting an OS when Microsoft do.
Microsoft lists January 14, 2020 as the end of support. I am so glad CW is making this long term commitment and we now have it in writing. Thanks Mudgel.
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/24 09:48:34
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mudgel
As in every previous case, Cakewalk will stop supporting an OS when Microsoft do.
Microsoft lists January 14, 2020 as the end of support. I am so glad CW is making this long term commitment and we now have it in writing. Thanks Mudgel.
I don't think Mudgel is a Cakewalk spokesperson, although I don't know for sure...but I also think what Noel (who does speak for Cakewalk) says is pretty clear: "There will be a limit for how long we officially support Win 7. We will soon stop testing on it though it will likely remain compatible for a long time. Win10 is ahead of Win 7 in terms of performance and memory management and outperforms Win7. Read my blog post if you need more details." Windows is doing everything they can to wean people off XP, Vista, 7, and 8 by offering 10 for free. The general reaction is that 10 is superior to previous versions, so I suspect most people will indeed upgrade. As to testing on Windows 7, Windows 7 was released in 2009. That's a long time ago in "computer years." It makes sense that Cakewalk would emphasize optimizing performance on what will likely become the dominant Windows operating system before too long.
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/24 10:24:54
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Microsoft lists January 14, 2020 as the end of support. I am so glad CW is making this long term commitment and we now have it in writing. Thanks Mudgel.
Hey Mudgel you work for Cakewalk now :) M$ aren't exactly saying when they are withdrawing library support or introducing new libraries that may be of interest to developers. Let's just say M$ releases a load of new audio application libraries that will only support win8 and upwards.. I think the motivation to dump win7 by then would be strong. Then again they aren't likely to dump win7 straight away when it is so widely adopted right now, we will see what the future holds..
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/24 11:47:18
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To be clear, Microsoft mainstream support for Windows 7 ended January 13, 2015. After that date, they are no longer obligated to provide assistance to users without service contracts or substantial fixes or additional features. Win 7 is now in extended support, which typically means you will only be able to get "security" updates until January 14, 2020. So when you say Cakewalk will support Win 7 as long as MS does, that time may already be over. Windws XP was in extended support through April 8, 2014, but Cakewalk was not claiming that versions of Sonar released that late were going to be supported by Cakewalk to run on XP. As of a day or so ago, Windows 7 was listed as part of a minimum system requirement for the latest Sonar, check again tomorrow.
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/24 11:50:59
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/24 11:57:34
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So with that in mind I think it's safe to assume win7 support will continue during the free giveaway win10 period but after that it's anybodies guess..
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/24 12:12:12
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Simple solution: If you don't upgrade your OS and want to be completely safe, don't upgrade your applications. I have a removable system drive, and one disk has Windows XP with all the versions of programs that ran on it frozen in time in case I ever need them.
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/24 13:35:37
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/24 17:49:19
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Anderton
Simple solution: If you don't upgrade your OS and want to be completely safe, don't upgrade your applications. I have a removable system drive, and one disk has Windows XP with all the versions of programs that ran on it frozen in time in case I ever need them.
Great advice Craig. I am planning to put Sonar Pt/Win 10 on a new drive but was hoping to wait until January 2016 if Sonar Pt/Win 7 continues to work that long. BTW, I still have a cassette of my music software and midi files from my Commodore 64, that's almost the same thing. right. 
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/24 20:23:11
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Windows 7 supported by Microsoft until 2020
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/24 20:25:20
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Windows 7 supported by Microsoft until 2020
You should read the thread.
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/24 23:59:00
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Anderton
Simple solution: If you don't upgrade your OS and want to be completely safe, don't upgrade your applications. I have a removable system drive, and one disk has Windows XP with all the versions of programs that ran on it frozen in time in case I ever need them.
Great advice Craig. I am planning to put Sonar Pt/Win 10 on a new drive but was hoping to wait until January 2016 if Sonar Pt/Win 7 continues to work that long. BTW, I still have a cassette of my music software and midi files from my Commodore 64, that's almost the same thing. right.
January 2016 is only a little over four months away. If Platinum doesn't work with Windows 7 for the next four months, I would be somewhere beyond astonished. After all, Platinum works with Windows 10 now and still works with Windows 7. I can't imagine such a seismic change in Windows 10 that over the next four months, programs that worked with Windows 7 turn into pumpkins.
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Re: When will Sonar Pt support for Windows 7 end?
2015/08/25 14:22:27
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...I can't imagine such a seismic change in Windows 10 that over the next four months, programs that worked with Windows 7 turn into pumpkins.
http://www.pumpkinsoftware.co.uk/ ?
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