Which Card is Best???

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Which Card is Best???

i have an Intel Core 2 quad with Vista Home Premium and sonar 7 producer editon. My music career is taking off, and I want to know what sound card would work best with my computer. I feel ****ed asking this. But Right now I have a sigma tel HD, and when I record in stereo only one side records. I was just wondering if anyone else had this problem. I appreciate any advice anyone can give..Thanks!

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    EgM
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/13 23:39:02 (permalink)
    Any soundcard would be better than any onboard sound device like your Sigmatel. It's only recording one side because the onboard device mic input is mono, if you use the line input with a stereo 1/8 connector it'll record in stereo. M-Audio makes decent starter cards, I guess it depends on what you're intending to record - if you plan on recording with mics, get a soundcard with mic preamps.

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    Philip
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/14 00:26:31 (permalink)
    All the $100 cards are excellent (Echo, M-Audio, etc.) and are similarly designed.

    The $1000 cards (interfaces): (RME-ff-400, Lynx, etc.) are 'noticeably better' (firewire) and allow more inputs, phantom power ($$) (for wholesome mics), etc.

    I have an RME-FF-400 ($1000) which has slightly fewer crashes than the ($100) Echo MiaMIDI (IMHO). But it contains excellent pre-Amp power and Phantom Power ... and excellent DA and AD converters.

    If you have vocal recordings you really need to consider getting a $1000 interface because of this pre-Amp flexibility for mics.

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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/14 00:39:19 (permalink)
    Good question, with a complicated answer :-)

    This comes up a lot, so I've compiled some info at http://flyoverland.net/studio/card.html
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/14 00:50:51 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Philip

    I have an RME-FF-400 ($1000) which has slightly fewer crashes than the ($100) Echo MiaMIDI (IMHO). But it contains excellent pre-Amp power and Phantom Power ... and excellent DA and AD converters.




    You must be having some type of conflict in your DAW. I think I only had one crash when Sonar 7 first came out, so I reformated my system and haven't experience one ever since.

    But, to keep on subject, the choice of an audio interface depends on various factors including budget and I/O needs. It's important to know this first.
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/14 00:55:09 (permalink)
    Great info! FYI...you might also consider an old favorite of mine, the Frontier Dakota. If you want a simple dig only card, this thing is amazing...rock solid. I have a Lynx2, FF400, and several other cards. I think Frontier has their act together as far as drivers. I'm able to get half the latency on the Dakota compared to the Lynx and RME cards. I found out at NAMM that Frontier writes a lot of the drivers for other manufacturers.

    I use external converters, so the Dakota crappy audio is not an issue :) On the other hand, the Lynx converters are second to none
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/14 01:09:10 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: kingo

    I think Frontier has their act together as far as drivers. I'm able to get half the latency on the Dakota compared to the Lynx and RME cards.




    Really!? I know that Frontier Design Group writes awesome drivers but I'm a little skeptical about this statement considering that you are comparing it to Lynx and RME drivers. Were you using the same sampling rate and machine on all three? How about roundtrip latency test (CEntrance), did you perform one?
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/14 01:23:02 (permalink)
    Jose,
    No I haven't run Latency Checker yet...been busy composing.
    I swaped out my Lynx2 for the old Dakota card today. The system's a tricked out Quad extreme. On a large project, I could maybe, sorta, squeeze out 256 with the Lynx2. The Dakota is flying at 128 with the same system, same project. I did run it a 64, but had to back it off a bit. The RME and the Lynx seem on a par, except for the firewire latency.

    Not scientific, just observations.
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/14 01:25:26 (permalink)
    Jose,
    Playing guitar through headphones is a pretty reliable latency checker :)
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/14 01:29:32 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Jose7822


    ORIGINAL: Philip

    I have an RME-FF-400 ($1000) which has slightly fewer crashes than the ($100) Echo MiaMIDI (IMHO). But it contains excellent pre-Amp power and Phantom Power ... and excellent DA and AD converters.




    You must be having some type of conflict in your DAW. I think I only had one crash when Sonar 7 first came out, so I reformated my system and haven't experience one ever since.

    (Off-Topic:)
    Jose, You re-formatted your system? (not the hard drive I hope) I probably need to de-frag and/or adjust various settings. I'm not sure what you mean by re-formatting.

    Not-withstanding; I have 2 power-DAW's (one is brand new) ... that I swap the RME-FF-400 with. I have occasional crashes on both (not BSODs) ... of course neither of my systems probably are ideally optimized for DAWs as they should be.

    (On-Topic:)
    I think the Op will much appreciate 'later' if he 'pays' somewhat for a versatile card 'now' ... and/or steers clear from Sound-blaster-compatibles.
    post edited by Philip - 2008/02/14 01:50:27

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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/14 01:41:57 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: kingo

    Jose,
    Playing guitar through headphones is a pretty reliable latency checker :)
    Eddie



    Yes it is . From what you're saying, the Dakota seems to be a hell of a trooper to beat RME and Lynx (at least as far as handling audio buffers goes). Good for them!
    post edited by Jose7822 - 2008/02/14 01:58:21
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/14 01:52:01 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Philip

    (Off-Topic:)
    Jose, You re-formatted your system? (not the hard drive I hope) I probably need to de-frag and/or adjust various settings. I'm not sure what you mean by re-formatting.




    I mean I installed a fresh copy of Win XP 32 bit and installed everything from scratch (except my Audio and Sample drives of course).



    Not-withstanding; I have 2 power-DAW's (one is brand new) ... that I swap the RME-FF-400 with. I have occasional crashes on both (not BSODs) ... of course neither of my systems probably are ideally optimized for DAWs as they should be.




    Yeap, you definitely have some sort of conflict going on in there. It could be a ton of things not excluding Antivirus software, Spyware software, driver issues, lack of OS optimizations in general, etc. A DAW is a delicate system and everything should be kept to a minimum (that's if you want real stability obviously). The leaner the better.


    Take care!
    post edited by Jose7822 - 2008/02/14 02:08:24
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/14 04:38:11 (permalink)
    Hi, i have a DELTA 44 rom m-audio, you can get wrong with that!
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/14 23:34:36 (permalink)
    Thanks everyone! I really appreciate your info. I hate going to a guitar center or something similar asking questions because I know I'm not going to get a straight forward answer. For those of you who were wondering I use Mackie mic pre-amps, but I would like a card with plenty inputs. One goal of mine is to set up mics for drum recording. I also want to record live shows and compile our better stuff...plus, I can tell who's slacking off, lol! It can only make us better. If anyone would like to share their music, I'll be glad to share mine. I'm all about hearing other peoples material.

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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/14 23:38:45 (permalink)
    What's your budget though?
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/15 22:22:41 (permalink)
    500-1000
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/15 22:41:37 (permalink)

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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/15 22:46:34 (permalink)
    If I was looking toward M-Audio..what would you guys suggest?
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/15 22:48:35 (permalink)
    Well, with that budget I can't resist but to suggest you take a look at the RME FireFace 400:

    http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_fireface_400.php


    It has 8 analog I/O and 1 digital I/O to where you could connect another 8 inputs @ 44.1 KHz if your Mackie pres have digital outs. That would give you a total of 16 inputs. It has two built-in pres though, but they'll do the job. There's also a FireFace 800 which has even more inputs but also costs more and has 4 built-in preamps. Both of these are Firewire interfaces so they'll enable you to be mobile if you have a laptop. These are top of the line FW units with great converters, sound quality, jitter suppression technology, stable drivers, you name it. Highly recommended!


    HTH
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/15 22:58:14 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: boomersoonerman

    If I was looking toward M-Audio..what would you guys suggest?



    I would still suggest the Fireface units . Seriously though, the M-Audio Delta's would probably be good enough for your needs but, coming from a Delta 44 myself, they don't compare to the RME units in any way. Plus they're PCI interfaces so you won't be able to move around. Yeah, they have the ProFire 2626, but I can't recommend something I haven't even heard of. Plus it has 8 preamps and you already have that and of better quality. It's your call though, but I think you'll be missing on a top quality product.


    Good Luck!
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/15 22:59:51 (permalink)
    I would say stay away from any M audio products


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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/15 23:33:18 (permalink)
    why is that?
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/16 00:38:01 (permalink)
    what about a MOTU Ultralite?
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/16 03:00:03 (permalink)
    The Ultralite is another good choice. I can recommend that one too .
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/16 05:15:13 (permalink)
    I would say stay away from any M audio products

    Why would that be ??, I assume you've had a bad experience ??

    M-Audio is still a good product if you are comparing Apples with Apples. I Have an RME Fireface 800 but if I couldn't afford it I probably would have gone for a Firewire 410 From M-Audio or even an Audiophile 192. The Failure rate of M-Audio is pretty good, their drivers used to be the best written around but I agree that's changed slightly with their incorporation into Avid.
    post edited by Desperate Dan - 2008/02/16 05:31:22

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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/16 06:40:19 (permalink)
    May I recommend the Focusrite Saffire line? Don't think I've heard of anyone on this forum having problems with them. They are far cheaper than RME or MOTU and still offer up to 8 mic preamps (Saffire Pro) ADAT and Wordclock i/o (Saffire Pro 26 i/o). Presonus is their closest competitor, offering almost identically featured products, but seem to be issue-riddled, at least inside SONAR.

    I got my Saffire Pro 10 i/o in January and have been thrilled with it! Latency performance has been great (almost up to RME/MOTU standards), and stability has been excellent! My only grief is that the pres are a bit too hot, delivering +12 dB of gain on minimum input level, and the inputs lack a pad switch (present on the 26 i/o) so having pad switches on the mics is a must for drum/percussion recording.

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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/16 08:43:23 (permalink)
    Great info! FYI...you might also consider an old favorite of mine, the Frontier Dakota. If you want a simple dig only card, this thing is amazing...rock solid. I have a Lynx2, FF400, and several other cards. I think Frontier has their act together as far as drivers. I'm able to get half the latency on the Dakota compared to the Lynx and RME cards. I found out at NAMM that Frontier writes a lot of the drivers for other manufacturers.

    I use external converters,


    My Dakota/Montana are still awesome after all these years. They have been through 3 DAWs and are rock solid. The only reason I will change is if my next DAW doesn't have PCI slots or I can't get drivers for some future OS.
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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/16 08:54:31 (permalink)
    You also cant go wrong with the Mackie Onyx w/FireWire series. I use the 1640 and couldn't be happier. Nice clean pre's. That, and I needed at least 9 inputs for my drums. Sometimes more, depending if I want to use some room mic's too. On the other hand, if 8 inputs is enough for you I would also highly recommend the MOTU 8Pre.

    Mike
    post edited by chefmike8888 - 2008/02/16 08:57:16

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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/16 09:16:23 (permalink)
    I've tried two M-Audios for mobile use and have not been knocked out by either one. One being their Firewire keyboard controller with audio interface and one being the brand new Fast USB Ultra 8x8. They've been ok, but I found I always had to crank the mic pre and headphones wide open and it still was not quite what I wanted. Granted, I'm comparing this to an RME Multiface II on PCIe tied to a Focusrite ISA 428 for my stationary rig, so it's not a fair comparison.

    In retrospect, I wish I had gone with the Fireface 800 or 400 or something that could be mobile and ran on Firewire. I really need to be mobile within my house to share time with my family and have spent less and less time on my stationary DAW.

    Whatever you get, my recommendation would be a mobile firewire. Had I gone with that, I'd have little six space rack that I could use with my tower DAW or notebook DAW.

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    RE: Which Card is Best??? 2008/02/19 17:13:36 (permalink)
    I'm going to try out a MOTU Traveler and see how I like it...i've heard some really good things about it...if anyone has had any experience with it then give me a holla...by the way my music can be found on myspace... http://www.myspace.com/LanceHartzell...tell me what you guys think..

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