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Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
Can we do a quick bass roundup... We've got Scarbee, Manytone, the sounds in Dim Pro ( of which I wish there were a zillion more. ) Maybe not a zillion..
Anybody using Trillian? Any good? What do you like about it...
What/who else? I'm looking for killer bass... Like, "wanted for questioning," bass! Has to be bass guitar, not a synth that's good on bass ie "massive."
Cheers...
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/18 20:53:30
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Linear Phase
Can we do a quick bass roundup... We've got Scarbee, Manytone, the sounds in Dim Pro ( of which I wish there were a zillion more. ) Maybe not a zillion..
Anybody using Trillian? Any good? What do you like about it...
What/who else? I'm looking for killer bass... Like, "wanted for questioning," bass! Has to be bass guitar, not a synth that's good on bass ie "massive."
Cheers...
I hear that Spectrasonics Trillion is supposed to be the best around but I've never tried it.
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/18 21:41:48
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Spectrasonics Trillion is THE bass VI that all other should be judged by. Absolutely the best sound around.
Unfortunately it is SO large that a demo is not available but there are several videos available on YouTube and at Spectrasonics website that should give you a real good idea of its potential.
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/18 21:41:59
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Also... http://www.orangetreesamples.com/jaco OTS stuff is top notch, if you have Kontakt full. Word has it he's also working on a rick bass library... Can't wait for that... Lyrical Distortion has some decent basses for real cheap and multi-format... http://www.lyricaldistortion.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=3_5 AcousticSamples has some decent basses as well... used to be Kontakt, now UVI engine only... so bring your iLok... http://acousticsamples.net/bass Adding some more here... There's Chris Hein Bass library, which is Kontakt-based, but doesn't require Kontakt full... Also, Vir2 BASiS is also a Kontakt player library (Kontakt full not required)...
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/18 21:54:58
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/18 22:21:51
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oooooooh that linear phase stuff look intriguing, at 10$ too. Worth the gamble on a couple
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/18 23:16:49
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Another +1 for Orange Tree. Right up there with the NI Scarbee bases. The Lyrical Distortion stuff is great for the price. I use them with Kontakt I have not tried the SFZ versions in Dim Pro. Yellowtools Majestic is a bit long in the tooth but if you don't have Kontakt you get a decent range of sounds for 99 Euros.
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/19 00:31:31
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keith
Lyrical Distortion has some decent basses for real cheap and multi-format... http://www.lyricaldistortion.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=3_5
Hi.. It says on the website they are compatible with SFZ... Have you loaded these into Dim Pro, or Rapture ( full version ), Do they work alright?
No I haven't loaded them into DimPro or similar... You could email Aaron if you have any questions. He's always been responsive when I've contacted him in the past. Keep in mind, the total size of those sets is 1GB, 1.5GB, etc., so depending on number of articulations in each SFZ of the set you'll be eating a lot of memory if you're not using a streaming SFZ player/sampler. Of course, you don't get the nifty scripted articulation mappings like you do with Kontakt either, so you might end up doing some of your own mappings, etc., depending on the sampler engine you import the SFZs into, and your patience for such things... For "serious" high end insturment libraries like OTS, Kontakt is the way to go, IMO... Some more decent bass libraries I forgot to mention... http://www.pettinhouse.com/html/directbass.html http://www.store.precisionsound.net/monzterbazzinfo.php http://impactsoundworks.com/products/instrumental/shreddage-bass-picked-edition http://www.prominy.com/SR5.htm (Kontakt player instrument... and it's hugemongous...)
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/19 01:04:06
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Since it was mentioned--yup, I am indeed working on another bass library right now, a Rickenbacker 4003. Because a lot of times you'll need something that sounds realistic when playing repetitive notes, I've sampled the library with 32x round-robin. That means that you can play one note 32 times before it will repeat the original sample in the round-robin cycle. There are a bunch of other features that provide realistic legato, contextual release samples, and much more.
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/19 01:34:13
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Keep in mind, the total size of those sets is 1GB, 1.5GB, etc., so depending on number of articulations in each SFZ of the set you'll be eating a lot of memory if you're not using a streaming SFZ player/sampler. Of course, you don't get the nifty scripted articulation mappings like you do with Kontakt either, so you might end up doing some of your own mappings, etc., depending on the sampler engine you import the SFZs into, and your patience for such things... For "serious" high end insturment libraries like OTS, Kontakt is the way to go, IMO.
The plot thickens... Ah.. The scripting controls the articulations. hmmm, that does seem quite important. I always wondered --> "kontakt scripting = purpose please." Eating ram with streaming sfz.. also doesn't sound so hot.
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/19 05:48:14
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Trilian is big and it's much more than a bass guitar synth. It's got tonnes of other basses. Reading this http://www.spectrasonics.net/products/trilian.php gives a sense of it's enormity - typical Spectrasonics. What do you like it about it? Err... everything! Overkill though if you just want a bass guitar. Best deal they did was Trilogy with upgrade to Trilian. Two great packages in one for less than Trilian sells for now. Trilogy is smaller and less CPU intensive so is good for the ideas stage. I don't see it for sale secondhand that often and Spectrasonics have a transfer policy that's so slow it came a distant third behind the tortoise and the hare. The classic that comes with Kontakt sounds really goood and is used by many. I still have my Broomstick bass - takes us back to a simpler time when there was less choice. http://www.bornemark.se/bb/index.htm
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/19 05:57:02
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I always wondered --> "kontakt scripting = purpose please."
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Scripts control how the sample is played. Its no longer just a case of hit the key and the sample plays. All sorts of other parameters can be controled by the script making the instrument more versatile and expressive.
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/19 07:17:07
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on the lYrical distortion site it says Now Available in the following Formats!
Kontakt (scripted and individual articulation patches)
Sfz
EXS
Independence
HALion
Reason
MachFive
Giga2
and then gives the options, but the buttons are fixed to select all What To DownloadPart 1 '72 Jazz Multi '72 Jazz Giga '72 Jazz M5b http://www.lyricaldistortion.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_5&products_id=17 (they get the price wrong at the bottom of the screen (right on some of the basses, but not consistant, when you add to check out it goes to the correct $10) I'm after SFZs does this mean the samples are only available for download in 3 formats, none of which are SFZs?
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/19 07:39:44
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Scoot
I'm after SFZs does this mean the samples are only available for download in 3 formats, none of which are SFZs?
If I recall correctly the SFZ, Independence and Kontakt formats are all in the Multi All three formant use WAV files, so there is only one set of those, but there will be a small SFZ, NKI and what ever Independence uses files to map the samples in the relevent software.
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/19 08:09:01
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Cheers Thanks, so I get the lot in all
It's been ages since I programmed an SFZ file, wasn't sure if it came with the script file. I think I used Excell to remove the repatative nature and risks of errors
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/19 08:25:12
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After you've paid you get the option of what you want to downloads, and get a number of attempts. SO I guess if you like on Dimension pro, and upgrade to Kontact later, you can download the alternative format. Seeems cool to me, though it may be standard nowadays. The PDF downlaod confirms your advice “- - - -” Multi Kontakt EXS Sfz Independence HALion Reason NN-XT (each formats instruments are archived within, just extract the format you need)
“- - - -” Giga Giga2
“- - - -” M5b MachFive
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/19 10:19:11
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Greg's Rickenbacker is going to be a hit, I think. 32x round-robin? Nobody's done that before. Where sampled basses usually fall down is on slides, and Greg's the king of slides. Even without hearing it, it's already on my wishlist.
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/19 10:42:20
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Trillian. The "Acoustic Upright" is simply the most realistic I've certainly heard (if you're into acoustic realism). The "Electric Fretless" is one I use and abuse all the time. There's a learning curve involved in familiarizing yourself with the interface and the gazillion features available, but I do consider it an investment when taking into account the end results.  Note: Since purchasing Trillian, I simply don't feel the need to look elsewhere.
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/19 15:30:44
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Scoot
After you've paid you get the option of what you want to downloads, and get a number of attempts. SO I guess if you like on Dimension pro, and upgrade to Kontact later, you can download the alternative format. Seeems cool to me, though it may be standard nowadays.
The PDF downlaod confirms your advice
“- - - -” Multi Kontakt EXS Sfz Independence HALion Reason NN-XT (each formats instruments are archived within, just extract the format you need)
“- - - -” Giga Giga2
“- - - -” M5b MachFive
Scoot... So you've got em? Are you using Kontakt? Can you load a few sounds in Dim Pro, and please report on the findings? I'd like some unbiased thoughts... :-) Are the basses as dirty, aggravating and cool as they look in the photos? ( one would sure hope ) :p Cheers mate...
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/19 18:46:22
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I've not got Kontakt, so aiming to use just with Dimension pro. I'm not intedning on using too many samples as a basis to my music, beyond percussion that is. So can't warrent paying out for another sampler format
I'm not massively familiar with SFZ files, but have edited the session drummer files before, so should be able to get my head around it. I'm not too familiar with Dimension Pro either, beyond loading up presets and basic editing, and have hit the hurdle of the following error message
Cannot find the C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Dimension Pro\sfzlog.txt
When it loads up the SFZ file.
I' going away for the weekend in a couple of hours, so may not get the chance to figure out before then, so will report back next week
I've just downloaded the '72 Jazz Bass Direct samples, so completly clean, I'll add distortion from the Guitar Rig and Re-Valver when I need, rather than go for distorted samples.
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/19 19:56:15
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Trilian. For comprehensiveness.
Orange Tree. For unique flavors.
Scarbee/NI. For old school (i.e. 70s and 80s)
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/20 02:10:23
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Scoot
I'm not too familiar with Dimension Pro either, beyond loading up presets and basic editing, and have hit the hurdle of the following error message
Cannot find the C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Dimension Pro\sfzlog.txt
When it loads up the SFZ file.
I' going away for the weekend in a couple of hours, so may not get the chance to figure out before then, so will report back next week
I've just downloaded the '72 Jazz Bass Direct samples, so completly clean, I'll add distortion from the Guitar Rig and Re-Valver when I need, rather than go for distorted samples.
They should also play back using SFZ, the SFZ player bundled with Sonar.
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/07/20 15:19:44
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Scoot
I've not got Kontakt, so aiming to use just with Dimension pro. I'm not intedning on using too many samples as a basis to my music, beyond percussion that is. So can't warrent paying out for another sampler format
I'm not massively familiar with SFZ files, but have edited the session drummer files before, so should be able to get my head around it. I'm not too familiar with Dimension Pro either, beyond loading up presets and basic editing, and have hit the hurdle of the following error message
Cannot find the C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Dimension Pro\sfzlog.txt
When it loads up the SFZ file.
I' going away for the weekend in a couple of hours, so may not get the chance to figure out before then, so will report back next week
I've just downloaded the '72 Jazz Bass Direct samples, so completly clean, I'll add distortion from the Guitar Rig and Re-Valver when I need, rather than go for distorted samples.
Have a great weekend, come back and let us know, please.. :-) Cheers
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
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Sorry Linear Phase, I'm just posting to say it's unlikely I'll get a chance to get these bass sample working in the next 2 years. I tried in both Dim Pro and SFZ player. An error message in the Dim Pro and seem to load, but no sound in SFZ. I think the SFZ files have a incapatablity issue somewhere, but I'm not getting a chance to pin point where. In the SFZ files that come with sonar, the regions are listed sequentially, where as on the files provieded, they are listed vertically. I don't know if these is an issue or not, it's just the obvious difference. I had intended on just re-writting one region sequentially and seeing if that sorted and if it did, using MS Excell to extract the detials from the file and creat a new txt file from it.
Just had my house mate spring moving out 8 months earlier than indicated, so instead of finding a new housemate, I'm of to South East Asia for a year or two, maybe more to travel and teach English
Nothing wrong with the wav files, they play, I'd suggest getting one guitar and messing with it, then buying more if you fancy and get successful results
Sorry I couldn't be of more help
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2012/08/11 00:13:14
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Thank you Scoot..
I read your post earlier today, but I just got around to saying thanks. :-) I hope you have good journeys... I know I would be. Asia.. sounds fun.
cheers
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
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Wow, this was a little surreal for me, sorry to revive an old thread, but feels right to finish it. So yesterday I saw cclarry's post in the Deal's section and thought do I get the Amplesound J-bass. Realising I own a set of Jazz72 samples, I was google searching this forum for information for good bass guitar synths, and found this thread with my post. "Sorry Linear Phase, I'm just posting to say it's unlikely I'll get a chance to get these bass sample working in the next 2 years. I tried in both Dim Pro and SFZ player. An error message in the Dim Pro and seem to load, but no sound in SFZ. I think the SFZ files have a incapatablity issue somewhere, but I'm not getting a chance to pin point where. In the SFZ files that come with sonar, the regions are listed sequentially, where as on the files provieded, they are listed vertically. I don't know if these is an issue or not, it's just the obvious difference. I had intended on just re-writting one region sequentially and seeing if that sorted and if it did, using MS Excell to extract the detials from the file and creat a new txt file from it. Just had my house mate spring moving out 8 months earlier than indicated, so instead of finding a new housemate, I'm of to South East Asia for a year or two, maybe more to travel and teach English" Wow reading that and realising this was the day I took my life on a different journey took me back. It is now 2 years later and I am now an English Teacher happily living in Vietnam, and am now again thinking of sorting this samples problem. As an English teacher I am disappointed in the spelling errors in that post too.  So I don't know what happened, why I was getting the error messages I had before. Maybe I just needed to re-start Sonar, maybe I had tried that, maybe Dim-Pro had a little fix as it a version that came with X3 upgrade. But these samples in SFZ format do work in Dim-Pro. Go to C:\program files\Cakewalk\Dimension Pro\Multisamples Create a Folder - 72 Jazz Bass Add the samples folder Add the SFZ files Open Sonar, open Dimension Pro, click on the 'Empty' box under the Elements buttons (E1,E2 etc), find the SFZ folder and load I do get an error message of some sort open in notepad 'Unknown opcode: gain_cc7', but closing this causes no issues. You cannot find these in the program option as you haven't got any program files, but once you have created one from the above method, then you can save one. Because I now have Rapture, I tried the same in process in Rapture, but looked in the Dimension Pro Multisamples folder, as they were saved their, and they worked the same too, even the same 'Unknown opcode: gain_cc7' which was expected. Now I have good reason to get my head around rapture, and layering a bass synth could get nice a funky.
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2014/11/19 02:18:24
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AcousticSamples has some decent basses as well... used to be Kontakt, now UVI engine only... so bring your iLok...
http://acousticsamples.net/bass
iLok is an option but it's no longer require to run UVI workstation.
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Re:Who else makes killer bass guitar sample instruments, beside Scarbee/Native Ins?
2014/11/19 03:02:41
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Alegria
Trillian.
Note: Since purchasing Trillian, I simply don't feel the need to look elsewhere.
That is my feeling as well, never felt the need to look any further, both with Trilogy and now Trilian, although now days I'll usually just play the bass parts myself.
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