Moxioron
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 10:34:38
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Gear forum?  I think the differences are minimal and insignificant. Can't go wrong with any one of those, really. The only tone difference you'll get is with the BFG: "I think I like this one the best...what are BFG electronics?" # Neck Pickup: Gibson P-90 # Bridge Pickup: 498T Gibson humbucker # Controls: volume/volume/tone # Switch: Standard kill, mini-switch 3-way pickup select Sorry you can't read ! 
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 10:52:15
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I have a Les Paul Standard. It sounds fantastic. I don't know what the differences are. The Standard has been recorded on thousands of rock CD's and mega hits.
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 10:58:14
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Moxioron
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 11:07:18
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Sorry you can't read ! sigh... I actually did read the features, but really am not familiar with the pickups and functionality. I thought I would pose the question for those who have more experience.
Thanks for responding.
Sorry for not posting in the right spot.
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 11:11:19
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ORIGINAL: Moxioron
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 11:27:47
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ORIGINAL: Moxioron
I don't mind spending a tad more for a better tone.
then put in some dimarzio pickups (or duncans), gibson's are strictly mediocore
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stratcat33511
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 11:43:11
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ORIGINAL: quiet time
ORIGINAL: Moxioron
I don't mind spending a tad more for a better tone.
then put in some dimarzio pickups (or duncans), gibson's are strictly mediocore
+1 THAT's where you should spend the money. Pickups for teh EPI For a couple hundred, you can get an awesome sound with Seymour Duncan or DiMarzios AND install push/pull coil tappers in the Epi without hurting the resale value. I was actually thinking of buying an Epi Standard Plus and fitting it with Duncans, since a friend has a new one and it really is a nice instrument I wouldn't mind taking out of the house My $0.02
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 11:55:39
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the BFG is designed for a modern heavy tone, if thats what you are looking for then thats the one, personally i have tried the pickups and they are fine distorted but terribel clean.
Hope this helps
(I apologise for the rudeness you have just been shown)
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 12:05:08
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If I was going to get a Les Paul, I would look around for a used one that already has the pickups changed out, set up properly and has the woods aged out a bit. If you really have to have a new guitar I would look at a PRS instead, and that is strictly my humble opinion, and YMMV.
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 12:15:17
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ORIGINAL: Moxioron
Hello all.
I am looking to upgrade from my Epiphone Les Paul to a Gibson that really sounds good in the studio (AKA the little room in the corner of my house where I use SONAR).
Which one is better:
Thanks for your input.
What kind of sound are you looking for? What kind of music are you playing? Are you running thru an amp? If so, what model? Finally, are you a really good guitarist? If not, it won't matter what you're playing...I'm not trying to be condescending, just stating facts...Good luck in your endeavors!
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 12:48:19
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ORIGINAL: Moxioron
Hello all.
I am looking to upgrade from my Epiphone Les Paul to a Gibson that really sounds good in the studio (AKA the little room in the corner of my house where I use SONAR).
Which one is better:
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Not to be a wise-***, but the easy answer to that question is "none of the above, mine is better!!!" You provided links, so I don't know if you plan to make your purchase online or if these were just convenient links. My strongest advice would be to purchase something like a guitar locally so that you can play it before you purchase it. If that is your plan then disregard the rest of this message. No two guitars are the same. No two guitars will play the same, or sound the same. The only manufacturers I've run across that get close are Parker and Brian Moore. It's actually spooky, but every Fly I've had the opportunity to play felt very nearly the same, and sounded about as close to exactly the same as I can imagine. And every MC-1 I've played felt, and played great. There were differences in sound, and they weren't what I'd call subtle, but none of them sounded bad. I don't know how they do it! Gibson makes some great guitars, and for quite some time now their consistency has been pretty good, which is to say it is difficult to find a dog. It was not always so!! So the odds of finding a Gibson Les Paul that plays badly or sounds bad are slim. BUT, there is a chance that you will find one that plays brilliantly and sounds like the voice of heaven. That's a search worth pursuing, at least a little<G>! So, you definitely want to test drive the guitars!!! Now, of the three that you posted, I'd probably start with the last one. I have two Les Pauls, both from the late 1960's, and both made of Mahogany. I like them!! Not to say that I would turn down the right maple topped Les Paul, I've played quite a few that sounded great and played great and looked great... but, that's where I'd start. But I really can't even begin to guess which one I'd end up with. One other thought... if you find a guitar that fits your hands perfectly and all but plays itself, but sounds like garbage buy it anyway! Unless the wood is utter garbage it is relatively easy and inexpensive to improve the sound through better pickups, and better bridge, etc. One way to make that determination is to play the guitar without plugging in. If it sounds good like that then you can make it sound good through an amp. Have fun... I wish I were guitar shopping right now!!!
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stratcat
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 13:13:09
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Like some have suggested, pickups have a LOT to do with your sound. I have three very good quality Strats, one is an American Deluxe, one is an American Standard, the other is a California Strat and those sound completely different because of the pickups. Buying used is the way to go - period. A quality used guitar will probably be set up better (most new guitars are set up horribly) and may have had the electronics upgraded. I've owned a lot of guitars over the years and have only bought one new (my first decent electric).
Also, if you want a Les Paul, if you can find one, consider a Yamaha Lord Player. You can find them on Ebay sometimes. I have one and it's as good as any Gibson I've played. It was a "lawsuit" model from the late 70's and is an incredible guitar. I bought mine for $400.
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chongo
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 13:38:40
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get a gibson and you wont be sorry
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 14:00:59
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+1 for test driving any guitar before you buy. 2 weeks ago I purchased a guitar from Musician's Friend/The Evil Overlord. It had great reviews and looked stunning. I wanted it so badly to play and sound good. But it didn't. It was an awful guitar, and I am sure I am not the first person to send it back.
So, I went to the local music store, and tried a bunch of guitars in my price range. It turns out I tried a Godin that just begged to be played. It sounded great unplugged and plugged in to a clean amp. (I always laugh when I hear guys trying guitars through a mega-distortion unit...While I was playing there was a guy trying painfully to play some power chord Green Day thing on a beautiful Les Paul...not only could he not play it, but I have no idea what the gutar sounded like...)
Anyway, it was love at first sight with my Godin. And it cost less than the other even after sales tax.
So, don't buy a guitar unless you test drive it and fall in love with it. There are awesome guitars out there, but you have to do the foot work to find 'em.
My $.02.
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Da Voice Of
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 14:07:49
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Moxiron! Don't listen to anyone! Make up your own mind. They're both really good guitars. So picking out one is like finding a woman! Go to the shop, the guitars' current home, and pick one up for testing. Test both models, but make sure you only play one at a time. Don't want any confusion. Try them on an amp setup simmilar to what you will use it on. Just play and enjoy the guitars for as long as they let you, until you're nearly kicked out of the shop but perhaps then, you'll have your mind made up. Then you pull out your credit card and get ready for a life long commitment to a wonderfull piece of axe. However, if you're still unsure, you may as well try some other guitars, or sleep on it for a night. The technical specs doesn't really matter if you like playing it and you like the sound better in one than the other. This is so very much up to you personally. What are your desires for looks, color, bodytype, neck, tension etc. You know, some like them fat, others like them skinny, some prefer asian and some prefer european, but all we ever really want is someone who'll come home with you every night after the gig  Good luck and let us know how your new relationship turns out.
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 14:10:20
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If you are happy with the Epiphone guitar in general, i.e. playability, looks, etc... and are simply looking for better tone I would keep your present guitar and add some different pickups. I guarantee if you buy a Les Paul you will be disappointed in the stock tone quality coming from the Gibson factory installed pick-ups. I recently changed out the pickups on my '77 Les Paul Standard with Seymour Duncan pickups. The difference was amazing. Went from the mellow, dull, mushy sound of the standard Les Paul to a great versatile sounding guitar. Pickups, of course, are a matter of taste. Seymour Duncan's website has sound samples of the different pickup sounds, I'm sure other manufuacturers do as well. Find a pick-up you like that works on the Les Paul style guitar and go with that if you are otherwise OK with your current guitar.
The guitar is a difficult instrument to properly record in general so you have to start with a solid foundation - good pickups. Then make sure your other tools are in place such as a decent mike, decent soundcard, guitar effects, software programs like Guitar Rig (or others that record well),etc....and of course Sonar. That will get you well on your way to developing the sounds you are looking for. Hope this helps.
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mgh
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 14:12:09
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+1 for EPi with new pups. look at ESP/Tokai/Yamaha too. Maybe try a PRS SE too??
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stratcat33511
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 14:18:12
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ORIGINAL: mgh
+1 for EPi with new pups. look at ESP/Tokai/Yamaha too. Maybe try a PRS SE too??
Oooh - Nice one - good call I abhor 'what's best' threads, don't you? Silly OP: Buy a Fender Stratocaster !
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 14:21:53
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Epiphones are cheap knockoffs...just like a Kia car.
They are like the 'Squier' series is to a Fender, or an 'EX' series is for Ibanez...wait, everything Ibanez makes is junk.
Better just buy a Parker Fly or a Carvin.
Carry on!
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 14:27:09
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If you want to stay in the LP world, also try ESP LTD EC-1000. There r two versions: one with Seymore Duncans (classic sound) and other is with Active EMG pickups (modern heavy sound). I have the one with Seymore Duncans and the best way to describe them is that sounds like if you combine PRS and Gibson LP. very unique and can sound like either exclusively with some controls. Best LP style neck I've ever played, not even PRS or Gibson comes close and very comfortable. But as you may have gotten the point from all the replies..... TRY EM! when you don't hear a sound, you try to imagine it, and when you hear it, it can totally surprise you, in both good and bad way. You've made it clear that you want LP type sound so try a few LP styles from diff manufacturers and with diff pickups.. Guitar Center has a good collection to start with. oh and Daddy... dont b stuck with brand names... Ever tried Squire Protone? a better guitar than most newer fender strats out there rite now. Ever tried Ibanez JS/Jem/S series? I've heard Epis that were modded with nice pickups and ended up sounding better than Gibson Standards. Guitars are more like art work... every piece is unique.
post edited by ambientNRG - 2007/12/28 14:44:29
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stratcat33511
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 16:18:44
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 16:24:24
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I replaced the standard Gibson pickups in my 96'ish LP Std with DiMarzio Virtual PAFs and the improvement was quite nice. Well worth the price. There's nothing like a real, thousand pound LP for a certain type of sound. Of course, the fact that it weighs about a thousand pounds can get a little rough on the leg after a few hours trying to get a part tracked.
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AdamFH
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 16:25:56
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Try the new suckerpunch guitar. It's the newest, and I've heard that it's the best.
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mor54rs
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 17:12:21
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Bottom line is try before you buy and customize when necessary. Good luck.
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 17:17:51
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Bottom line is try before you buy and customize when necessary. Good luck.
+1 everyone has different tastes and likes different feels. Play them both, buy the one that moves you more. It's your money, don't rely on internet typists to tell you how best to spend it. Oh, to answer the question... There is no "best" apart from the person's opinion. Stevie liked Strat...Page -LP and Tele... BB King - Lucille...Iommi - SG...Santana - PRS
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Moxioron
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 17:52:42
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Thanks for all of the great responses...
Picked up on two main themes
1. Try it before you buy it
2. Good pickups can make a big difference.
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 21:26:32
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Look at an Orville LP standard or custom on ebay. This is an INCREDIBLE value. I have "real" Gibs, too. My Orville goldtop kicks ass (and has Duncan replacements in it). I would beware the all-mahogany LPs. Without the maple top, it won't sound as bright. Having said that, bright or mellow -- matters of taste.
You can get an Orville for about $700 on ebay. Far and away one of the best values going.
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Ognis
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 21:26:57
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Which Guitar is Better? The silent one.
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RE: Which Guitar is Better?
2007/12/28 23:25:41
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+1 for PRS. Play 1 b4 you buy the gibson
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