Wait... Are you saying that if I have a computer with Vista, I can't nuke the hard-drive and start all over again loading up XP Pro?

No, he's not saying that. you can do that if you want
Cj

Wait... Are you saying that if I have a computer with Vista, I can't nuke the hard-drive and start all over again loading up XP Pro?

I didn't say that. What I meant was if you're buying a new computer, its probably going to come with Vista. You could certainly nuke it and load XP Pro, but that's an additional cost.

xp-32 it is for now... until(if) everyone starts using vista, then I will upgrade.. ill let you guys be the guinea pigs.

UAC is an option that can be turned off thus eliminating the irritating nags. Mac commercials don't tell you that ;)

To be perfectly honest, I didn't find Vista to be buggy in any way but the latency, and frankly with my workflow even that didn't bother me too much (I was running 3-5ms on my MOTU 828, depending on the project, and as long as I wasn't running the back-and-forth project). It worked fine.

I just found it under-supported, particularly the 64bit version.
A few interfaces, a few plugins, and a few applications... if you want 64bit. Otherwise, you're in some sort of compatibility mode.

Worse, there are a fair amount of driver developers (m-audio), plugin developers, and application developers (adobe) who aren't even currently working on 64bit solutions for their apps/drivers. Even when they get Vista going (if they haven't already), they're doing it in 32bit.

But, I know what you mean. The OS needs to prove itself, and (to me) Vista hasn't done that.

I've said it before, but:
There is no point to Vista 32bit... it's 32bit, and heavier, so... unless you can't get out of it, well... get out of it.
Vista 64 isn't going anywhere this year. A few drivers and a few apps. If you need a selection and you want 64bit for things like VIDEO (which needs it more than audio, frankly)... skip it.
And the last promise of Vista, wavert, was dead before it started because it doesn't work with firewire or usb interfaces, and wasn't forced upon the market anyway (so barely anyone's even bothering).

Vista = ME... to ME. Dead out of the gate, and no better a year later.

My truly, truly honest answer to people asking if they should get this OS or that OS is simple:
32bit = XP
64bit = Leopard (which, for many, isn't logical because they'd have to buy all new stuff all around)

Bummer. I have a lot of time and money invested in this OS, as I'm sure many others do as well.

(sorry for being so negative, but I'm actually getting progressively more p**sed off about it... and tiring rapidly of MS lack of direction)

- zevo

for me musically windows 98 was the best. XP is/was ok and Vista well, well it is very stable. Its in its infancy as a year or two for proper usage is about fair. And enough for developers to get their teeth into it. Just like the gaming community. a new console comes out and the games are basically B-list games until the console has a few years under its belt then the Killer apps come out which use the machine to full advantage. But that is near to the end of its life.

I rarely have to reboot the computer because it has frozen. I have done, but I used the patch for Sonar and that worked a treat. Now I do not have to reboot at all. Then again, I have not done that for XP either which I still have and still run albeit on my computer in my living room.

The reason why I liked 98se was because I never had a latency issue once with it. With midi or with audio. It just worked like that!

As far as OS's goes win 98 was and still the best OS around. You could tweak the hell out of it you could load what drivers were to be used and in the order necessary. Its just to bad we cant get the code for it and maybe rewrite it to accept a larger memory but then again sequencers for it were not half the sequencers they are now. The ultimate one would be a 64 bit written strictly for music and developed by the big 4 sequencer company's.

Dappa1


I know what you mean. When I started I was using DOS very simple very clean. But as computers got better and faster. The OS and software got more CPU and memory intense. I think its come down to the OS and programs have surpassed the current setup and when you put it all together things tend to get messed up. The standard of quality components and drivers have not really changed but the requirements of the OS as well the programs have, so raising the bar sort of speaking now we have glitches with no room for error. That probably explains why some here with vista 32 and vista 64 have had no problems while others here, well you've read their posts. The only real solution is to write a OS with the cooperation of vendors for the specific task of music production that can handle the larger memory and 64 bit CPU configuration. Until that happens we will always keep running into these problems as new generation of components/ software are developed. The attitude of one size fits all will eventually have to end.

ORIGINAL: CJaysMusic

Wait... Are you saying that if I have a computer with Vista, I can't nuke the hard-drive and start all over again loading up XP Pro?

No, he's not saying that. you can do that if you want
Cj

But there's no quarantee that all the hardware will be working on XP.
It really depends on what's in the box.

Dappa1

Theres the cruts of it all. No OS was ever made just for one specific thing especially for music production. All OS are developed for the largest consumer base. We just happen to not be it. The closest thing now would be a keyboard I cant remember the name or manufacture but it souly was developed with its own OS to do just this and nothing more. There are others out there but you are so limited. you cant just load just any body plug ins you had to use theirs. Yamaha had developed one wrapped around a LAN setup with cubase but that fell to the wast side due to cost. The biggest thing I have to recommend is do your research. Also when it comes to plug ins and vst's they will be memory hogs and there is no getting around it. I still say vista 64 is still the way to go because of the memory. You just have to be very careful to the plug ins and drivers as well the sequencer used. They all have to work together in order for it to be glitch free. Its just a matter of time for everything to get worked out.

G ram? pass that by me again.

does he mean get four gb of ram? if he is actually I am looking into that at present I have two gig. which I still do not think is enough I may get another kingston to boost it to three gig. Will vista 32 handle four gig. I know xp has a hard time with four GB.

I don't know He made it sound like you need to have 4 gig ram just get on the bus with vista 32, Actually more the better the only way that will happen is with vista 64. You know what is any body familiar with Linux

holderofthehorns

Very good point. So I guess it comes down to trying to fit this type of application instead of data processing since IBM was the I believe the biggest users and suppliers of servers.