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2017/02/17 16:28:12 (permalink)

Whiskey for Breakfast

A song about veterans with PTSD.  A cowrite with David Snyder
 
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Hope you enjoy the listen.  Comments welcome.
 
 
 

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/17 16:32:23 (permalink)
You have an authentic and honest voice.  Not as fond of the tune as I am your great lyrics!

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/17 16:48:10 (permalink)
Very honest sounding song Herb, I really like it. 
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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/17 16:53:24 (permalink)
Loved it Herb. Only crit maybe the lead vox had a tad too much verb.
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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/17 17:03:49 (permalink)
Herb, it's good to hear you again.  The message in this song is timely, whether about the civil war or today's battles.  I hear a lot of upper end in this mix but not as much warmth.  That's all I can say, as the performances are terrific.  Congrats!

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/18 07:38:32 (permalink)
eph221:  Hey, thanks for listening and commenting. I certainly appreciate it.
 
daryl1968:  Thanks. This was actually a quick write that surprised me due to the nature of the story and subject.
 
Bapu:  Quite surprising since the lead vox, IIRC is dry in the track. Perhaps it's the layering that is going that appearance of reverb. The layered vox tracks are 10dB down but I do have a heavier verb on them.
 
Lynn: I've been lurking for the past year or so and not really writing any "songs". It's good to come "out the the box" and write something as thought provoking as this. My co-writer on this, David, has been after me to write with him for a while. I guess it was a good matchup. Maybe we'll have to write some more stuff. It's good to be back...
I always double think my own mixes. Looking for the balance point. Thanks for your observations and comments. I went back and forth on the vox EQ trying to get it "right". My speakers tend to have a very mid low end tendency, whereas my cans are nice and bright. I spent quite a bit of time mixing this in the cans... took a break and then came back an listened on the speakers.

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/18 10:25:14 (permalink)
Herb, excellent mix, as I would expect from you.  I hear what Ed is suggesting about reverb, so its surprising to me that you don't have any verb on the lead vocal.  
 
The only other thing I might comment on is purely personal preference in tones.  I would like to hear a little more "thunk" out of the drums.  Maybe, a touch more Bass.  

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/18 11:26:22 (permalink)
I was wondering when we'd hear a new one Herb, guess you've been busy working on the new place
 
This is a well-written song, nicely presented.

 
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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/18 12:07:19 (permalink)
Very Nice.
 
Lyrics are spot on.
 
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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/18 19:14:43 (permalink)
Mike:  Getting that thunk and solid bass is critical.... I have to work on that to get it like I want without over doing it.  yeah, the vox track is dry. I don't think there's a verb turned on in the master either. However, there is a vocal buss and I know there might be one in there. The layered vox have their own verbs and they are pretty wet.  Wondering if you're not hearing that and thinking it's on the main.   Just thinking out loud.
 
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JR:  Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.
 
 

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/19 13:41:44 (permalink)
When I saw the title I thought you were covering the traditional fiddle tune, Whiskey Before Breakfast.  Here's our Sock Monkey Version. 
http://www.soundclick.com/html5/v3/player.cfm?type=single&songid=12782327&q=hi
 
Anyway Really like your song well done in a style I love myself.  
But I'll agree that something is too ambient about the vocals and needs toning down. 
And the bass is not really there. It might be masked by the low end of the acoustic guitar. But I like the sound you have going on that nice and full. 

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/19 19:07:00 (permalink)
Cactus Music... yes I know that song. A local musician in NC, Mike Cross, did a lot of bluegrass and Celtic music. He covered that tune as well.
 
Glad you listened and enjoyed it.

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/20 09:04:20 (permalink)
Hi Herb,
 
Really nice song! I have to agree that the reverb on the layered vocal is way too much. I'd try a mix with no reverb for comparison, then find a compromise.We spend all this money on reverb plugins its a shame we never get to show them off
 
Bass could come up a tad, and the kick as well.
 
Great job on this!
 
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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/20 16:52:54 (permalink)
Great song and nice mix. Maybe the lead vox is buried a tad behind, but I like the sound of everything.

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/20 20:58:40 (permalink)
Me like it!
 
No, there is definitely some reverb on that lead vocal, unless you recorded it in a washtub  :)
 
This is a really good song, that banjo propels it  . . . guitars work a treat. As you come out of that little bridge, dropping in volume, then back to the chorus - really nice arrangement!!!
 
Your voice is pretty perfect for this, just the right amount of twang, and you have a really good voice. But I just thought, wow I could hear Neil Young sing this. Call him up!!!
 
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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/21 07:46:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2017/02/21 08:12:17
Dan, I did a remix of this hitting the points you mentioned. Reverb levels, bass & Kick..... I haven't posted it up yet. 
 
The verb was coming mainly from the BGV, which there are 4 of them and they had some strong verb on them. That was washing into the mix and making it sound like the main vox was heavily verbed. 
 
I popped an EQ into the bass & drum track to bump the low end a bit.

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/23 14:50:36 (permalink)
Great song...  really well done. 
 
Mix-wise, like Lynn I hear a lot of hi and/or hi-mid frequency content, sort of like a smiley EQ curve.  I think a bit more "warmth" in the mids could be a positive for an acoustic based song like this.  Well worth it IMO.
 

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/23 14:54:01 (permalink)
Nice work Herb!

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/23 19:07:53 (permalink)
Herb, you're the real thing, you really are. This one just made my mouth drop open - your voice is really professional sounding. I love this sone - great songwriting.

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/02/24 08:44:07 (permalink)
Leizer, Emeraldsoul, stevec, slugbaby, and Mark..... thanks for dropping in for a few minutes.
 
I appreciate the comments on the production, that kinda breaks things up and keeps it interesting. I'll have a look at the EQ curve again....
 
I like to hear that this was a jew dropping experience for you Mark.... very nice compliment.
 
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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/03/13 07:16:01 (permalink)
Hey there! Nice work guy! 
 
At first I didn't like the distorted voice, but it really fits! It's a cool gritty technique. I would break out the vocals more out front during the chorus - dead centre and clearer (a bit anyhow). The acoustics are nicely panned. Would love to hear a bit more of the drumkit - snare & kick esp. Your songwriting is great. This is a classic country rock piece I could hear on the radio for sure! 
 
Congrats. Great bit of work here! :-)
 
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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/03/16 01:13:56 (permalink)
Hey Herb, from my perspective the song was so damn good all the little mix nuances didn't even register.  This is one excellent tune you guys came up with, and from what I heard it was a pretty good recording of it too.  Your lead vocal was perfect for this song.  Great job, guys!
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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/03/16 03:25:00 (permalink)
Hey, that's a catchy tune right there, mature and great sound.  That could be on the radio easy.  Very nicely played, sir.

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/03/25 14:46:03 (permalink)
Herb - this is excellent!  love the guitar work, acoustic sounds great in the mix.  electric is really well done.
 
I see you say you've done a revision with less verb on some of the vox, I'd like to hear that - first thing I thought as soon as I heard the first words was that there was too much verb.
 
other than the verb on the vox, this is a great song, great performances and great mix!

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/03/26 22:48:25 (permalink)
WOW! This sounds great Herb! Reminds me of Neil Young song wise but somebody who sounds better at singing. 
Mix wise, this sound perfect on my speakers, nothing to complain about mix wise. I wish I had your mixing skills, I remember a few years ago and hearing how you've continually gotten better. No doubt you've put in the work on the playing/singing and the mixing. 
 
Enjoyed hearing this one very much Herb! Thank you for sharing and Keep on Keepin' On my friend!
 

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/03/29 01:09:11 (permalink)
Just called in for a listen...

I generally listen to electronic stuff lately but I do also enjoy other stuff. This was a nice diversion.

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/03/31 12:44:44 (permalink)
OK....
 
I haven't been here for a few days.... time to catch up a bit.
 
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Reece,
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..... thanks for the detailed and kind comments.  I have a continuous debate with myself about levels on the vox and the eq as well. As I mentioned earlier, there are no plugs on the lead vox to give it a distorted character. That would be my natural singing there. I tried to put some attitude in this vocal due to the nature of the message that needed to be delivered. The main vox is also dry in the track and only gets a light master buss verb with everything else. There are several layered vocals that are identical to the lead that have more reverb and are down in the mix. I'm thinking that the reverb from those tracks are the source of the "excess" reverb mentioned.
Neil Young is one of my favorite songwriters and guitar players. To get that comparison is an honor. If you notice, the groove is very "Down by the River-ish" in it's feel.... with a bit of swing here and there. I'm sure that was merely a coincidence.
It's good to listen to other genre's from time to time. Glad you all dropped in and took the time to comment.

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/03/31 13:11:39 (permalink)
Herb, this is awesome. You know we spend a lot of time trying to make things better...but sometimes the honest truth is we should spend time appreciating what something really is. Maybe there is a minimum standard - like, you have to be able to speak the language for me to appreciate your poem, but see I can even argue against that because I can hear music in another language and it doesn't affect my appreciation.
 
Honestly dude, this is so good that I want the song! This is as close as you might get to a Dylan, Young or Stills & Nash song, both in it's honesty & brutal nature of being accurate with the emotion required to convey the truth of the thing. It's so good. And you know me - I say what I really think! There you go man - good job, very good job! I love the lyrics and the hook, just phenomenal. 

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/03/31 13:12:37 (permalink)
BTW - I didn't read anyone elses review before I made my comment. So - you know my ears are fresh.
 

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Re: Whiskey for Breakfast 2017/03/31 14:33:41 (permalink)
really nice tune herb.....
this is pretty straight up rockin',
with a touch of the country flavor, this is the kind of stuff i usually hear on the CMA awards..
i like the mix as is.
 
i def hear reverb on the vox,
so if it's not applied directly, it's getting there as an 'after-effect' of having it across something else that has the vox routed thru it...
 
i think with a song like this, the entire thing is carried on the vocal..
so it should be loud and proud like it is.
 
i really like the bridge on this thing......
 

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