Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer?

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Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer?

Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for running X2 Producer? Is there any reason to get anything more than Windows Home Premium? Thanks, Jonathan
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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/27 18:58:47 (permalink)
    I recommend Windows 8 Pro.

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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/27 19:02:23 (permalink)
    Win 7 Home Premium is fine unless you are going to need access to more than 16GB of RAM. If you are going to need more that 16GB use Win7 Profession.
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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/27 21:43:34 (permalink)
    John, What's the advantage of Windows 8 over 7? Does Windows 8 require more horsepower? This machine has a Core2Quad Q6600 CPU which is five years old, and I'm not sure if it's fast enough to run Windows 8. Thanks, Jonathan
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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/27 22:31:05 (permalink)
    Well I have the same thing. I came to Windows 8 from Vista. I noticed a much faster response and a nicer UI. It takes a little getting use to but its worth it. 

    My view is it is an optimized version of Vista and Windows 7. MS learned how to make its OS better. The NT core is 6.1 for Vista 6.2 for Win 7 and 6.3 for Win 8.

    I still have Vista on another HD and can boot it at any time yet I have not done that.  

    To me Windows 7 is an option for those that are too timid to move to 8. There is no reason to avoid Windows 8. 

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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/27 22:48:25 (permalink)
    You might want to give some thought to anything you want to use the computer for other than just Sonar X2.

    Since you're thinking about upgrading an "older" machine, look at your existing hardware and make sure you can get OS-specific drivers for any hardware you plan to keep.

    Same goes for "older" apps - if you're seriously planning on upgrading to Windows 8, make sure any software package you plan to keep will run correctly under Windows 8 (Sonar X2 aside, a program running correctly on Windows 7 is no guarantee it will run correctly on Windows 8 ~ check the Microsoft compatibility web site to be sure).

    Purchasing Windows 8 will be cheaper than Windows 7, but taking care of the rest could turn out to be MORE expensive if you have hardware and software compatibility issues and have to unexpectedly replace more than just the OS.

    FWIW, a lot of folks here (myself included) are running X2A on "older" machines with Windows 7 Pro 64-bit and 8+ GB RAM, and aren't having any issues.  You could always start out that route, and add a dual-boot partition to run Windows 8 at a later date (that's my plan...)

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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/27 23:04:04 (permalink)
    Win 7 Pro is best for most IMO.

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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/27 23:44:17 (permalink)
    Even with XP I had to re-install it occasionally. I've been using the same Win 7 install for years now. What a great OS. They say Win 8 is better and needs less horspower giving it more horsepower. I say go Win 8.

    I'm kicking myself for not doing the cheap upgrade to Win 8.

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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/27 23:57:25 (permalink)
    hockeyjx


    Win 7 Pro is best for most IMO.


    Why?

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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 06:37:32 (permalink)
      How much of a learning curve is there from Windows 7 to Windows 8?
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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 09:05:57 (permalink)
    They are the same OS in many ways. I came from Vista and didn't have any problems adapting to Windows 8. I did get a Kindle book "Windows 8 Inside out" that explained most of the things I wanted know. For the Windows user it should feel familiar. It is not radically different. The Start Screen may work for you or not but it is a nice way to access programs. I bypass it with an add on free start menu called Classic Start Menu that lets you work the way we did with previous versions. But don't think that the Start Screen is something to be avoided. Its not. I just prefer working this way. 


    With Windows 8 you also get the ability to run "metro" apps. 

    What Windows 8 offers the DAW user is a more efficient OS with better audio handling and improvements in nearly every area. 

    Its just a better OS.

       
     

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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 09:22:43 (permalink)
    John


    They are the same OS in many ways. I came from Vista and didn't have any problems adapting to Windows 8. I did get a Kindle book "Windows 8 Inside out" that explained most of the things I wanted know. For the Windows user it should feel familiar. It is not radically different. The Start Screen may work for you or not but it is a nice way to access programs. I bypass it with an add on free start menu called Classic Start Menu that lets you work the way we did with previous versions. But don't think that the Start Screen is something to be avoided. Its not. I just prefer working this way. 


    With Windows 8 you also get the ability to run "metro" apps. 

    What Windows 8 offers the DAW user is a more efficient OS with better audio handling and improvements in nearly every area. 

    Its just a better OS.

     


    I agree with John and he is correct!
    There are no drawbacks about Windows 8 x64 only benefit when it comes to performance and security reasons.
    I'm personal still on Windows 7 x64bit Ultimate and it works perfect with SONAR X2. If I build a new computer today I would Install Windows 8 x64.
    It seem that any "program" that work in Windows 7 will automatically work in Windows 8. Even XP program works. 
     
     
    It seem that even Windows 7 drivers work but that can be tricky though.
    There are possibility that Soundcard drivers and other hardware doesn't work in Windows 8 still if it run and work perfect in Windows 7. So you need to check your hardware and drivers are supported and work in Windows 8 too. 9 of 10 it will!
     
    Programs like SONAR X2, Cubase 7, Spectrasonics, Native Instruments, Nomad Factory, Waves, iZotope, EastWest, Vienna and many other have Windows 8 work and are support already.
     
     
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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 09:30:32 (permalink)
    Freddie H :

    "There are no drawbacks about Windows 8 x64 only benefit when it comes to performance and security reasons. "

    I call win8 being ugly a drawback. It looks like some sort of toy in a daycare center. Main reason I didn't go with it on my new system.
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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 09:38:37 (permalink)
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    Freddie H :

    "There are no drawbacks about Windows 8 x64 only benefit when it comes to performance and security reasons. "

    I call win8 being ugly a drawback. It looks like some sort of toy in a daycare center. Main reason I didn't go with it on my new system.

    ok.. I like the "up to date" look.
    Perhaps you are confused about "METRO" look? There are normal desktop view too like Windows 7.
    Here is tutorial with a young man about Windows 8 BETA.
     
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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 11:54:31 (permalink)
    If your computer is not custom built and came with a OME Windows version, check with your computer vendors web site. For my ASUS netbook they offer an upgrade to W-8 basic version for only $30. It also has a utility you download and runs a compatibility check. It only rejected Wave Lab 5 and Office 2003. I was suprised that I could jump from XP to W8 that easily.  They don't even offer W7 anymore.  

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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 12:12:35 (permalink)
    Yeah, I think a lot of people get confused about Windows 8 from watching all of the TV commercials that highlight the Start Screen/Metro. MS probably thought they'd pick up more new users by marketing Win8 that way, but they're also most likely losing a lot of upgraders because people don't realize the Start Screen is just a replacement for the Start Menu that lets you run lightweight Apps there too if you want. But you can pretty much avoid ever using the Start Screen. I really only use it for search (which is really quick). I have some tiles set up for my desktop applications, but I rarely use them because I have everything pinned to the desktop taskbar just like I always have.

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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 12:30:36 (permalink)
    For those who don't use Win8's new Metro UI - do you all have a third party add-on, providing the traditional start button and desktop by default as John does?  Or do you boot into the Metro UI, then click on desktop to get there? 

    While stability has been with Win8 on my regular / non-DAW PC, I never use the Metro UI .  I could see how it would be attractive for touch screen capable PCs, but for me, it's a complete, ugly, waste - as I don't use any Metro apps and don't have a touch screen. 
    Sounds like I should look into the third party addons to restore the regular desktop and start button by default.

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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 12:32:34 (permalink)
    You'll still be stuck with the ugly windows :-)
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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 12:58:26 (permalink)
    John,

    1) Not all companies have updated their drivers/programs for WIN8. 

    2) I ALWAYS wait until the first Service Pack with Microsoft. Just like the smarter folks wait until the first patch from the bakers 


    3) Win7 Pro is just rock solid, which links back to points 1 & 2.


    4) The Pro version is the best version to get because it gives you all the access you want and need without the fluff from Ultimate.

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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 16:24:23 (permalink)
    "You'll still be stuck with the ugly windows :-)"

    One of the confused people. ;-)

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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 16:46:05 (permalink)
    hockeyjx


    John,

    1) Not all companies have updated their drivers/programs for WIN8. 

    2) I ALWAYS wait until the first Service Pack with Microsoft. Just like the smarter folks wait until the first patch from the bakers 


    3) Win7 Pro is just rock solid, which links back to points 1 & 2.


    4) The Pro version is the best version to get because it gives you all the access you want and need without the fluff from Ultimate.


      Some have not updated their drivers for Win 7. This is not the problem it may seem to be at first glance, 

    Waiting for a patch is a wise ided but how do you know that there will be one?

    Vista is rock solid for me too. So what. Windows 8 is also rock solid.

    Windows 8 Pro is the only version one would use for an Intel or AMD desktop.



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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 18:07:31 (permalink)

    There is no reason to avoid Windows 8. 



    Not for using Sonar probably, assuming your collection of plugs etc. will authorize and run on Win8. On a DAW I usually only have a couple of applications open and running at a time, and windows 8 is fine for that. I assume there has been improvement in the code, but the experience on audio applications is not uniformly positive.


    On a work machine, however,  I typically have a dozen open apps with several windows in each, and the Windows 7 user interface was the best MS has come up with for that kind of work. That fine multitasking environment has been abandoned in favor of longer battery life and the hope of training the masses to quit their keyboards and love Microsoft's new machines. Whatever under the hood advances have been made in Win8 are totally lost on office applications etc., but so were those in Vista and Win 7. 


    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-experience.aspx

    post edited by slartabartfast - 2013/02/28 18:14:08
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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 18:24:45 (permalink)
    My only REAL issue with Win 8 so far has been the Roland Quad Capture Win 8 Driver...

    NONE of my IK Stand Alone programs recognize it...

    However, ALL my other stand alones and DAW's recognize it just fine...

    Might be an IK Coding problem....which is probably more likely...

    Other then that...it's great....


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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 19:16:08 (permalink)
    What about Win 8 and the "no legacy drivers for firewire" issue? When would that possibly be corrected? If ever? Until then, how could Win 8 possibly be considered a positive OS for a DAW? Granted, many people don't use firewire, but a LOT of people still use firewire.

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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 19:28:01 (permalink)
    CL2Zero


    What about Win 8 and the "no legacy drivers for firewire" issue? When would that possibly be corrected? If ever? Until then, how could Win 8 possibly be considered a positive OS for a DAW? Granted, many people don't use firewire, but a LOT of people still use firewire.


    I am unaware that Windows 8 will not recognize a firewire controller. It does on my machine. It is listed as a IEEE 1394 host controller. I checked here Firewire and it seems Windows 8 does indeed support firewire. 

    You will need Windows 8 drivers for the audio device though. You may be able to use Windows 7 drivers.



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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 19:33:27 (permalink)
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    There is no reason to avoid Windows 8. 



    Not for using Sonar probably, assuming your collection of plugs etc. will authorize and run on Win8. On a DAW I usually only have a couple of applications open and running at a time, and windows 8 is fine for that. I assume there has been improvement in the code, but the experience on audio applications is not uniformly positive.


    On a work machine, however,  I typically have a dozen open apps with several windows in each, and the Windows 7 user interface was the best MS has come up with for that kind of work. That fine multitasking environment has been abandoned in favor of longer battery life and the hope of training the masses to quit their keyboards and love Microsoft's new machines. Whatever under the hood advances have been made in Win8 are totally lost on office applications etc., but so were those in Vista and Win 7. 


    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-experience.aspx

      I don't know how one can make this leap in reasoning when you have the very same ability to turn off anything you don't want in Windows 8 as one did in both Vista and Win 7.   

    The ability to multi task has been enhanced in Win 8. It also works better with multi monitors too.

      Windows 8 is a multi tasking OS just as Windows 7 was. If you think that win 8 is only the start screen and can only use metro apps you are completely wrong. 

    I don't even see the start screen. I boot directly to the desktop. 
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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 19:47:50 (permalink)
    If I were upgrading my OS and the drivers I need (mostly just my sound card) were certified as compatible there is no way that I would not go with Win 8.

    OP: I opted for Win 7 Pro a couple years back because I wanted to be able to have access to > 16G ram and Pro gives you the ability to log onto a Windows Domain network.

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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 21:17:28 (permalink)
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    What about Win 8 and the "no legacy drivers for firewire" issue? When would that possibly be corrected? If ever? Until then, how could Win 8 possibly be considered a positive OS for a DAW? Granted, many people don't use firewire, but a LOT of people still use firewire.

    I remember reading about that during the Win8 beta and wondering if I'd have any problems with the release version. It turned out I was able to use my Win7 Echo Audiofire driver with no problems. Echo released a Win8 driver about a month ago, and performance is pretty much identical with that one. They've always written great drivers, though. I've never had a problem in the three operating systems I've used it with.

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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/02/28 23:49:17 (permalink)
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    Freddie H :

    "There are no drawbacks about Windows 8 x64 only benefit when it comes to performance and security reasons. "

    I call win8 being ugly a drawback. It looks like some sort of toy in a daycare center. Main reason I didn't go with it on my new system.

    ok.. I like the "up to date" look.
    Perhaps you are confused about "METRO" look? There are normal desktop view too like Windows 7.
    Here is tutorial with a young man about Windows 8 BETA.
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJxImQXRhps

    Worst tutorial EVER!!! 
    I got about 3 min in and wanted to put a bullet in my head.


    Out of all the videos what in God's name made you pick that one?
    I was actually yelling at the kid to get on with it already.


    Simply painful...... Why would you do that to us Freddy, why??? 






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    Re:Which 64 bit version of Windows 7 do you recommend for X2 Producer? 2013/03/01 02:24:01 (permalink)
    Some have had (boot) problems with upgrades from Win 7 to Win 8 that involve the UEFI bios option...make sure to read upgrade instructions carefully.

    You're in an amazing state.

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