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Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point

The world is changing, I can feel it in the water. <-- (famous quote from a movie). Meet the new boss, same as the old boss? Are there there turbulent times ahead? Where will music go now?

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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 03:35:24 (permalink)
    There is an evolutionary speed-up fer sure, a quickening if you prefer, a wake up for all us earth bound loiterers that have been rehashing the same stuff for centuries. Turbulent fer sure, all the while those that are clinging dearly to the old currency of ego based 'power' and knowledge hang on to old ideas, but it'll settle down and everything will be OK in the end.

    Music and all sound really, why that all melds into a single continuous drone which is around F#, with a little overtone which is reminiscent of running water.
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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 07:04:45 (permalink)
    I'm still wondering when latin jazz will finally be recognized as the most sophisticated, rewarding to listen too, and all inclusive music that humanity has discovered.

    Latin Jazz, to me, seems like a great big group hug. Maybe it's time has come?

    best regards,
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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 08:09:38 (permalink)
    Country Opera
    Christian Rap
    Techno folk
    Death metal ambient

    Those are the ones I am investing in.

    Radical change brought about great music movements in the 60s and 80s and a few parts of the 70s if you exclude disco and Journey. Maybe we are headed that way again

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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 08:29:23 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Crg

    The world is changing, I can feel it in the water. <-- (famous quote from a movie). Meet the new boss, same as the old boss? Are there there turbulent times ahead? Where will music go now?


    We know there has always been turbulent times and I see no reason to think it will stop anytime soon. Sadly I see more reasons supporting it getting worse. Many have killed and been killed for money and beliefs. Sure wish that would stop.

    I have no idea where music will go but I'm sure curious about the impact that Celomony's Melodyne Editor is going to have and anxious to see how it changes my music experience's.

    I think internet "Indie" radio is going to become very popular.
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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 08:42:26 (permalink)
    Power & money.... that is and will continue to be the driving force behind the world's problems....

    Those that have it, those that don't, and those that want it.

    Call me an optimist.... I don't see it getting better any time soon.

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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 08:46:02 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Jonbouy

    Music and all sound really, why that all melds into a single continuous drone which is around F#, with a little overtone which is reminiscent of running water.


    According to recent studies, the big bang was tuned to a low Bb. Maybe that's our problem. Bb and F# form "the devil's triad". Oy vey...

    As for the future of music... ever seen the old Buck Rogers episode "Space Rockers" portraying a 25th century rock band? We all laughed back in the 70s, but as time goes on it's not such a bad prediction.
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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 08:56:05 (permalink)
    I'm really chuckling over some of your prognostications, Space_Cowboy, but in all seriousness, I don't think you're too far off the mark with a couple of them.

    Serious contemporary musicians (i.e., academia) recently imploded over this subject and came up with "time travel" as the music of the future, which is nothing more than writing music that contains a wild mixture of styles going all the way back to the Middle Ages. Apparently, they haven't been paying much attention to John Williams' movie scores from the last 30 years.

    I believe "The Best Little W****house in Texas" was the first-ever country opera (or at least attempted country opera). It's pretty old now, but there are bound to be some more one of these days when the older generation has finally given up their stranglehold over the industry (the "ego-based 'power'" thing Jonbouy mentioned).

    Christian rap has already flipped in and flopped out, at least as far as lil ole Willis, Texas is concerned.

    Death metal ambient has intriguing possibilities. Shhhhhhhh.... I'm thinking...

    A seance with Harry Nilsson is probably in order.


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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 09:08:58 (permalink)
    Space, and I suspect you know this...

    We will never again experience the opportunity to be subversive by merely listening to a hidden AM radio in our bedroom while the parents sleep comfortably.

    I don't think music will ever get that opportunity again.

    Mass media has overwhelmed society. When I first listened to the Beatles and the Stones we didn't even own a television set, and now I'm very glad for that.

    What I find most curious is that the uber outsider revolutionaries are now practicing anachronism by revisiting old worn out genres... and unfortunately they are completely ignorant of the historical context of the music they "discover".

    For example; I find a lot of alt teens that are open minded citizens seeking refuge in bluegrass. I like to challenge them by asking them why they are enthusiastically worshiping a music genre that historically has been a celebration of white supremacy and blatant racism.

    At first I'm met with denial... but it only takes a bit of study to learn that Mr Monroe's invention was a reaction to the popularity of that other form of popular radio music. You know, the one with *gasp* drums.

    My dad used to have an ugly name for music that had drums. I never thought that was cool... and that's what rock and roll was all about... not buying into your dad's way of thinking.

    It freaks me out that the new open minded kids are so hungry for a unique experience... an experience not found on MTV/VH1/Cable/satellite that they are willing to support a renaissance in redneck music. (don't shoot me I'm a redneck... but I love my neighbors)

    Another example is the jam band kids. I'm all for jam band music... I think it's sophisticated stuff... but it's sad to see the kids have not figured out the original lesson that came with that sort of music: "Everything in moderation".

    It seems that what used to be an act of subversive revolution and a realization that science was the new order (something about growing up with the imminent threat of nuclear holocaust) is now an act of raw consumption by long haired kids that seem to think its really cool to look like the picture of Jesus they have hanging on the wall at home. It's as if they haven't considered accepting Jesus as the lord savior... they just want to look like him.

    Bummer... another generation of wasted burnouts. At least the first generation had some good primary grades schooling before they ran wild... this generation can barely pass the Comprehensive Assessment Test.

    Oh well, I suppose we should file this under "too much information".

    In any event I think the days of music being revolutionary are long gone.

    BTW, I think books are still vital.

    best,
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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 11:22:09 (permalink)
    Ok, here's what needs to happen .

    1) Punk (of all sorts, real and faux) needs to go away for a while. I love punk but it has a way of overstaying its welcome. Every second band I see now is a punk rehash (maybe its the venues I go to) Punk should be like batman -- it should stay in the shadows and come back when we really need it to get ride of some other crap that has outworn its welcome. Right now punk has outworn its welcome.

    2) People seriously need to lay off the synths. I like synths a lot (and play em regularily) but everyone and his brother has them now and they are getting a little tiring to listen to. The common wisdom is that synths give you an endless variety of sounds. I find this not to be true. I got sick of most new and exiting synth sounds 20 years ago.

    3) The cure need to start suing people. If you are under 25 and in a rock band you are probably ripping of the cure. They seem an unlikley influence but a whole lot of folks sound like the cure.

    4) Rap needs to get political again. I get sick of gansta rhymes and club jams. I want my public enemy. The R&B choruses in rap songs can come back in a decade when they sound fresh again.

    5) Unless you are a world class remixer you should stop.

    6) Hard rock/metal should be more Hell Bent For Leather and less Korn and Pantera

    7) Country should get more Merle Haggard and less "whatever the crap they play now is"

    8) Grime should disapper and all those involved should be quarantined for the safety of the rest of us.

    I'm sure there is more.
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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 11:56:51 (permalink)
    However hard we push the envelope in any direction that will guarantee an upcoming interest in it's contrast.

    I notice a lot of porn pop and unimaginative grind stuff that is a creeping up and making a big sell....of course some tiny tim type will come along and be the breath of 'fresh air' out of the existing trend....that will breed into other 'cousins' of like thematic nerdisms and will lead us to another sharp turn to escape that..................

    There will be ways to program your favorite bands/performers into an engine that will churn out the perfect song, made from the elements chosen, JUST FOR YOU...it is becoming more and more personalized and less of a community experience....of course that puts me out of a hobby and relieves the wife of my moody ego trip.
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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 12:08:23 (permalink)
    Death Metal Ambient, what a label. I guess it's better than Emo. How about Folk-Death Metal Ambient-Emo- Indie-Rock. The crossover market possibilities are endless.

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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 12:10:46 (permalink)
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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 12:17:48 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: No How

    However hard we push the envelope in any direction that will guarantee an upcoming interest in it's contrast.

    I notice a lot of porn pop and unimaginative grind stuff that is a creeping up and making a big sell....of course some tiny tim type will come along and be the breath of 'fresh air' out of the existing trend....that will breed into other 'cousins' of like thematic nerdisms and will lead us to another sharp turn to escape that..................


    When I see some of today's videos, I wonder how much more is left to show of the human booty. Why doesn't Britney just give us a 3 minute view of her colonoscopy and be done with it?

    Then I see an old Audrey Hepburn movie and think, wow, someone could make a killing if they just find some classy dame to give us a breath of fresh air while keeping all her clothes on. It would be positively outrageous. Think that'll ever happen, tho?

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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 12:21:20 (permalink)
    I watched Breakfast at Tiffany's a few months ago... WOW!


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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 12:26:02 (permalink)
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    When I see some of today's videos, I wonder how much more is left to show of the human booty. Why doesn't Britney just give us a 3 minute view of her colonoscopy and be done with it?

    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Then I see an old Audrey Hepburn movie and think, wow, someone could make a killing if they just find some classy dame to give us a breath of fresh air while keeping all her clothes on. It would be positively outrageous. Think that'll ever happen, tho?


    I do. and I think it will be positively 100 times more erotic as there will be r o o m for mystery and possibility again...all the stuff that keeps us in the race (human race)...only so many colonoscopys before you start getting antsy for some good ol' sass and soul.
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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 12:26:25 (permalink)
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    For example; I find a lot of alt teens that are open minded citizens seeking refuge in bluegrass. I like to challenge them by asking them why they are enthusiastically worshiping a music genre that historically has been a celebration of white supremacy and blatant racism.

    At first I'm met with denial... but it only takes a bit of study to learn that Mr Monroe's invention was a reaction to the popularity of that other form of popular radio music. You know, the one with *gasp* drums.



    Mike, sorry to cherry-pick this section out of your post, but I feel you might be better tracing the history of bluegrass further back than Bill Monroe. Bluegrass and 'mountain music' has it's roots in the settlers of the 17th Century, and is a direct descendant of Irish, Scots and French traditional music.

    I don't know too much about Bill Monroe but I have read that a lot of bluegrass tunes from the late 30's and '40's incorporated black and white gospel songs, and black work 'chants'. It seems a shame to label a very enjoyable and historic genre of music 'racist'.

    That would seem to on a par with labelling all UK punk-rock as racist because of the 'Oi' skinhead bands of the late 1970's - there's a much wider picture than that.
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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 13:28:33 (permalink)
    No problem with the cherry pick... I know it's controversial.

    As a blood and named member of the clan MacGugh, as well as a direct blood lineage of Clan MacDonald and Clan Macgovern I can relate to what you are saying about the roots of mountain music.

    FWIW a read of the landmark book Our Southern Highlanders (1st printing: 1913) suggests that the racial tensions did not come from the hills... the racial tension comes from the Piedmont and the Tidewater. Bummer!

    The term "bluegrass" was specifically coined to describe the made for radio music that Bill Monroe popularized in the 1930's. It was made as content for Radio shows that appealed to people who thought musicians such as Duke Ellington were SATAN. It was made specifically to entertain rural radio listeners while advertising regional goods and services.

    The band had standing orders to keep the music restrained and not to play it "hot" like the jazz and swing stars of the day were known to do.

    I've worked and witnessed many a pre this-time-around-renaissance Blue grass festival... the Dixie flag is paraded around everywhere.

    On one particular weekend I warmed up the P.A. on a quiet Sunday morning with a CD of Aretha Franklin singing gospel music.

    It took less than 2 songs to have someone show up screaming obscenities at me... Turn that (insert vile descriptive term here) music off!

    I was beyond disgusted and it took a lot of fortitude to stick out that gig... I wanted to walk so badly. I never went back after that.

    We can discuss the true roots of the music all you want, the fact is it was consumed and celebrated by a very specific crowd, and I think all newbie bluegrass enthusiasts should understand the tradition they are honoring.

    Do a search... I'm not the only whack job with this opinion.

    very best regards,
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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 14:14:48 (permalink)
    I wouldn't presume to call you a whack-job Mike , thanks for the info, I'll do some reading up.

     
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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 14:35:16 (permalink)
    Hi James,

    One thing to keep in mind. Bluegrass is bluegrass, old timey is old timey, hillbilly is hillbilly, country blues is just that. traditional is something altogether different. A real Bluegrass fan knows the difference.

    The "new" grass crowd has thankfully blurred the boundaries and started breaking down the barriers... I think it's good to know why that's a good thing.

    all the best,
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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 15:14:35 (permalink)
    I'm still wondering when latin jazz will finally be recognized as the most sophisticated, rewarding to listen too, and all inclusive music that humanity has discovered.


    You have to move to Europe. A few years ago I went to see Charles Lloyd at a Los Angles club. There were maybe 50 people. He said he just came back from Europe where he was doing 5000 people a night at concert venues. It's a shame. It's really our one true art form created in the USA.

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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 15:38:16 (permalink)
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    When I see some of today's videos, I wonder how much more is left to show of the human booty. Why doesn't Britney just give us a 3 minute view of her colonoscopy and be done with it?

    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Hahaha better be careful L'ing your AO, or you'll be next in line for a colonoscopy!


    Then I see an old Audrey Hepburn movie and think, wow, someone could make a killing if they just find some classy dame to give us a breath of fresh air while keeping all her clothes on. It would be positively outrageous. Think that'll ever happen, tho?


    I do. and I think it will be positively 100 times more erotic as there will be r o o m for mystery and possibility again...all the stuff that keeps us in the race (human race)...only so many colonoscopys before you start getting antsy for some good ol' sass and soul.


    I hope you're right. I thought for a minute Bjork might be the next Audrey Hepburn type thing (they kinda look alike). Her videos are usually pretty classy & intelligent, but I haven't heard much from her lately. I hope she didn't get squeezed out of the biz ...by all the cleavage

    Mike, is Breakfast at Tiffany's the one where she plays guitar & sings "Moon River"? Yup I'll take that over a booty fest any day!
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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 17:38:24 (permalink)
    yep... she's smoking hot!


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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 18:03:20 (permalink)

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    yep... she's smoking hot!


    You aint kiddin! Found it on YouTube
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOByH_iOn88

    Absolutely hypnotic... and she's just wearing an plain old sweatshirt & pants! I keep hoping music will swing back to that sort of simplicity & authenticity. We've all gotta be bored of hyper-strobed booty shakes by now

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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 18:53:31 (permalink)
    I remember doing one week of two weeks for a MTV Spring Break.

    After the first week I begged for replacement. When my replacement showed up I told him "after a few days you'll be sick of viewing flesh".

    The next time I saw my colleague he said "you know, I didn't understand at first... but after a while I was really sick of viewing flesh".

    Crazy!

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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 19:16:11 (permalink)
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    1) Punk (of all sorts, real and faux) needs to go away for a while. I love punk but it has a way of overstaying its welcome. Every second band I see now is a punk rehash (maybe its the venues I go to) Punk should be like batman -- it should stay in the shadows and come back when we really need it to get ride of some other crap that has outworn its welcome. Right now punk has outworn its welcome.


    so basically we need an anti-punk? i think anti-punk would be a good genre...

    8) Grime should disapper and all those involved should be quarantined for the safety of the rest of us.


    what is grime? please tell me it's not the new millennium version of grunge.

    i'd be tempted to add that rock needs to be killed and resurrected.

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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 19:43:24 (permalink)
    I think grime is like grunge... but every one wears Madras.

    I could be mistaken.

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    - jack the ex-cynic
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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 20:08:48 (permalink)
    Do a search... I'm not the only whack job with this opinion.

    You are certainly not. But I'm not sure I see the connection between Highland-Celtic music and Bluegrass.
    The whole Satan thing with Duke Ellington and "black" jazz was merely racism and fear of the bad habits<-- drugs that permeated that scene. All wonderful music but cultural misunderstandings can color even gospel. How many genres would you include in Folk?

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    RE: Where is the world going from this pint- I mean point 2009/01/21 20:19:39 (permalink)
    Folk is folk... any questions? :-)

    "But I'm not sure I see the connection between Highland-Celtic music and Bluegrass."

    Can you clarify what you mean by this? And then I may be able to respond with my take on it.

    best,
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    edit to add RE: folk. Have you ever seen Mighty Wind? It sarcasm is very well placed... that was the whole theme of the movie.




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