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Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
I have spent the last 28 years in investment banking. i have worked on several billion in capital raises. Heck I would consider buying Cakewalk if I hadn't lost most of everything in a bitter nasty divorce. There are always options in rescuing something. Obviously price is a big part of the analysis. As important tho is retaining talent. If Gibson wants to entertain sales ideas, it needs to happen very soon. The more talent that departs, the less value there is in the product line. Ditto on preserving customers. Surely we can come up with a name in the Gibson Corporate Suite that someone could contact and get an idea of what key financial metrics are (revenues, cash flow, liabilities...) and an idea on potential valuation. Bakers - PM me. All of my experience is raising money for energy so software and music is way out of my professional expertise, but i do understand the process. And I have done it many times.
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/21 23:32:38
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I'm all inn. Lets buy Cake and make it our own.
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/22 04:58:38
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☄ Helpfulby bayoubill 2017/11/26 20:08:35
Jarsve! C'mon! Everyone knows you can't have your Cake and eat it too! (I must admit though, I was thinking along the same lines as Maurice...)
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/22 18:14:13
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/11/28 00:50:45
If only there was a CW forum member that had Henry's phone number.............
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/22 19:40:34
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Here's the problem as I see it for any potential buyer. A significant number of the user base are eligible for "free lifetime updates". If the only revenue source is new users, financial solvency is going to be an "uphill slog" at best. Am I interested in joining a syndicate with the express purpose of keeping Cakewalk "alive and well"? Oh, hell YES! But the user base is going to have to agree to some kind of annual renewal fee. I don't see that happening... But, I would be willing to invest if something could be worked out. T
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/22 19:46:28
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I doubt anyone will realistically expect the "free lifetime updates" to continue, but would prefer to still have a company behind the product when the other option is nothing.
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/22 21:02:39
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I doubt Gibson is interested in selling the company. Obviously they want to write the brand off, but hold onto the intellectual property.... Gibson essentially, "corporately raided," cakewalk. Sorry, but that is reality Go watch the movie Wall Street, or Other People's Money
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/22 23:56:55
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"Gibson essentially, "corporately raided," cakewalk" To what end? "doubt anyone will realistically expect the "free lifetime updates" to continue" Change the narrative to "Cakewalk is proud to announce the new SONAR Titanium" thus eliminating further development of SONAR Platinum. The hate and vitriol would melt down the servers the forum is on. Just sayin'... T
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/26 17:59:53
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Wow...I had no idea until you gave me the heads up...At first I didn't know what you were referencing, but it has happened...I've spent a lot of money and time staying current with this software over a 25-year period. Now I've got all these projects, plugins, and gear, and I'm thinking, "...how do I stay updated on future technology, because it's certainly coming in one form or another. It makes me think about switching to Propellerheads or Cubase...If I can ever afford it..
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/27 22:51:10
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Try switching to a system with a under five year code why go to the old boys when the new kid on the block is wizzing. It's got to be the One
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/28 00:44:03
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Linear Phase I doubt Gibson is interested in selling the company. Obviously they want to write the brand off, but hold onto the intellectual property.... Gibson essentially, "corporately raided," cakewalk. Sorry, but that is reality Go watch the movie Wall Street, or Other People's Money
I am afraid you are massively overvaluing the "intellectual property." Without active development, there are a few SONAR-only effects, and a couple of very old in the tooth synths. That is a very crowded market and many of the products in that very large group will have access to bug fixes and updates to keep them running in new versions of the OS. Would you pay a high price for the Cakewalk synths now? SONAR itself requires constant attention, and finding a crew to come in and resurrect it after losing your development and support staff would be far more expensive than keeping it open. Apparently Cakewalk was losing money when it was dumped by Roland, and rather than being "raided" for its copyrights and trade names, it was supposed to have been a turnaround. Gibson may have screwed the pooch on the rescue, but if a raid was the plan they would have broken it up and sold the better stuff years ago, while it still had some shelf life.
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/28 00:55:51
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DeeringAmps Here's the problem as I see it for any potential buyer. A significant number of the user base are eligible for "free lifetime updates". If the only revenue source is new users, financial solvency is going to be an "uphill slog" at best.
Which makes you wonder why they implemented free lifetime updates at all. I'm sure we'd have all been pretty happy to carry on shelling out $99 - $199 every year like always if it gave the business a firmer financial footing. To me, it all seemed a bit desperate at the time.
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/28 09:44:31
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The real question is not really the sale price but the amount of debt that one would have to assume. One could always call Gibson corp and see who would talk to you about it. If they were serious and thought you were serious about buying, someone would get on the phone.
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/28 11:16:24
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☄ Helpfulby paulo 2017/11/28 21:02:16
It doesn't seem like a great start if you're asking who to contact in a public internet forum.
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/28 13:15:29
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DrLumen The real question is not really the sale price but the amount of debt that one would have to assume. One could always call Gibson corp and see who would talk to you about it. If they were serious and thought you were serious about buying, someone would get on the phone.
Exactly. Beats me why anyone would consider buying a failed company, unless you were a competitor and the assets and client base were worth having.
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/28 15:57:03
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jamesg1213
DrLumen The real question is not really the sale price but the amount of debt that one would have to assume. One could always call Gibson corp and see who would talk to you about it. If they were serious and thought you were serious about buying, someone would get on the phone.
Exactly. Beats me why anyone would consider buying a failed company, unless you were a competitor and the assets and client base were worth having.
Or you're a wealthy fan of Cakewalk with money to burn!
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/28 19:47:42
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CASH MONEY TALKS. and, that's about all. if you are sitting on a big pile of cash, i'm sure they'll do business with you. otherwise, it falls under that 'pie in the sky' category.
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/28 19:53:14
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jamesg1213 unless you were a competitor and the assets and client base were worth having.
Software assets (IMO) are worthless to the competitors (especially those that are multi-platform). Now the competitors are addressing the customer base by offering lower than BF Sales cross grade offers. Simples.
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/28 21:00:31
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bapu
jamesg1213 unless you were a competitor and the assets and client base were worth having.
Software assets (IMO) are worthless to the competitors (especially those that are multi-platform). Now the competitors are addressing the customer base by offering lower than BF Sales cross grade offers. Simples.
Yes, that was my point really. When I was in manufacturing our closest rival went into liquidation and we bought the assets for a knock-down price. Effectively increased our client base by about 75% and got a whole factory full of machinery into the bargain. Different kettle o' fish to software.
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/28 21:09:17
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/11/28 21:10:42
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bapu
jamesg1213 unless you were a competitor and the assets and client base were worth having.
Software assets (IMO) are worthless to the competitors (especially those that are multi-platform). Now the competitors are addressing the customer base by offering lower than BF Sales cross grade offers. Simples.
Yes, that was my point really. When I was in manufacturing our closet rival went into liquidation and we bought the assets for a knock-down price. Effectively increased our client base by about 75% and got a whole factory full of machinery into the bargain. Different kettle o' fish to software.
Did your rival eventually come out of the closet?
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/28 21:15:23
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well done..
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/28 21:17:50
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Yes paulo is well done. And pungent two.
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/28 21:19:20
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space_cowboy I have spent the last 28 years in investment banking. i have worked on several billion in capital raises. Heck I would consider buying Cakewalk if I hadn't lost most of everything in a bitter nasty divorce. There are always options in rescuing something. Obviously price is a big part of the analysis. As important tho is retaining talent. If Gibson wants to entertain sales ideas, it needs to happen very soon. The more talent that departs, the less value there is in the product line. Ditto on preserving customers. Surely we can come up with a name in the Gibson Corporate Suite that someone could contact and get an idea of what key financial metrics are (revenues, cash flow, liabilities...) and an idea on potential valuation. Bakers - PM me. All of my experience is raising money for energy so software and music is way out of my professional expertise, but i do understand the process. And I have done it many times.
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/28 22:39:14
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Hi, Gibson: You are gonna teach someone new to play? We're too busy making new crap instruments, and cardboard copies of older ones.
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/28 22:48:33
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Moshkito Hi, Gibson: You are gonna teach someone new to play? We're too busy making new crap instruments, and cardboard copies of older ones.
Cakewalk: No GEEKS ever left behind! Forget the music! (Quoting Kacewalk and Sibgon) CH and CHB: Who/what are they? Anyone cares? (Thread locked to prevent answers!)
Hi Pedalboard, that's the most sense you've ever made in here.
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
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Linear Phase I doubt Gibson is interested in selling the company. Obviously they want to write the brand off, but hold onto the intellectual property.... ...
The intellectual property is worthless if there is nothing for it to be used on, and its time is long gone by ... it's the same thing with publishing these days ... don't even think "paper", because the money in it is dropping so fast, that the best thing to do is to grab some money out of it and let it out of the house before it stinks up the floors! This has been the case with my own father's publishing ... in 36 different languages that I heard about ... but the continuing interest? Not a cent for the children ... so thinking that holding on to some intebullest of something or other is probably like holding ... your dead child. Saddest thing in your eyes, mind and memory ... and tomorrow, you will still cry ... but you have to go back to work, because they don't care! I call it the memememememe generation ... gets their way ... and will one day ... find that ...
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Re: Who do we talk to at Gibson about a possible purchase?
2017/11/29 03:47:48
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DrLumen The real question is not really the sale price but the amount of debt that one would have to assume. One could always call Gibson corp and see who would talk to you about it. If they were serious and thought you were serious about buying, someone would get on the phone.
Exactly. Beats me why anyone would consider buying a failed company, unless you were a competitor and the assets and client base were worth having.
Agreed. If Gibson goes into liquidation the judge may order that CW be auctioned off. At that point someone may be able to get it for a song. However, there would be companies, like avid or steinberg, that would want to bid and buy CW just to make sure it stays closed.
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