DaveMichel
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Where's the track phase reverse (polarity) button in SONAR Platinum?
I've just started using Platinum after being a loyal, curmudgeonly SONAR 7 user for many years. There is apparently no offline help for Platinum, and the online help says that there is a phase reverse button on each track - and that product help is for X2.
How do I reverse the track phase in Platinum?
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Re: Where's the track phase reverse (polarity) button in SONAR Platinum?
2017/03/26 02:38:15
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2017/03/28 13:04:13
It's shown on page 496 of the Reference Guide. It's a circle with a diagonal line through it in either Track Inspector or Console view.
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Re: Where's the track phase reverse (polarity) button in SONAR Platinum?
2017/03/26 02:48:56
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☄ Helpfulby Steve_Karl 2017/03/27 01:42:51
The Reference Guide pdf and chm local help files for Platinum are in the folder with the program, SONARPLT.exe. Make sure the SONAR Local Documentation package is installed. X2, X3 and the current SONAR documentation are available here. Note: the current help is above the X2 and X3 listings The current help for Track Inspectors may be found hereThe phase button is in the top row point to by E in the image below, second from the left. 
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Re: Where's the track phase reverse (polarity) button in SONAR Platinum?
2017/03/26 13:33:37
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As an electronics tech, I associate Polarity as + or - in Voltage. e.g +9VDC or -9VDC. I associate "phase" the way Sonar interprets it. e.g. "180 degrees out of phase" which is phase inversion.
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Re: Where's the track phase reverse (polarity) button in SONAR Platinum?
2017/03/26 14:00:54
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As firebird said, polarity, as taught in electronics classes, means voltage, not phasing. This is the way I was taught in college.
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Re: Where's the track phase reverse (polarity) button in SONAR Platinum?
2017/03/26 14:02:33
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^^^ Correct. "Polarity inversion" is the correct term to use when referring to microphone and speaker wiring, but "phase inversion" is the proper term for electronics and digital audio. That, btw, is why the the Greek letter phi (ϕ), the electrical and mathematical symbol for phase, is also the near-universal icon for this switch on both hardware and software mixers.
The confusion, I think, stems from the way the switch has traditionally been used to correct improperly-wired microphone cables or to invert their signals (e.g. top and bottom snare mikes). In this case, we're using phase inversion to effectively implement polarity inversion.
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Re: Where's the track phase reverse (polarity) button in SONAR Platinum?
2017/03/26 14:18:33
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Caa2
This is why I referred to the button by location in the Track Inspector instead of the image used on the button face. Edit: restored an image of Caa2 original post. For some reason this user likes to erase their posts.
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Re: Where's the track phase reverse (polarity) button in SONAR Platinum?
2017/03/26 15:32:03
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Because there are no real "language police" in the audio industry, I've seen both terms used (then again this is an industry that for a long time couldn't figure out which pin of an XLR had to be "hot"). Some people say "phase" isn't correct because phase relates to frequency, and flicking a switch doesn't have an inherent relationship to frequency even though it does reverse phase. Others say "polarity" is correct because positive-going signals become negative-going, and vice-versa.
Most people refer to this function as a "phase" switch, then someone corrects them and says it should be "polarity," and then everyone says "yeah whatever, but when you say phase people know what you're talking about." And that seems to be about the extent of the standarization.
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Re: Where's the track phase reverse (polarity) button in SONAR Platinum?
2017/03/26 17:00:31
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bitflipper
That, btw, is why the the Greek letter phi (ϕ), the electrical and mathematical symbol for phase, is also the near-universal icon for this switch on both hardware and software mixers.
So the real problem is that SONAR's phase inversion switch icon looks nothing like a Phi; the slash should really be vertical. No wonder the OP couldn't find it. 
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Re: Where's the track phase reverse (polarity) button in SONAR Platinum?
2017/03/26 17:12:51
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2017/03/26 23:54:41
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'Phase Shift' is commonly understood to mean a time shift. 'Phase Inversion' is commonly understood to mean a polarity reversal with no time shift.
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Re: Where's the track phase reverse (polarity) button in SONAR Platinum?
2017/03/26 17:56:53
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Ok, ok, ok, It's the button that when you put your mouse over it, you get a mouseover popup that says "Phase: (whatever state it's in)" such as "Phase: Normal" or "Phase: Inverted"
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Re: Where's the track phase reverse (polarity) button in SONAR Platinum?
2017/03/27 00:02:12
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It is impossible to null a non-symmetrical wave form with a shift in time (and how would the switch determine its frequency anyway?)... This is actually the design of all time-based delay effects (shifting the same wave form to the right/left on the x-axis).
The only way to null a signal by the introduction onto itself is by reversing the polarity (flipping the signal on the X-axis) with the same amplitude for both.
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Re: Where's the track phase reverse (polarity) button in SONAR Platinum?
2017/03/27 02:52:54
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☄ Helpfulby Anderton 2017/03/27 13:26:30
I do not think that folks are disputing the mislabeling. Phase inversion is really only applicable to "inversion of a symmetric periodic" waveform (as stated above), with the key terms being symmetric and periodic. A real-world application is in AC currents where these can lead to catastrophic damage to breakers by connecting AC buses out of phase (which goes way beyond simple inversion). In an audio realm, "symmetric and periodic" is pretty much N/A, but can be "simulated" via polarity inversion, which does not depends on the "symmetric and periodic" in any way.
In fact, if you *do* have a symmetric, periodic waveform (the only wave form you can easily phase invert anyway), phase inversion and polarity inversion are one and the same - polarity inversion is just a little broader, not dependent on signal, and super easy to accomplish. The application just has different meaning depending on the usage.
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Re: Where's the track phase reverse (polarity) button in SONAR Platinum?
2017/03/27 10:29:37
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The OP's first post: Hey does anyone know where the phase button is ? Our response: m1 and m2 , the equation is: where G is the gravitational constant (6.67E-11 m3 s-2 kg-1), r is the distance between the two objects, and F is the magnitude of the force between the objects. 
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Re: Where's the track phase reverse (polarity) button in SONAR Platinum?
2017/03/27 16:47:04
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Thanks, everybody, for the fun discussion. SONAR 7 had the polarity button (that's how I'll refer to it) on each track. Platinum now has it in the Inspectors. Now we can discuss meter weighting (on another thread)?  Dave
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Re: Where's the track phase reverse (polarity) button in SONAR Platinum?
2017/03/27 22:22:57
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☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2017/03/28 12:19:27
You must have the tracks narrowed.
In the console menus select Strips >Widen all strips and you'll find each channel has its own Phase button
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Re: Where's the track phase reverse (polarity) button in SONAR Platinum?
2017/03/28 12:15:04
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The OP's first post: Hey does anyone know where the phase button is ?
Our response: m1 and m2 , the equation is: where G is the gravitational constant (6.67E-11 m3 s-2 kg-1), r is the distance between the two objects, and F is the magnitude of the force between the objects.
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Re: Where's the track phase reverse (polarity) button in SONAR Platinum?
2017/03/28 12:24:23
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chuckebaby
The OP's first post: Hey does anyone know where the phase button is ?
Our response: m1 and m2 , the equation is: where G is the gravitational constant (6.67E-11 m3 s-2 kg-1), r is the distance between the two objects, and F is the magnitude of the force between the objects.
Best post of the day, Chuck.
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