johnlewisgrant
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Which product gets me audio to midi?
Happily using sonar 8.5 studio for years. How much to upgrade to a version of Cake that gets me audio to midi conversion? (I use the midi side of Cake, mainly. But audio to midi sounds very cool.) Thnks, JG
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/17 17:50:35
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The simplest option is Melodyne available in Sonar Professional.
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/17 18:34:18
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Karyn The simplest option is Melodyne available in Sonar Professional.
But then you have to upgrade your Melodyne. I do believe Sonar has it's own audio to midi conversion.
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/17 18:46:26
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Karyn The simplest option is Melodyne available in Sonar Professional.
But then you have to upgrade your Melodyne. I do believe Sonar has it's own audio to midi conversion.
Pretty sure you are wrong. As far as I can tell this has never been a feature of Sonar.
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/17 18:46:27
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/17 18:51:01
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Melodyne Essential (the product included with SONAR Professional/Platinum) does audio to MIDI but cannot handle polyphonic audio, that requires an upgrade to Editor or Assistant. AudioSnap has a way to convert audio transients to a specified MIDI note.
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/17 18:53:52
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StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/17 20:10:18
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Vvocal can as well but not sure it was in 8.5
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johnlewisgrant
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/17 22:36:35
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I guess the question is which software is the easiest to use or, at least, does the best job of conversion. This is very useful info. I will check out Sonar 3 and/or Producer.
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/17 22:51:13
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Sonar 3? I don't think it had audio snap or VVocal or Melodyne.
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/17 23:10:53
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i think he means x3 because his initial post said 8.5.
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/17 23:23:01
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Attempts to convert polyphonic material to midi are likely to yield less tha ndesirable results. For monophonic material the version of melodyne included with Sonar is a good option, especially how easy it is to give it a test spin. dropping a monophonic audio clip on a midi instrument track will generate midi data
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
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johnlewisgrant
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/17 23:25:18
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No trials, it seems. i'll have to inquire about editor or assistant, prior to purchase.
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johnlewisgrant
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/17 23:34:48
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actually, i do really need polyphonic conversion..... and my x3 demo expired years ago! not sure the melodyne audio-midi conversion was even part of the package then.
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/17 23:53:00
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And be aware, if you need melodyne to add pitchbend data based on vibrato in notes you need melodyne studio.
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/17 23:59:46
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And also be aware that audio-to-MIDI is an imprecise science at best. As with any kind of translation, the simpler the source material, the more successful the translation.
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/18 01:19:27
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Which is where melodyne comes in handy because you can edit stray notes and filter out harmonics. This aspect at a functional level is 10x better than the vvocal implementation.
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/18 03:48:17
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Anderton And also be aware that audio-to-MIDI is an imprecise science at best. As with any kind of translation, the simpler the source material, the more successful the translation.
^^ This should be emphasised. I think it's more like a rule that people have very unrealistic expectations of audio-to-MIDI, no matter what software or DAW they're using.
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/18 04:53:47
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Anderton And also be aware that audio-to-MIDI is an imprecise science at best. As with any kind of translation, the simpler the source material, the more successful the translation.
I use Waves Tune and find it impressive and if anything overly accurate. You also get a massive amount of pitch controller for every transition - depending on the settings you use. But it's for single voice stuff, of course. Using Ultrapitch to throw everything up an octave first, I use it on bass too. Good to get midi for notation and maybe unison synth bass. Transpose midi down an octave again then.
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johnlewisgrant
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/18 08:25:49
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I'm seeing a different sort of issue and approach here: something that was done in Cubase--which I had a copy of about ten years ago--where audio peaks or "hitpoints" could be aligned with a midi file essentially by adjusting the TEMPO map. I think there's something more or less equivalent in most midi software, these days. Not the same thing, btw, as the function in 8.5 which allows you to "tap" in the tempo in a way that actually modifies the tempo map from beat to beat. (Useful, but not pinpoint accurate.) The old "hitpoint" in Cubase approach allowed a dead-on accurate beat by beat manual adjustment of a midi tempo track to fit an audio track. Probably old ground, here, but does Cakewalk now have an equivalent? (I think the modern equivalent in Cubase is called "Warptool" or "Audio Warp" or something along those lines.)
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/18 08:54:08
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You can match tempo to just about anything if that's what you want to do. Either use audiosnap to quantise the audio to the existing tempo, or keep the audio fixed and match the tempo to the audio. Your choice.
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johnlewisgrant
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/18 09:53:45
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I've tried audiosnap in 8.5. I couldn't get it to do FINE adjustments in midi tempo to make a midi file exactly and perfectly correspond to every beat, and subbeat (audio peak) of pre-existing audio file. I will research audiosnap one more time though. May be I'm missing something. i think the problem is that audiosnap isn't designed to do PRECISION MANUAL matching of every audio file "beat" to its corresponding "beat" or "note" in a midi file.
post edited by johnlewisgrant - 2015/02/18 10:03:05
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/18 10:36:26
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Audio to MIDI conversion works for drum replacement. If what your after is taking say a audio track of a piano or acoustic guitar and converting it to midi, good luck. It's just not going to happen in a hassle free way. Because we can edit audio like midi now with tools like Melodyne there is not much call for complicated conversions.
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johnlewisgrant
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
2015/02/18 10:52:42
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I'm not thinking audio to midi, the whole thing. No. Just something that will allow me to make very precise tempo adjustments to the midi file so that it "maps" exactly the audio file. I'm having a feeling that only cubase sx, which is ANCIENT, does it. Here's exactly what I'm referring to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOzRDwP6vZE But I guess there might be an equivalent in the latest Sonar? Maybe? Maybe not!
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Re: Which product gets me audio to midi?
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