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When will they ever learn???
They continue to waste their time finding fault with individuals SLEEPING on duty (Whether its an ATC Controller or the Vice Pres).
The reality is that you cannot put someone into a situation of working alone for extended shifts and expect the human body to not take over and do its own thing. This is not the fault of the individual but a piss-poor management technique all for the sake of saving a little to make a number. In any business with machinery involved this would be considered a safety issue and would atleast have two employees working together just incase one had to help the other in emergency situations. (Whether is the facilty catching fire or injury). For the ATC Controller careers, I guess they (the powers that be) dont see this to be an issue without thinking about those needing ATC services or the many soles involved. The FAA and OSHA shoulda got off this kick ALONG time ago and made it mandatory for there to be ATLEAST 2 individuals working together at any one time.
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 08:29:47
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digi2ns
They continue to waste their time finding fault with individuals SLEEPING on duty (Whether its an ATC Controller or the Vice Pres).
The reality is that you cannot put someone into a situation of working alone for extended shifts and expect the human body to not take over and do its own thing. This is not the fault of the individual but a piss-poor management technique all for the sake of saving a little to make a number. In any business with machinery involved this would be considered a safety issue and would atleast have two employees working together just incase one had to help the other in emergency situations. (Whether is the facilty catching fire or injury). For the ATC Controller careers, I guess they (the powers that be) dont see this to be an issue without thinking about those needing ATC services or the many soles involved. The FAA and OSHA shoulda got off this kick ALONG time ago and made it mandatory for there to be ATLEAST 2 individuals working together at any one time.
i cant help but think the same thing you are thinking.it baffles me to no end why they do this..playing with peoples lives.
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 08:54:51
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I see where it gets lost in the Red Tape and that is their point-Plausable Deniability in an effort to protect themselfs in a management capacity. For something that is this wide spread in opertions, it needs to come down from the top level of gov't and be set in stone, but getting someone there to grab the rains and get ahold of it is where the problem lies. Coming from a background of having written policies, procedures and regulations and enforcement and inspection of Flightline and Maintenance operations, I know but like I stated it is such a wide area of operation and ownership, it has to be regulated much higher. We can only control what is within our borders but then that is a GREAT place to start. A simple example of taking this problem over is the grounding during 2001. It only takes one at the right level to make the call and get ahold of the problem without placing blame at any one point. (Just fix it and move on  ) Call me stupid but in something this widespread-K.I.S.S. (keep it simple) would work great here!!!
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 09:01:23
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They continue to waste their time finding fault with individuals SLEEPING on duty (Whether its an ATC Controller or the Vice Pres).
The reality is that you cannot put someone into a situation of working alone for extended shifts and expect the human body to not take over and do its own thing. This is not the fault of the individual but a piss-poor management technique all for the sake of saving a little to make a number. In any business with machinery involved this would be considered a safety issue and would atleast have two employees working together just incase one had to help the other in emergency situations. (Whether is the facilty catching fire or injury). For the ATC Controller careers, I guess they (the powers that be) dont see this to be an issue without thinking about those needing ATC services or the many soles involved. The FAA and OSHA shoulda got off this kick ALONG time ago and made it mandatory for there to be ATLEAST 2 individuals working together at any one time.
Not only that, but we force people beyond their biological clocks who are more likely morning people.....if we truely evolved our society and actually let people work they know they are more inclined to work, then I say, let's go forward with this notion.... For example..I am a night time person by nature(biological clock), but stupid freaking fraking society has forced me to work during the day which has me all screwe up...:)
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 09:14:29
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They continue to waste their time finding fault with individuals SLEEPING on duty (Whether its an ATC Controller or the Vice Pres).
The reality is that you cannot put someone into a situation of working alone for extended shifts and expect the human body to not take over and do its own thing. This is not the fault of the individual but a piss-poor management technique all for the sake of saving a little to make a number. In any business with machinery involved this would be considered a safety issue and would atleast have two employees working together just incase one had to help the other in emergency situations. (Whether is the facilty catching fire or injury). For the ATC Controller careers, I guess they (the powers that be) dont see this to be an issue without thinking about those needing ATC services or the many soles involved. The FAA and OSHA shoulda got off this kick ALONG time ago and made it mandatory for there to be ATLEAST 2 individuals working together at any one time.
Not only that, but we force people beyond their biological clocks who are more likely morning people.....if we truely evolved our society and actually let people work they know they are more inclined to work, then I say, let's go forward with this notion....
For example..I am a night time person by nature(biological clock), but stupid freaking fraking society has forced me to work during the day which has me all screwe up...:)
I'm with you. I'm at my best at 11:00 pm. I'm stuck in a morning-person's world.
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 09:15:40
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If the airport is slow at night, simply shut the tower down and it becomes an uncontrolled airport.
The pilots landing at that airport will know that in advance and proceed with the proper precautions and knowledge. It's probably safer than landing at a busy ATC airport in the middle of the day.
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 09:46:23
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They continue to waste their time finding fault with individuals SLEEPING on duty (Whether its an ATC Controller or the Vice Pres).
The reality is that you cannot put someone into a situation of working alone for extended shifts and expect the human body to not take over and do its own thing. This is not the fault of the individual but a piss-poor management technique all for the sake of saving a little to make a number. In any business with machinery involved this would be considered a safety issue and would atleast have two employees working together just incase one had to help the other in emergency situations. (Whether is the facilty catching fire or injury). For the ATC Controller careers, I guess they (the powers that be) dont see this to be an issue without thinking about those needing ATC services or the many soles involved. The FAA and OSHA shoulda got off this kick ALONG time ago and made it mandatory for there to be ATLEAST 2 individuals working together at any one time.
I've had jobs were I was alone. Personally it would be a cold day in hell when I had to have another person to keep me focused on a job or awake. I can't imagine how long the list would be if it were to list every job that required one person to do. If a person cannot handle staying awake and attentive to perform a job....they shouldn't take the job or they should be terminated and replaced. What's the next excuse going to be...they were to busy playing checkers, we need three? What about tower guards in a prison? They are alone and not uncommon for 12 hour shifts. They are not even allowed a radio. The job requires one person in that tower to know what they are suppose to be doing and does it. They are randomly called or signaled by somebody in the compound and they best respond and know that person was there. They must be somebody that wants and cares about their job I reckon. "Extended shifts"....by law a person can work for 16 hours. If a person can't stay awake for 16 hours and function maybe they should be exquipped with shock collars...or something. Maybe if they spent a few months in the employment line....I'm sure there are plenty in that line that would gladly take their job. Somebody help me....I can't stay awake for 16 hours....cryin' punk arse. Whinning whimp.....what we going to call them when a plane full of people die because they just couldn't stay awake? Lonely? We'll hire one more so they can give each other shock treatment....crazy. What they need are random checks and fired when they're caught napping. Knowing they could be caught and fired from not doing their job may keep the awake. Sorry...stepping off the box...they can be glad they don't work for me. I pay somebody, they better perform. They pay me and I work to be the best they've ever seen. Anything less....get out of the way and go home to mommy. "Forced beyond their biological clocks" !!! geeze...I'm blown away...who's forcing? "take this job or I'll...." but I can't stay awake I'm a night person....I said take this job or I'll... LOL I can honestly say I've never heard that one....that's funny. Don't get mad I'm not from around here.
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 09:47:09
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They continue to waste their time finding fault with individuals SLEEPING on duty (Whether its an ATC Controller or the Vice Pres).
The reality is that you cannot put someone into a situation of working alone for extended shifts and expect the human body to not take over and do its own thing. This is not the fault of the individual but a piss-poor management technique all for the sake of saving a little to make a number. In any business with machinery involved this would be considered a safety issue and would atleast have two employees working together just incase one had to help the other in emergency situations. (Whether is the facilty catching fire or injury). For the ATC Controller careers, I guess they (the powers that be) dont see this to be an issue without thinking about those needing ATC services or the many soles involved. The FAA and OSHA shoulda got off this kick ALONG time ago and made it mandatory for there to be ATLEAST 2 individuals working together at any one time.
Not only that, but we force people beyond their biological clocks who are more likely morning people.....if we truely evolved our society and actually let people work they know they are more inclined to work, then I say, let's go forward with this notion....
For example..I am a night time person by nature(biological clock), but stupid freaking fraking society has forced me to work during the day which has me all screwe up...:)
I'm with you. I'm at my best at 11:00 pm. I'm stuck in a morning-person's world.
Darn tooting....that's what I am talking about...:)
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 09:52:24
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90% of our society is morning jobs....I am not talking about nursing, etc.....
Thus if one is honest with oneself when you are truly alert, awake and ready to go be it morning or night, then I say we become a true 24/7 society....
but again, all one has to do is look around and see that most everything is a morning job...most businesses want this 8 to 5pm crap....
Oh yeah...I guess I could take a night time job at a seven eleven, but for what I do and expect to get paid the same..I don't think so...:)
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 10:19:38
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Oh I quite agree with where you are comin from Spacey. Dont get me wrong though. In a business that involves Safety or Lifes, there has to be somesort of Operational Risk Management review to protect people. I have worked jobs that required us to go until the job was turned over-and this has often been upto 72 hours. The human body can only take so much until it takes over. These jobs where they are required to be in a quiet postion in the dark for MORE than 16 hours, come on, it will happen. It is a postion where doing MORE with LESS does not pay. As for owning a business and hiring one into positions that dont involve lifes, thats a different story but do use common sense in the fact of what you are going to put one through, how its done and what you expect in the long run. Its a continuing process improvement procedure that has to be monitored, adjusted and maintained. It is not just an expectation, vision or mission statement to hang on the wall. But that is just my two cents and point of view. Not to be taken disrespectfully. 
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 10:57:33
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Oh I quite agree with where you are comin from Spacey. Dont get me wrong though. In a business that involves Safety or Lifes, there has to be somesort of Operational Risk Management review to protect people. I have worked jobs that required us to go until the job was turned over-and this has often been upto 72 hours. The human body can only take so much until it takes over. These jobs where they are required to be in a quiet postion in the dark for MORE than 16 hours, come on, it will happen. It is a postion where doing MORE with LESS does not pay. As for owning a business and hiring one into positions that dont involve lifes, thats a different story but do use common sense in the fact of what you are going to put one through, how its done and what you expect in the long run. Its a continuing process improvement procedure that has to be monitored, adjusted and maintained. It is not just an expectation, vision or mission statement to hang on the wall.
But that is just my two cents and point of view. Not to be taken disrespectfully.
What do you mean "come on it will happen" ? The labor laws are clear. If an employeer is breaking them then it should be reported. If an employee is putting hisself and others in harms way simply because he was told to- in my opinion he/she is a fool. I have also never seen anybody forced into working by another person. Every job can and does safety issues and many of them can be life threatening. Labor laws apply to all. I have never had a job that didn't have safety rules and job definition explained to the employee. Bottom line was your solution to a somebody sleeping on the job as an aircraft controller was to hire another person to keep them awake. I don't think I got you wrong. If I did, I still stand by my opinion and you agree. You can be assured that I respectfully disagree with your thoughts on this matter and there is nothing further to discuss. I will not change my position on this and see no reason or benefit to butting heads. And it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the powers that be decided it takes two people to keep each other awake....people never cease to amaze me. I do apologize for posting in this thread as I knew it was totally against my "grain". I didn't post to offend or start a debate knowing nothing could be said to change my opinion or view of the statements I read. I simply should have kept my thoughts to myself. So I guess much like a job that may have taken and didn't like....I quit.
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 11:17:06
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My position where having more than one should be required is not for the sake of keeping someone "Awake" As for the Department of Labor and laws put in place-- Employees should stand their ground whether management or those working for them-this is at the point of expecting to have to leave their position or employment. D.O.L. WILL NOT respond until the ACT has been broken, the damage has been done or ones employment has been effected. (They will however document it when reported for their records so when they do respond, they have a base established for what is going on) Thanks for jumping in on the thread though Its nice to have different views and positions on other thoughts. It is the CH and what a place to just sit, drink coffee, relax and speak your mind without fear of retribution. Im retired and have way to much time on my hands and the news tends to spark things to throw out there just to chat about. Again, HAPPY ya jumped in on it.
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 11:20:11
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" The reality is that you cannot put someone into a situation of working alone for extended shifts and expect the human body to not take over and do its own thing. "
I totally agree wit you man.........I mean........like..........Yawn.........ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 11:22:32
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Double Tall Latte for Tim... STAT!!
Do we still say STAT? Why did we say STAT? What does it mean anyway?
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 11:27:41
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Already had a gallon of coffee. I'm immune to caffeine.........
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 11:29:00
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Double Tall Latte for Tim... STAT!!
Do we still say STAT? Why did we say STAT? What does it mean anyway?
Do they have it in an IV Drip, Ill have one in each arm pleeeeeeeeease
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 11:34:37
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ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ................piglike snort.............whaaaaa.......??????/
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 11:50:27
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digi2ns
My position where having more than one should be required is not for the sake of keeping someone "Awake"
As for the Department of Labor and laws put in place--
Employees should stand their ground whether management or those working for them-this is at the point of expecting to have to leave their position or employment.
D.O.L. WILL NOT respond until the ACT has been broken, the damage has been done or ones employment has been effected. (They will however document it when reported for their records so when they do respond, they have a base established for what is going on)
Thanks for jumping in on the thread though Its nice to have different views and positions on other thoughts. It is the CH and what a place to just sit, drink coffee, relax and speak your mind without fear of retribution.
Im retired and have way to much time on my hands and the news tends to spark things to throw out there just to chat about.
Again, HAPPY ya jumped in on it.
Well in that case this job ain't so bad... "They continue to waste their time finding fault with individuals SLEEPING on duty (Whether its an ATC Controller or the Vice Pres). The reality is that you cannot put someone into a situation of working alone for extended shifts and expect the human body to not take over and do its own thing." -digi2ns The above is why I thought you're were making your position about one person going to sleep on the job. Apparently I don't understand your position at all. I do think we've established and agree on "extended shifts" however. The legalities and opinion of those that try to ignore them as well as the danger that may and probably exist. I don't know all the details about the air traffic controller that went to sleep. I do think that when an issue arises that the employer and employee are both investigated. Assuming that they are.....I would assume that if the employee was in an extended shift (legal 16 hr time frame) then the employee should be subject to whatever their disciplinary actions are. If the employee was forced and complied to keep his/her job- Both are at fault. Corrective actions to prevent an incident like this from happening? I don't know. I'm not and have never been in that line of work. My common sense tells me that their should always be a backup person to relieve or cover for a position of high importance. My first solution would be job rotation. Ideally a position that requires one to be walking to relieve the other that may require a lot of sitting. Establish a time frame that would be based on their recommendations. They may decide 4 on 4 off for the trial run....just a thought. Regards Mike, I'm a Taurus...sometimes to much so, maybe.
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 12:17:33
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My in-laws both worked night-shift for over 20 years, making cables. To my knowledge, neither of them ever fell asleep during a shift. They took responsibility for themselves and got enough sleep while they weren't at work.
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 12:27:41
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Well stated Spacey, I like If I were a customer of something where my safety became an issue do to the operations of that company, I would hope that there was a good backup plan in place. -- My what if would be.... in a position that requires a human being to interact and the individual responsible for whatever position had a heart attack or ??? and was unable to do their job causing customers harm or worse, what do I do as a customer. Now as a manager, I would have recognized the importance of the situation from past experiences and made corrections for my facility to prevent similar situations from occuring under my control. Granted this would be at one location but why not a standard across the Country where we can control it. How many more instances of unmanned facilities or crashes will it take for something to change where we can prevent it? Hmmmmmm Im scratchin my head
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 13:51:53
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Mike this morning another I heard another report of a controller
that was apparently watching a movie as the pilot heard it.
Without any more details or knowledge of how things work at
an airport I would safely place a large wager that the
management is as screwed up as the employee. And they
can all feel relieved they don't work for me. Disgusting. Knowing
that their BS could cost a life not to even mention hundreds.
Your suggestion of "standard across the nation" rings alerts of "blanket" solutions
which can be very bad.
Standards based on specifics/ catagories maybe. "Traffic" may be one of the factors.
I don't know. But when they report that the pop-corn machine shorted out and
the tower burned to the ground maybe the fire department will straighten those
guys up.
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 14:06:42
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Yes Sir!!!
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 14:50:23
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digi2ns
Yes Sir!!!
Mike my hard line towards work is surely an acquired taste. I probably acquired it from my dad and the jobs I've had. A few of which were zero tolerance. A couple of them offenses were severe. Not only immediate termination for sleeping but LARGE monetary fines and imprisonment. Federal laws and not easy to avoid sentence if confirmed offense. One such, just for the laugh?....peeing in a drift...termination, $5,000.00 fine- 5 years in federal prison. Minors may relate.
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Bub 
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 15:20:34
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spacey
If a person cannot handle staying awake and attentive to perform a job....they shouldn't take the job
or they should be terminated and replaced.
I agree with you about this. I've avoided applying for 2nd and 3rd shift jobs because I have severe sleep apnea and I know I can't handle it. I may have to consider 2nd shift soon though because time is running out for me and it seems like those are the majority of jobs available at the moment.
"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 15:50:06
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Throwing out all of the obvious, if there's only ONE guy that's supposed to be vigilant for the entire night shift, is he allowed to go to the restroom or does he have to hold it until someone else arrives?
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 15:56:35
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craigb
Throwing out all of the obvious, if there's only ONE guy that's supposed to be vigilant for the entire night shift, is he allowed to go to the restroom or does he have to hold it until someone else arrives?
bucket under the desk.
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 16:15:57
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Hmmmm.... I guess that brings a new meaning to kicking the bucket
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 16:43:41
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post edited by Tap - 2011/04/19 16:44:51
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Re:When will they ever learn???
2011/04/19 21:05:37
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Bub
spacey
If a person cannot handle staying awake and attentive to perform a job....they shouldn't take the job
or they should be terminated and replaced.
I agree with you about this. I've avoided applying for 2nd and 3rd shift jobs because I have severe sleep apnea and I know I can't handle it. I may have to consider 2nd shift soon though because time is running out for me and it seems like those are the majority of jobs available at the moment.
I understand Bub. I have it too. I don't think it's as severe because I raised the head of my bed and my wife tells me I'm sleeping better. ( sounds funny but I didn't know I had a problem) I'm sure not one to give advise but if it's a job you're interested in I hope you go for it and see how it works out. When I worked shift work I enjoyed swing and graveyard more than days. All the boss's would go home and I could just do my job. I believe from what I've seen through the years that peoples body (or clock) can adjust very fast. A dark, quiet bedroom is a must for a shift worker. Priority.
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