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Re: Where were we?
2013/07/31 20:08:23
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To heck with that, where are we now???! 
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timidi
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Re: Where were we?
2013/07/31 20:14:51
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I think that's been covered, no?
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yorolpal
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Re: Where were we?
2013/07/31 20:30:41
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Isn't why are we more topical?
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timidi
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Re: Where were we?
2013/07/31 20:37:55
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could be i suppose.
but then,
that would be an entirely different topic.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: Where were we?
2013/07/31 21:11:36
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☄ Helpfulby timidi 2013/07/31 22:28:31
My wife and I ride side by side on our bicycles on the same trail loop a few times each week.
My Android GPS app says I go 7.0 miles each time.
Her iPhone GPS app says she goes 8.0 miles each time.
I don't think I am ever gonna catch up. :-S
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Re: Where were we?
2013/07/31 21:20:25
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☄ Helpfulby timidi 2013/07/31 22:28:50
You must be closer to the satellite.
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craigb
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Re: Where were we?
2013/07/31 22:21:59
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☄ Helpfulby timidi 2013/07/31 22:28:45
yorolpal
Isn't why are we more topical?
Maybe, but this is topical too:  (Just sayin'...)
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: Where were we?
2013/08/01 07:00:18
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I think I may switch. I've been using Gatorade.
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Re: Where were we?
2013/08/01 07:21:26
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We were wondering-
Somebody has a problem with a function in X2..somebody else says, "works fine for me"...
then it's stated that it's a known bug (by bakers)....
...so we were thinking; if it's a bug then why isn't it a bug for everybody?- after all if it's not
stated at the time by the bakers that it's not a known bug then others tell you something is wrong with your PC.
Do bugs not effect everybody?
If they don't do the bakers know why or ask so they can find out?
Do people really post that it works fine for them when it doesn't or they don't even know?
I was wondering...does anybody really care anymore?...does anybody really know what time it is?
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: Where were we?
2013/08/01 07:29:39
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"Do people really post that it works fine for them when it doesn't or they don't even know?"
Yes, absolutely; "John" did it to me half a dozen times in his first few years here at the forum.
The same folks routinely recommend links that they think are pertinent but when you read the stuff at the links it becomes obvious the person who recommended it has never read the content and so they don't know that their suggestion doesn't apply.
I got sick of cajoling people who claimed to not see anything to actually look in the right place... and I figured out that it's not my responsibility to explain the issue to people who just show up to argue rather than learn.
It must be satisfying to be able to control your take on reality.
best regards,
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craigb
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Re: Where were we?
2013/08/01 08:09:28
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I've never had a single problem with X2!
(I'm still on v4 Producer...)
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SteveStrummerUK
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Re: Where were we?
2013/08/01 08:15:31
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2013/08/01 10:57:16
mike_mccue
"Do people really post that it works fine for them when it doesn't or they don't even know?"
spacey
Yes, absolutely; "John" did it to me half a dozen times in his first few years here at the forum.
Mike, that doesn't that surprise me in the least, that's just the sort of thing I'd expect from some of the fanboys upstairs. Long term, the sycophants and lickspittles do more harm than good, both to the community and the company, in my humble opinion. I've never understood why someone would even bother replying with an "it's working fine here" post. Unless, of course, they qualify that statement with a solution relevant to the problem (e.g. "it's working fine now but I had to do so-and-so... why don't you try it").
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Re: Where were we?
2013/08/01 08:15:31
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2013/08/01 10:57:11
mike_mccue
"Do people really post that it works fine for them when it doesn't or they don't even know?"
spacey
Yes, absolutely; "John" did it to me half a dozen times in his first few years here at the forum.
Mike, that doesn't that surprise me in the least, that's just the sort of thing I'd expect from some of the fanboys upstairs. Long term, the sycophants and lickspittles do more harm than good, both to the community and the company, in my humble opinion. I've never understood why someone would even bother replying with an "it's working fine here" post. Unless, of course, they qualify that statement with a solution relevant to the problem (e.g. "it's working fine now but I had to do so-and-so... why don't you try it").
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Starise
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Re: Where were we?
2013/08/01 09:00:08
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I have been guilty of making some of those " It's working fine for me" comments. I figure if they see that computer a,b and c are working ok with the same keystrokes then this leads to a probable conclusion that it might be a hardware or software configuration issue.
Since most issues from newbs seem to come from configuration or hardware I don't generally fault the software until those other things are eliminated. OTOH if computers a,b and c are all having the same issue then we can be pretty certain someone needs to file a report with Cakewalk on what's happening.
I know you guys have had real issues. If it were me and it wasn't hardware or software configuration then I would do the same thing and try to find a solution/work around. If I simply couldn't get the product to do what I needed it to do I would look for another product that did. I think in saying " it's working fine for me" we are saying that it can work correctly. We may not know why but we know it works for us.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: Where were we?
2013/08/01 09:21:07
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H Starise, Here's an example: It took about a year of pestering to get people to zoom in and figure out that a tiny little bit of every loop they recorded with ASIO was being thrown away. A little gap appeared each and every time. I kept asking people if they would zoom in and actually look before they reported that it didn't happen on their system. I was genuinely surprised at how many people lied and said they did and said everything was fine. Then after a lot of back and forth some finally zoomed in, took a look and said "oh... that?". If some one doesn't have the discipline to consider a question at face value then they shouldn't presume that they may offer vapid reassurances. It's creepy. all the best, mike
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UbiquitousBubba
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Re: Where were we?
2013/08/01 09:21:52
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It's working fine here.
Hope that helps.
I'm not sure what "It" is, but I just got my shiny new Sycophant badge. I'm off to go give ignorant advice on random topics!
"You should try grizzly hunting with a taser. It's safe and eco-friendly!"
"Anyone can juggle chainsaws. Just ask Lefty."
"You don't need shampoo. Use napalm instead. It smells great and leaves a tingly feeling."
"My Pentium II PC with 2 GB RAM octo-boots into one of eight different operating systems including Windows 95, ME, 2000, XP, 7, 8, SuSE Linux 11.2, and OS X 10.8. I run six simultaneous instances of Omnisphere, Reason, Superior 2.0 and Kontakt (for my vuvuzela samples). It all works great because I use a SoundBlaster card."
Hey, this sycophant thing is easier than it seems!
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Re: Where were we?
2013/08/01 09:23:33
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Also significant or insignificant as it may be, Cake does keep putting out newer & newer versions quite often instead of staying with a version while ironing out and fine tuning it to be considered generally stable (8.5 being one of the better versions). I would think it's better to have a good base product and improve on it to make it the best possible.
The folks at Camel Audio have that concept down pretty well. They've been improving on Alchemy as well as the other few plugs since they first came out and have been keeping their customers very happy with those limited products. This might not be the best analogy as it's not a DAW, but the concept seems (at least to me) to be heading in the right direction.
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Re: Where were we?
2013/08/01 09:25:49
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I think the whole idea is to pay on the installment plan now and in 10 years SONAR X will be working great on Windows 8.
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Re: Where were we?
2013/08/01 09:29:58
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UbiquitousBubba
It's working fine here.
"My Pentium II PC with 2 GB RAM octo-boots into one of eight different operating systems including Windows 95, ME, 2000, XP, 7, 8, SuSE Linux 11.2, and OS X 10.8. I run six simultaneous instances of Omnisphere, Reason, Superior 2.0 and Kontakt (for my vuvuzela samples). It all works great because I use a SoundBlaster card."
Hey, this sycophant thing is easier than it seems!
8 different OS's??????  Bapu should've consulted you on his (elementary) setup of a Dual Boot sys.
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Starise
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Re: Where were we?
2013/08/01 09:48:25
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UBubba- You should write a book ;)
Mike- I guess this is what can be frustrating about opening up to folks on the X2 board about a problem. It's like pot luck. You might get a 15 year old commenting on your problem.Who knows? He might just have a solution. Or you might be led down a rabbit trail.
You knew it was happening on your machine and couldn't understand why. The nature of the problem pretty much eliminates any hardware configuration issues. Maybe an issue with how the ASIO talked to Sonar,or how Sonar was seeing the ASIO talk. Definitely a candidate for a bug report to Cakewalk.
I hear you saying that you have a real problem with assumptions made from individuals who never bothered to look. In all honesty most people likely won't take even more than 5 minutes to look at a problem that they themselves don't think they are having. Human nature I guess. It is sad.Even worse if they said they looked and they didn't. Probably what sunk the Titanic. The worst problems might be the ones we don't think we have.
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Re: Where were we?
2013/08/01 11:02:59
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Starise
I have been guilty of making some of those " It's working fine for me" comments. I figure if they see that computer a,b and c are working ok with the same keystrokes then this leads to a probable conclusion that it might be a hardware or software configuration issue.
Since most issues from newbs seem to come from configuration or hardware I don't generally fault the software until those other things are eliminated. OTOH if computers a,b and c are all having the same issue then we can be pretty certain someone needs to file a report with Cakewalk on what's happening.
I know you guys have had real issues. If it were me and it wasn't hardware or software configuration then I would do the same thing and try to find a solution/work around. If I simply couldn't get the product to do what I needed it to do I would look for another product that did. I think in saying " it's working fine for me" we are saying that it can work correctly. We may not know why but we know it works for us.
I've done it. In the beginning it was meant as "it's working for me, as I use it". Then I got into "I tried to reproduce your scenario, and I could not... so it's working for me". Now I no longer (well hardly ever) say anything about how X2a works for me. What's the point? Back to the OP, yeah spacey, I believe that bugs may or may not affect everyone. And I believe that this may bue due in large part to what portions of the program each person uses and how they use it. That is not to take away from your situation where a particular 3rd part VSTi will not work for you. But spacey, send me your discs and auth codes and I'll try it on my system with X2a and report back. 
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craigb
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Re: Where were we?
2013/08/01 16:48:29
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If I'm running the same version, I definitely think it adds value to say if it's working fine for me. Of course, it's even better if I add in some details about what I'm using with it or what features I'm not using. In trying to resolve these types of issues, you need to eliminate things one by one until you find what may be causing the problem (having programmed for over 40 years, including several years of tech support, I'm brutally aware of this concept). Developers are usually screwed from the get-go in terms of financing, deadlines and the fact that it's virtually impossible for them to test the millions of different possible configurations and methods of use (this is why software gets released to the public early as a Beta Test).
Saying it works for YOU might not mean the software doesn't have a bug, but it may show that the bug only appears under certain conditions. Heck, the software may work fine for 999 people out of 1,000, but you can bet that you'll mostly be hearing from that 1 person it doesn't work for!
The trick is to find out what's different in their setup (Ohh... So you're using a SoundBlaster card, eh?) then you can debug the issue better.
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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