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2015/03/04 15:56:31 (permalink)

Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get?

Come on Cake!
WTF?, over.
You need to fix your install procedure.
Its NOT OK to put samples, even 1kb, on the C drive;
that's not where the samples for "professional" VSTi are installed.
Period! End of discussion!
FIX IT!
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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/04 16:12:28 (permalink)
Yep ...

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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/04 16:27:37 (permalink)
Well, if you are going to design a no-brainer installer, you can usually be pretty sure the computer has a C: drive somewhere. Other than that you are guessing. What you are asking for is an installer that asks where the various components should go, and that would indeed be a good idea, if not as easy to implement. Or you could ask John how to do what you want.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3183900
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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/04 16:35:38 (permalink)
Well, since you asked so nicely... :-)
 
Just kidding.  It bugs me that I have samples and presets (not just Cakewalk) scattered around C and D and in My Documents, etc.  (Guitar Rig is a big offender.)

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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/04 16:37:00 (permalink)
 
If we're talking about Studio Instruments samples (1.21 gb), they've been there like forever.
 
Those vsti's are so old the C: path is probably hardcoded into the software.
 

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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/04 16:44:13 (permalink)
I did (ask John), post #14 in the thread you linked.
I'm not sure if Studio Instruments originally asked where to put the samples before or not.
It sure didn't when I installed it from the Command Center.
I know Rapture did not, Dim Pro did (previously).
Haven't tried either from Command Center, but both are already installed; so why would I?
I'm not sure Platinum is "ready" for the studio DAW yet.
I'm taking a "wait and see" attitude; I'll play with it here on the office rig a bit.
Needs to be "fixed" though; of that I am sure.
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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/04 16:52:54 (permalink)
"Those vsti's are so old the C: path is probably hardcoded into the software."
Then why "include" it with your "flagship" product?
Does Dim Pro give you the option when installed from Command Center?
 
"Well, since you asked so nicely... :-)"
I'm too old to stand idly by while someone "wastes" my time
Waste your own time, not mine! (not directed at you Konradh)
 
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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/04 17:03:06 (permalink)
DeeringAmps, Lighten up, bro.  I was just kidding and I supported your position.  The weird thing is that I said I was joking whereas you sound seriously mad; so, I won't comment on your posts anymore and everything will be cool.
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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/04 17:09:08 (permalink)
Is it possible to delete those files, if you're not using those instruments?  Although I like DimPro, Session Instruments, and the like, I use them basically because they came with Sonar.  Just a guess of course, but I think that while Cakewalk's VSTi aren't really anything to snub, they're really not the selling points of their product.  I would tend to believe the avid users of those types of software instruments, have gone to 3rd party choices.  In a small way, I've done that myself and I think my Roland XP80 and JV-2080 (fully loaded of course) STILL give DimPro a pretty good run for the money for the bread and butter stuff.  I know you love Toontrack as do I.  I'd ditch the files.  The loops should be able to stashed anywhere.
 
All that...I TOTALLY sympathize with SSD "C" drive users (and the like), but I TOTALLY feel confident this issue will be addressed and resolved in the near future.  Cake code writers certainly realize this I am sure.  In the meantime, I'm using my *dinosaur* rotating style drive...but it's 1TB, so I don't really squirm that much that Cake deposited a decent sized media folder in it. 

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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/04 17:11:42 (permalink)
I'm flattered to be thought of as knowing but I have to confess I don't know how to change the setup of the studio instruments. Its possible that a registry hack is needed after moving them where one wants them. I never thought much about them. They're OK and I've had them on my system for a long time. 

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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/04 17:15:22 (permalink)
 
If you want to hang on to them, you can symbolic link the folder anywhere you want.
 

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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/04 17:17:06 (permalink)
 
John
snip...... but I have to confess I don't know how to change the setup of the studio instruments. ..../snip


That sounds like grounds for hosting revocation.  Out to the barn, young man!  :-D

But seriously, we'd have to be on another planet if we think Cake doesn't know this and see the CCC shortcomings.  I think Noel even mentioned about getting the older (pre SPlat) products viewable as a goal, some other stuff, and free Cake coffee mugs were also in there somewhere too.  ( I think !!)

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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/04 18:27:21 (permalink)
Konradh,
I am NOT seriously mad, and took no offense.
Frustrated, yeah I am that, but NEVER take me too seriously; please.
I just can't help myself when the Emperor is naked, the SOB is NAKED; if you know what I mean.
"you can symbolic link the folder anywhere you want"
There's a thread on that somewhere.
<frustration>If the forum had a decent search feature...</frustration>
I'll ask one more time:
<question>
Does the Command Center Dim Pro installer let you install the samples to your sample drive,
or are you forced to go back and "symbolic link" or do a registry hack?
Surely someone has installed it.
</question>
And that's what I mean about "wasting my time".
Lazy is lazy, and NOT providing the end user with the option to put samples where ever you want is LAZY!
I don't care how old the software is; fix it!
Lazy is a dog that won't hunt.
And dogs that won't hunt don't eat my kibble; if you know what I mean.
Sorry for the rant, but I'm "right" on this one...
 
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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/04 18:42:02 (permalink)
I have a nice new SSD ready to be my C: drive with a full new install and I won't do it until this is fixed. This is the only negative I have with Platinum and the new era Cakewalk. I was wrong I do have another negative and that is What is 32 bit only and how do I not install it. Two rules: no 32 bit on my system and nothing on the C: drive I don't want there. This needs to be a priority. Every plugin needs to have the option to install or not and everything should be decided by me where to install their libraries. CCC is negatively effecting the Platinum experience. That is a huge and unnecessary waste.

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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/04 18:47:57 (permalink)
Thanks, DeeringAmps!  My bad for taking things too seriously!  The people here are always great.
 
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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/05 01:56:37 (permalink)
I just use the (now famous scook's) mklink Dos Command to create a link that allows me to put Multisamples and kits where I want but allowing the installer and the various programs think the data is still in the default location.
 
 

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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/05 02:05:59 (permalink)
I'm pretty sure scook DID NOT invent or create or code mklink.
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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/05 02:17:00 (permalink)
This is true, I did not mess with mklnk until enlighted by other forum members
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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/05 02:23:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/03/05 10:57:41
That said, I might have made it the fashion.
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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/05 07:05:46 (permalink)
I doubt that any, including dimpro, installers will ask where to place the files if they are run from CCC. I think it is coded to send the silent switch to the installers so they run with default settings and ask no questions.
 
I have discovered that you can download the files manually and place them in the CCC downloads folder after you have already installed them CCC will scan and detect that it is already installed the next time you run it. At least then you could load ccc to see if there are updates for the various bits and pieces.
 
I have not run all the installers manually yet but at least the Sonar installer will run in a custom setup mode if you run it manually instead of using CCC.
 
 
CCC definitely needs some love but the sonar program itself seems solid to me.
 

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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/05 10:06:32 (permalink)
I have to agree with Tom. My C:\ 240gb SSD drive space is slipping away...

 
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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/05 10:20:38 (permalink)
not to change the subject, but is there any performance benchmarks that say installing instruments on a separate drive is better? theoretically, I understand there *would* be a difference, but aside from space space restrictions, is there any *significant* advantage to be gained? Sonar does kind of annoy me with multiple install paths and when you're installing VSTs from other companies, they have their own default install locations as well. if you've got OS/Software/Samples/Songs spread across 2-3 drives, it just makes the backups more annoying; you have to perform 3 separate backups and potentially have to restore from three different backups to find something you want.
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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/05 10:31:44 (permalink)
You pays your money and takes your choice.
I like to "image, image, image"; but that's just the OS, that's one reason I want it "lean and mean".
I do have external backups for my sample drive and for my projects.
2 drives will work, 1 for OS and 1 for projects.But that's bare a$$ minimum IMHO.
I have 5 drives on my office system, at least that in the studio...
 
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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/05 10:39:36 (permalink)
Backup management is my primary reason for wanting choice.  Moving back to Sonar added 10G to my C drive, and that's after more/less successfully coaxing most content onto a different drive.
 
Still - I wonder how much code work is actually being done these days.  Installation flexibility has been a user complaint forever; 10-15 years that I personally am aware of.
 
I guess there is an argument that says that if they're still selling software to people that have been having the same complaints for 15 years ... is there really a need to change anything?
 
Maybe we need a users union to go on strike until they actually open the core code base and make some basic changes.  I wonder how much leverage would a skipped upgrade cycle have ...

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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/05 10:54:21 (permalink)
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I just use the (now famous scook's) mklink Dos Command to create a link that allows me to put Multisamples and kits where I want but allowing the installer and the various programs think the data is still in the default location.
 



I was going to ask how, but decided to check google with this search: "site:forum.cakewalk.com mklink" and came up with this post from scook: http://forum.cakewalk.com/m/tm.aspx?m=1120449&p=3
 
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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/05 10:57:19 (permalink)
Here's another link just giving instructions on mklink (not specific to SONAR)
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/278262-mklink-create-use-links-windows.html
 
 

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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/05 11:21:55 (permalink)
I tried moving the SI samples to my Sample drive.
Then I changed the paths in the registry. Still did not work.
 
I decided that the studio instruments just were not good enough for me to waste my time.
 
If I need to get some midi out put quick for whatever reason I just use TTS-1.

 
 
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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/05 11:26:14 (permalink)
With Dim Pro and stuff like that-the reg edit is so simple-just change the C:| to in my case E:\
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I just use the (now famous scook's) mklink Dos Command to create a link that allows me to put Multisamples and kits where I want but allowing the installer and the various programs think the data is still in the default location.
 



I was going to ask how, but decided to check google with this search: "site:forum.cakewalk.com mklink" and came up with this post from scook: http://forum.cakewalk.com/m/tm.aspx?m=1120449&p=3
 
Thanks, scook, for the help!
 


Dim pro and such-it's so simple just to change the C:\ to your sample drive , in my case E:\ in the register. Takes all of 2 minutes.
 
So either way I guess. I like the reg edit because it's very plain and I can "see" it
JMHO

 
 
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Re: Which Part of It's NOT OK to install 1.2gb of samples on my C drive Don't You Get? 2015/03/05 12:08:50 (permalink)
Si does work if you change registry paths, but I think there may be more than one to be changed (I've done this and it works fine).  Worth persevering with them, as they're incredibly useful workhorses (well, the bass and strings are anyway).
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