Which mic

Author
Chris921
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 22
  • Joined: 2013/05/27 10:00:37
  • Status: offline
2013/05/29 10:56:22 (permalink)

Which mic

Hi guys newbie alert again lol

Looking for a mic for recording my vocals ands pistol guitar only the home studio I'm building isn't great but I'm going to build a homemade sound booth in the corner  would u suggest a condenser mic or a dynamic? Been to a shop and they suggested a se electronics x1 condenser but I've also been looking at the shure sm57/58 what would you suggest for under £150 thanks
#1

23 Replies Related Threads

    batsbrew
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 10037
    • Joined: 2007/06/07 16:02:32
    • Location: SL,UT
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/05/29 11:29:08 (permalink)
    i'd save up some more, and start with a Shure SM7



    i use a Shure KSM44, and love it.
    works for damn near everything.

    Bats Brew music Streaming
    Bats Brew albums:
    "Trouble"
    "Stay"
    "The Time is Magic"
    --
    Sonar 6 PE>Bandlab Cakewalk>Studio One 3.5>RME BFP>i7-7700 3.6GHz>MSI B250M>G.Skill Ripjaws 4 series 16GB>Samsung 960 EVO m.2ssd>W 10 Pro
     
    #2
    Cactus Music
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 8424
    • Joined: 2004/02/09 21:34:04
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/05/29 12:05:11 (permalink)
    SM 58 is an indestructible mike for live stage work, end of story. 
    I've never used one on a recording. 
    SM 57 I use a lot , Mostly on drums and instruments, defiantly always on miking a guitar amp. I use them for vocals too with a wind sock that fits.  But that's live stage work. 
    I have better mikes for recording vocals but if I only was told I could have one mike, that would be it. The Beta series are even better, a little crispier. 
    So I would recommend a SM 57 or Beta 57 as you can use it for everything. 
    post edited by Cactus Music - 2013/05/29 12:06:12

    Johnny V  
    Cakelab  
    Focusrite 6i61st - Tascam us1641. 
    3 Desktops and 3 Laptops W7 and W10
     http://www.cactusmusic.ca/
     
     
    #3
    Chris921
    Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 22
    • Joined: 2013/05/27 10:00:37
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/05/29 12:54:34 (permalink)
    It will be only acoustic guitar and vocals do you think the sm57 would be the best for only these they suggest a condenser mic in the shops but I'm not sure everyone I know says get a 57 but they only record instruments will it be ok for vocals? Thanks for the help
    #4
    batsbrew
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 10037
    • Joined: 2007/06/07 16:02:32
    • Location: SL,UT
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/05/29 14:27:32 (permalink)
    a 57 is a fine mic, but not the best for capturing acoustic guitar.

    i own 3 57's, one dates back to 1982, and is still working fine after 4 years of fulltime roadwork, it is a workhorse, and will serve well.

    but it is not the best choice.


    it is a dynamic mic, and you keep mentioning wanting a condensor.

    this all boils down to two things:

    1. how serious are you about recording?

    2. how much can you afford for a 'decent' mic?




    Bats Brew music Streaming
    Bats Brew albums:
    "Trouble"
    "Stay"
    "The Time is Magic"
    --
    Sonar 6 PE>Bandlab Cakewalk>Studio One 3.5>RME BFP>i7-7700 3.6GHz>MSI B250M>G.Skill Ripjaws 4 series 16GB>Samsung 960 EVO m.2ssd>W 10 Pro
     
    #5
    spacealf
    Max Output Level: -54 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 2133
    • Joined: 2010/11/18 17:44:34
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/05/29 15:15:49 (permalink)
    I have a Shure SM58, and I bought a condenser mic (48V phantom power needed) but payed 3-4 times as much, but it is worth it, along with a reflection filter because where I record, it is like well no room at all. The gain is good with the condenser mic but I also run a TC Helicon now before going to the input of the audio/interface. A cheap condenser will not sound that bad but all mics may need EQ on them before getting (or after recording) the mixdown you may want the sound on. A Shure SM58 is fine for live playing, but not really that good anymore, just cheap and a cheap condenser will probably sound better on the recording. Best thing to do is go to the market place, plug in the mic and see how it sounds. There are cheap condenser mics and some do not sound bad at all. Look around again just to get an idea on the Internet, but I bought mine (although I usually buy at Sweetwater) at GC, where they also have some cheap condenser. You should try some out, because that is the only way to tell. Mine Sennheiser is good enough but not all that expensive either. http://www.sweetwater.com...io/studio-microphones/ Sorry again using Firefox browser and paragraphs do not work with this forum. Everywhere else on forums it works fine. I stay away from ribbon mics, and some dynamic mics work fine better than perhaps a Shure also. Only reason I give a link to Sweetwater, is because a person can look around there and see reviews and what other people think of what they bought, but then there is probably the hype, because of what they bought and all of that also.

     
     
    #6
    spacealf
    Max Output Level: -54 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 2133
    • Joined: 2010/11/18 17:44:34
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/05/29 15:20:01 (permalink)
    Self noise is a little high with this one (20dB): http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AT2020

     
     
    #7
    spacealf
    Max Output Level: -54 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 2133
    • Joined: 2010/11/18 17:44:34
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/05/29 15:43:57 (permalink)
    I have to sing close to the condenser because of noise in the room (well a little noise) but the TC Helicon has a noise gate in it, and vocals do not take that much dynamics unless you yell into the mic. The condenser sounds the same whether you are close to it, or 8-9" back or whatever. A pop filter may be needed because of P's and B's and stuff like that while singing from your voice. A Shure SM58 does not even come close to the condenser as far as I am concerned. Bassy up close and far away the response changes. No comparison to me, the condensers will always win, although sibilance may play into it also. Do not sing direct into it, sing pointed a little away from it, if needed. Shock mount may cost more also, but in the home, no shock is usually fine, but I bought one anway, and that was 100 more. Sits in the box.

     
     
    #8
    SvenArne
    Max Output Level: -48 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 2719
    • Joined: 2007/01/31 12:51:29
    • Location: Trondheim, Norway
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/05/29 16:00:16 (permalink)
    I like the AKG D5 dynamic mic (We have three of them). It's flatter in the midrange than the Shures while extending both lower and higher. The Shures can sound shouty and annoying on some voices (though the SM7 has a switch to remedy the shoutiness).





    #9
    spacealf
    Max Output Level: -54 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 2133
    • Joined: 2010/11/18 17:44:34
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/05/29 16:03:20 (permalink)
    Sorry, spelled wrong: Reflexion filter: http://www.sweetwater.com...php?s=reflexion+filter

     
     
    #10
    AT
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 10654
    • Joined: 2004/01/09 10:42:46
    • Location: TeXaS
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/05/29 16:06:38 (permalink)
    The AKG 214 is my favorite low cost condenser these days.  A VO artist I work w/ bought one and has been sending me files.  A bit over 150 pounds, I would think ($300), but still it is one you won't shove into the back of the mic drawer when you have better ones.

    You might find  a used one for that price.

    @

    https://soundcloud.com/a-pleasure-dome
    http://www.bnoir-film.com/  
     
    there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
    24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
    #11
    spacealf
    Max Output Level: -54 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 2133
    • Joined: 2010/11/18 17:44:34
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/05/29 16:21:30 (permalink)
    A recording has to sound right into the audio/interface or computer usually first of all. Trying to fix it later, will usually not work. Sonar 7 with some of the FX effects I can use, listed (don't know if all are Cakewalk stuff) do not work in Windows 7, may work in XP, have not ran through them to mark it all down. Usually the Cakewalk FX stuff will work, like Reverb, and Echo, and perhaps EQ, but I use to use like Parametric EQ, and I think that does not work with Windows 7. That will be because X1 probably is newer, but a lite version does not include everything or can you record are faster speeds.

     
     
    #12
    SvenArne
    Max Output Level: -48 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 2719
    • Joined: 2007/01/31 12:51:29
    • Location: Trondheim, Norway
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/05/29 16:33:20 (permalink)
    AT


    The AKG 214 is my favorite low cost condenser these days.  A VO artist I work w/ bought one and has been sending me files.  A bit over 150 pounds, I would think ($300), but still it is one you won't shove into the back of the mic drawer when you have better ones.

    You might find  a used one for that price.

    @

    I can see why it would be good for voiceover since it has both top end definition and "voice-of-god" bass. I sold mine though, since I found the smiley-curve freq response needing excessive EQ to fit in busy mixes. Sort of miss it, but IMO there are better allrounders in the price range!





    #13
    AT
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 10654
    • Joined: 2004/01/09 10:42:46
    • Location: TeXaS
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/05/29 20:57:35 (permalink)
    the 214 sounded good on her singing, too.

    @

    https://soundcloud.com/a-pleasure-dome
    http://www.bnoir-film.com/  
     
    there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
    24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
    #14
    Guitarhacker
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 24398
    • Joined: 2007/12/07 12:51:18
    • Location: NC
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/05/30 08:28:37 (permalink)
    Chris, have a look at Gauge Microphones. 

    http://www.gauge-usa.com/..e_Microphones/Home.html

    Great mics for a super price. I heard these mics back in 2009 in a side by side comparison with mics costing 10x as much. They held their own quite well. 

    I think they are mail order only however... unless stores have started carrying them. that was one way they kept prices so low.... no middle man markup. 

    My website & music: www.herbhartley.com

    MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW   
    Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface


    BMI/NSAI

    "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer 
    #15
    LpMike75
    Max Output Level: -59 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 1621
    • Joined: 2009/10/04 11:50:50
    • Location: CT
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/06/15 23:08:09 (permalink)
    Like Batsbrew, I also own a Shure SM58 and a Shure KSM44 (LDC).  There is really no comparison, the large diaphragm condenser is pretty much awesome on everything I have used it on.  Especially acoustic guitars and vocals. 
     
    I also have a pair of SM81 mics that sound great when you stereo mic a guitar...but not the greatest for vocals.  I would say if you are looking for one mic to do it all, invest in a LDC mic.   


    - Mike
    Sonar Platinum - M-Audio Profire 2626 , Pro Tools 11 HD Omni - PC I7 6850K - 64 G RAM - GeForce GTX 970
    http://www.soundcloud.com/michael-lizotte 
    Http://WWW.HomeRecordingWizard.Com
    HTTP://WWW.Facebook.com/HomeRecordingWizard
    Http://www.mjlmusic.com 
    #16
    LaryMary
    Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 85
    • Joined: 2012/09/10 16:15:33
    • Location: West Wales, UK
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/06/16 19:20:38 (permalink)
    Chris921,
     
    I had a similar problem.  I have an SM58 for live work and, although it performs okay for vocal recording, I would describe it as lacking in finesse in the studio.  However, it does for now until I get more experienced or need something of better quality.
     
    The mic I was considering is the Rode NT1-A.  It is a good condenser mic and not too expensive. Amazon have a good deal at the moment of a NT1-A kit which includes shock mount & pop shield, XLR cable and dust  cover for £149.  Look here:  http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rode-NT1-A-Vocal-Condenser-Microphone/dp/B0002PSCQM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=107LZXZ64CCW3&coliid=IYTWBHPU4WXA7 

    Homebuilt Desktop PC
    AMD Phenom II four-core processor 3.4Ghz, Asus M5A78L AM3+ mobo, 16Gb Ram, 250Gb SSD for OS & Programs, 120Gb SSD, 1TB Project HDD, 1TB Samples HDD, 
    Sonar Platinum, Zoom R16, Shure SM58
    #17
    IK Obi
    Max Output Level: -60 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 1549
    • Joined: 2011/02/22 20:25:48
    • Location: Salt Lake City, UT
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/06/18 23:26:23 (permalink)
    57 you'll be able to use it in the future

    No longer with IK. Here is my WebsiteTwitterYouTube | Facebook | Instagram
     
    #18
    Blogman
    Max Output Level: -81 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 481
    • Joined: 2011/02/08 02:32:48
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/06/18 23:28:01 (permalink)
    neuman tlm 103 or 102 if your on a tighter budget...
    #19
    brconflict
    Max Output Level: -56.5 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 1891
    • Joined: 2012/10/05 21:28:30
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/06/24 15:47:50 (permalink)
    The AT-4040 is pretty awesome for a dry, but very articulate mic. However, if you can muster, I highly recommend the Avantone cv-12 mic. I stacked one of these right next to a vintage AKG c12, and I have to say, the Avantone held up quite well, regardless of the price. You'll be very happy with one. 

    Brian
     
    Sonar Platinum, Steinberg Wavelab Pro 9, MOTU 24CoreIO w/ low-slew OP-AMP mods and BLA external clock, True P8, Audient ASP008, API 512c, Chandler Germ500, Summit 2ba-221, GAP Pre-73, Peluso 22251, Peluso 2247LE, Mackie HR824, Polk Audio SRS-SDA 2.3tl w/upgraded Soniccraft crossovers and Goertz cables, powered by Pass-X350. All wiring Star-Quad XLR or Monster Cable. Power by Monster Power Signature AVS2000 voltage stabilizer and Signature Pro Power 5100 PowerCenter on a 20A isolation shielded circuit.
    #20
    The Band19
    Max Output Level: -47.5 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 2795
    • Joined: 2012/05/29 19:21:32
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/06/26 01:20:10 (permalink)
    Eff the budget, Neumann U87 AI
     
    You can't buy a nice Ferrari? (maybe you can, congratulations) But you can buy the Ferrari of Mics. 

    Sittin downtown in a railway station one toke over the line.
    #21
    Bristol_Jonesey
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 16775
    • Joined: 2007/10/08 15:41:17
    • Location: Bristol, UK
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/06/26 15:59:07 (permalink)
    I own 2 SM58's, an SM57, a pair of cheap ribbons and an AT4033
     
    I only ever use the AT or the ribbons for vocals, and usually a blend of AT/ribbon

    CbB, Platinum, 64 bit throughout
    Custom built i7 3930, 32Gb RAM, 2 x 1Tb Internal HDD, 1 x 1TB system SSD (Win 7), 1 x 500Gb system SSD (Win 10), 2 x 1Tb External HDD's, Dual boot Win 7 & Win 10 64 Bit, Saffire Pro 26, ISA One, Adam P11A,
    #22
    jbow
    Max Output Level: -0.2 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 7601
    • Joined: 2003/11/26 19:14:18
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/07/21 09:56:05 (permalink)
    This is interesting to me, thanks to everyone. I too am looking for an economy vocal mic. When I was young I was a 1st tenor, I believe my voise is slightly lower now, with age however I still consistantly get, "will that be all mam?" when I order at a drive through window or on phone calls with someone who does not know me. My vocal chords have grown slightly apart making my voice a little more breathy.. I also tend to sing more softly so you might say I need a good mic for breathy female vocals.
    I look longlingly at the KSM44 but just cannot justify the price with all the other things I also need. OS I settled on the SM7 but then the SM-58 Beta caught my eye at about 150 bucks.
    Since you are all checking in here about a mic... does anyone have a suggestin? Do you think thee is a huge difference between the SM-7 and the 58 Beta? This will be strictly for recording. I have a big room with good acoustics, and I have a closet.
    @ Herb, I had forgotten about Guage and I own one. I will take a look there for a dynamic that might fit my needs.
    BTW, I think the Guage ECM-84 is good on acoustic guitar. I wish I had ordered a matched set.
     
    Julien

    Sonar Platinum
    Studiocat Pro 16G RAM (some bells and whistles)
    HP Pavilion dm4 1165-dx (i5)-8G RAM
    Octa-Capture
    KRK Rokit-8s
    MIDI keyboards...
    Control Pad
    mics. 
    I HATE THIS CMPUTER KEYBARD!
    #23
    Bristol_Jonesey
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 16775
    • Joined: 2007/10/08 15:41:17
    • Location: Bristol, UK
    • Status: offline
    Re:Which mic 2013/07/23 07:14:34 (permalink)
    Given what you've said about your voice, I'd check out the AT4033 which I find is great on breathier, non-raspy "male" vocals

    CbB, Platinum, 64 bit throughout
    Custom built i7 3930, 32Gb RAM, 2 x 1Tb Internal HDD, 1 x 1TB system SSD (Win 7), 1 x 500Gb system SSD (Win 10), 2 x 1Tb External HDD's, Dual boot Win 7 & Win 10 64 Bit, Saffire Pro 26, ISA One, Adam P11A,
    #24
    Jump to:
    © 2024 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1