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2008/05/18 10:37:32 (permalink)

Which Asus is the best?

Hello,

Which Asus board is the best mother board to build a daw with the newer processors? I'm planning on getting this Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Processor BX80569Q9450 - 2.66GHz, 12MB Cache, 1333MHz FSB. And should I switch to SATA drives or can I use the IDE 7200 drives I already have? Thanks for your help.

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/18 10:52:40 (permalink)
    And should I switch to SATA drives or can I use the IDE 7200 drives I already have?
    You will either have to switch to SATA or fit an ATA PCI Interface for your old drives. The New Boards only have 1 ATA socket for CD-ROMS/DVD Writers. IF you have SATA DVD writers then you can use the two ATA channels for Hard drives of course.

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/18 10:57:12 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Desperate Dan

    And should I switch to SATA drives or can I use the IDE 7200 drives I already have?
    You will either have to switch to SATA or fit an ATA PCI Interface for your old drives. The New Boards only have 1 ATA socket for CD-ROMS/DVD Writers. IF you have SATA DVD writers then you can use the two ATA channels for Hard drives of course.



    Hello,

    yes I'm seeing this on Asus as I'm looking through the boards. I'm also going to go with DDR3, and I want to use the highest buss speeds that I can with everything. I wish there was a explanation table for all the letters in the motherboard model numbers. Thanks for your help.

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/18 11:15:52 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Rockitglider

    Hello,

    Which Asus board is the best mother board to build a daw with the newer processors? I'm planning on getting this Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Processor BX80569Q9450 - 2.66GHz, 12MB Cache, 1333MHz FSB. And should I switch to SATA drives or can I use the IDE 7200 drives I already have? Thanks for your help.

    Rockit


    Sorry to throw in another option if you have already decided on the motherboard brand. But I recently built my DAW( Q9450 ) and I went with ABitI P35 Pro...very happy with it....Absolutely no issues...and very stable.

    FWIW, I have gone with an all sata setup...no particular reasons, and also i did not have any existing drives that I could reuse...
    I bought new drives because of $/space ratio has gotten so good lately (and will keep getting better), ..in my case, for around $450 I got 2.25 TB space (750 GB x 3)..

    HTH...

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/18 11:30:15 (permalink)
    Hello agai
    ABitI P35 Pro
    n,

    No I'm not 100% decided on the brand I just figured it was a good place to start seeing alot of people use them. But any suggestions are good for me I'll do some research on each one and decide by the numbers (Specs) Thanks,

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/18 11:55:18 (permalink)
    Hello,

    Looks like the P5E or P5E3 with the X38 chipset is a good choice, Is anyone using this board? looks like 1333 buss speed would work on this board for the CPU and DDR3 Memory. Thanks again,

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/18 14:11:14 (permalink)
    Which Asus board is the best mother board to build a daw with the newer processors?


    FWIW, I wouldn't get too caught up with a single brand.
    Sure... Asus has a great reputation...
    But IMO, there are better P35 chipset and X38 chipset motherboards than what Asus is currently offering.

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/18 16:12:06 (permalink)
    I had a bad experience with an Asus board and I'd never buy another one. It was too static sensitive. I hot plugged in a USB cable and it killed the ethernet port on the motherboard. They replaced it, but it wasn't too long before that one got fried too. Poor design. I have an XFX motherboard now.
    post edited by daveny5 - 2008/05/18 16:31:50

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/18 16:32:28 (permalink)
    For what it's worth, I just rebuilt my DAW with a Q9450 and an ASUS P5K-E. I went with the P35 and DDR2-1066 because it saved a ton of money, and everything I've read indicates that while DDR3 has some performance benefits, you'd be better off spending the extra $400 or so going with the Q9550.

    I literally just built my new system yesterday, and right now I have a rock solid overclock at 3.4ghz. On the current project I'm working on, my old 4800X2 required me to freeze every one of the 10 synth and audio tracks to work on mix production. This new system lets me do the same without a single frozen track. I am very, very happy with it.

    I don't think you'll see major performance differences between SATA and IDE drives at 7200RPM. Going to 10K RPM drives would be a much more significant boost, but probably overkill unless you're having disk latency dropouts. Even then, more RAM and larger caches might be a more graceful solution.
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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/18 16:35:31 (permalink)
    hi i have the P5K-E board i think it`s great as for the ethernet port being killed that `s a good thing for a DAW so that it never sees the internet. anyway you can still hook up ide on new boards most of them still allow one ide cable which you can either hook up your old optical drive and old hard drive too or two hard drives the P5K-E also has 6 internal hookups for sata an two external. DDR2 8ooMHz is all you need for ram . also make sure the case you buy has at least a 500w power supply (ANTEC SONATA is a very quiet case even with the fan on full power) the P5K-E can handle up to 8Gb of ram if you run a 64bit OS and 4Gb of ram on a 32bit OS


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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/18 20:35:27 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Desperate Dan

    You will either have to switch to SATA or fit an ATA PCI Interface for your old drives. The New Boards only have 1 ATA socket for CD-ROMS/DVD Writers. IF you have SATA DVD writers then you can use the two ATA channels for Hard drives of course.

    I can't make sense of this.
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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/18 21:51:09 (permalink)
    RockitGlider,
    I just built my first system, I used the ASUS P5KC (Google it for specs!).

    I fired her up today and all is working with default settings. I installed 4GB of ram and see 3.25GB which is good enough for me ;) I stuffed it into a NORCO 4U rackmount box.

    I have had all previous systems built with ASUS boards and so that was why I used ASUS. BTW, just for giggles, I ran DPC checker and she runs nearly flat line!

    I am very happy with ASUS.

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/18 23:44:44 (permalink)
    I've never used anything but ASUS motherboards (and Intel CPUs and chipsets) for my personal DAWs and scores of others for clients. Not one single complaint. Not one single failure. No DPC issues. I know others have reported problems with ASUS, so I consider myself lucky.

    However, ASUS has been perfect for me and my clients for many years now, so I've never had a reason or need to try another brand, but I'm sure there are some worthy alternatives -- Gigabyte, Abit, Intel are often mentioned on this forum and used by other DAW builders.

    More importantly, the specific motherboard model number and BIOS revision is what you need to pay close attention to. No one can or should make blanket statements about an entire brand, as the DAW performance can vary quite a bit among different models within a brand, or even within different BIOS revisions of the same model -- so do your homework. Word to the wise: the latest BIOS revision of a motherboard isn't always the best suited for DAW use.

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/19 00:17:40 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: daveny5

    I had a bad experience with an Asus board and I'd never buy another one. It was too static sensitive. I hot plugged in a USB cable and it killed the ethernet port on the motherboard. They replaced it, but it wasn't too long before that one got fried too. Poor design. I have an XFX motherboard now.

    likewise-I accidentally pulled out the keyboard connector and it killed both the kybd connector and the ps2 - had to add a root hub and buy a usb kybd
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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/19 03:31:36 (permalink)
    I'm using the P5B-E and it's okay- problems with motherboard temperature setting off alarms at a low threshold, that's all. However, with SATA drives make sure you get GOOD cables. SATA connections are notorious for working loose.

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/19 10:11:39 (permalink)
    I too had some sort of problem with a USB port resetting or in one case when I turned the machine off restarting the computer

    I can't use that port now - bought a hub & work around it

    Seems ASUS has a problem in this area

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/19 10:21:00 (permalink)
    I built my quad-core system with an ASUS P5K-E motherboard. Extremely happy with it - no glitches at all.

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/19 11:15:39 (permalink)
    Hello again,

    Wow I really don't like the sound of these things burning or shorting out (PS2 & USB) I've been using Gigabyte for the past 8 years or so, and havent really had any problems. I think I'll keep looking around for more choices but thanks to you all for the suggestions. Another friend said He likes the Nvidia motherboards, He's a gamer though, has anyone had any experience with these? Thanks again,

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/19 11:47:18 (permalink)
    dont waste your money on DDR3 unless you are a very heavy sample user

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/19 11:51:42 (permalink)
    i can say 1 thing gamer boards are too much about the graphics i stay away from that the P5K-E WAS built with sound an high def sound in mind that`s why in most new Pre-built DAW`s it`s an ASUS board P5K series check out http://www.sweetwater.com/creation_station/


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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/19 13:13:48 (permalink)
    LOL

    most new Pre-built DAW

    most builders know enough to not touch Asus!
    of the "DAW builders"
    i think only 2 use asus.
    of that 2 only 1 is worth a hoot. (got a feeling he's not using to many Asus lately)
    what do you say Jim?

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/19 13:43:46 (permalink)
    I've sworn off Asus too...one board mysteriously died on me and refused to post, and recently, I built a quad-core system with an Asus board and every few days I'd power up and the bios would be corrupted and the post screen asked for the Asus CD so it could reflash it...after a while it stopped even doing that and refused to post anything. I replaced it with an EVGA 780i triple SLI board (yeah, I'm a gamer too) and it has been rock solid for several months now. Sonar4 takes everything I throw at it like it's nothing too (finally).
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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/19 13:53:09 (permalink)
    i guess the best person to ask would be SCOTT GARRIGUS since he wrote the book on SONAR and uses a CREATION STATION with an ASUS motherboard and raves about it .


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    666

    So if JESUS rose from the DEAD
    Does that mean he`s the ORIGINAL ZOMBIE?
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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/19 14:17:39 (permalink)
    I'm using an ASUS P5N-E SLI and it works fine with an EDIROL FA-66 (on an addon TI chipset firewire card however). I can go as low as 1,5 ms of latency without a glitch...

    It's my first ASUS and I like it so far. It's not even a chipset (NVidia 650 SLI) that DAW builders recommend but hey, it works fine.

    About the stories of ASUS board dying (or misbehaving), my latest board was a Gigabyte K8U-939 and it just burned (yes, all the area under the CPU socket fried...). So, in the end (and in my opinion) there's bad stories about any brand!
    post edited by Patrice Brousseau - 2008/05/19 14:37:44

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/19 14:22:29 (permalink)
    what do you say Jim?



    I don't blanketly limit myself to a single brand. (Things change rapidly in the hardware realm. One year, a company may have a mediocre product... the next year they can have the top unit.)
    I'll test numerous brands/models... and use whatever I think is the best motherboard/etc at that point in time.
    Right now, I think there are better P35 and X38 chipset motherboards from other vendors.

    As a side note:
    None of the motherboard manufacturers will ever release a motherboard specifically designed to be used in a Pro level DAW. We're FAR too small of a market share
    When their advertising/promotions talk about audio-specific features, they're talking about the typical home user playing games, listening to MP3s, or perhaps the home theater setup... not studio DAWs.

    The "best" DAW motherboard is the perfect balance of:
    - Quality Components
    - Features (ie: TI chipset Firewire)
    - Silent/Robust cooling
    - Cost

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/19 14:58:45 (permalink)
    I think it's kind of silly to get wrapped up in brand partisanship -- motherboards are both very complex and really not all that different from each other. Pick any brand, and with a large enough sample size (like, say, Internet forums) you'll have no trouble finding someone who had a bad experience.

    That said, most motherboards are essentially implementations of reference specs from the chipset manufacturer, with maybe some minor tweaks like adding extra SATA ports or different power implementations. Do look for high quality components (polymer capacitors, multiphase power, etc), but don't think that buying brand X is going to necessarily be a great decision or a mistake. To trot out the dreaded car metaphor, both Honda and Toyota make quality cars, but any particular car from either manufacturer could have a problem. Buy what suits your needs from any of the major manufacturers and you'll be fine.

    I can emphasize that the q9450 is a great choice -- mine, at least, is rock solid at 3.5ghz now (I use water cooling for performance and less noise), and I couldn't be happier with the DAW build. The chips are a little hard to find right now, so be aware that the Xeon x3350 is the same chip with different branding, and sometimes easier to find in stock at retailers.
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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/19 17:00:12 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: alkie

    i guess the best person to ask would be SCOTT GARRIGUS since he wrote the book on SONAR and uses a CREATION STATION with an ASUS motherboard and raves about it .



    thats just hilarious.

    Scott writes books on sonar that does not mean he has a clue about computers or he would have built it himself.

    Sweetwater GAVE him the creation station so he would rave about it.

    need to know how some companies play the game.


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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/19 17:01:50 (permalink)
    spot on Jim!

    and i have to agree with Patrice.

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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/19 17:39:15 (permalink)
    I built a DAW a few months ago with a P5K-Deluxe. It is excellent. It's always weird that on this board you will find people who will completely trash some specific brand or product, when there are multitudes of people using it with no problems. It makes you wonder if those people are just ignorant, and think because they personally had some problem that the whole world revolves around them. There is one legitimate drawback about ASUS: they're a foreign company, and tech support can be tricky. Most of their boards get high ratings overall though, from users and reviewers. The only way to make a rational decision is to try to read as much as you can and make a calculation about the overall picture. You're always going to find wingnuts spewing BS on the internet. It's unavoidable. In other words, don't believe everything you read. Instead, try to read as much as you can and figure out some kind of "average" of the information that will point you in the right direction.

    One very satisfied ASUS user here.
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    RE: Which Asus is the best? 2008/05/19 18:38:34 (permalink)
    I have used ASUS, and am currently using Gigabyte with the P35 chip. No problems.
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