Maybe, with the trend to "non linear" composition it should go round in circles. In fact it would be relly cool if it was like a vortex

yorolpal


Yes, user selectable would be great.  However, we all (those of us who actually play the piano) read (if we even do such a thing) our music in horizontally orientated clefs from left to right.  I don't think you'll find any trained pianist who reads vertically.  But I've been wrong before.

Google KLAVARSKRIBO or  KLAVAR notation.

Beagle


This comes up every once in a while (...wicked for one I know has requested it more than once).  but I personally don't care for it.  I like it like it is.

here's one of them.  there are several others.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=1766551&high=horizontal+piano

Yes

I think the best solution would be a floating keyboard/piano roll view, so that it can be flipped from the vertical position and to horizontal. All people would be happy then, those who are used to the way it is now, and those who would feel more comfortable with a horizontal layout.

my thoughts exactly....and with an accurate, stop analysis, where it would freeze note names in every view by a specified time and measure(s)..

YES YES YES! I have always wanted it this way. Seems like it would be an easy feature to implement. I would love it.

Susan G


I'm of two minds about this, so I guess that means I vote for an option. OTOH, I'm so used to seeing the PRV represented this way that I'm fine with it, and I'd rather see other things addressed first.

-Susan

+1
 
Part of the existing PRV is the view of time or measures. To me it would take some getting used to to see time vertically rather than horizontally. Also, to throw another twist to the mix, if an option is made to show the piano horizontally, maybe a sub- option is to have the piano horizontally at the top or bottom and would the events be scrolling up or down ? :D
 
Balbs

Well, a piano player would find a horizontal keyboard a strange idea ?

I think that most people would adjust to a horizontal keyboard in the piano roll and vertical data scrolling very fast. This really shouldn't tax anybody's creative powers. However, this feature is asked for in addition to the current piano roll view, not to replace it.

I wonder if anyone here has any experience with hardware workstations ? Some have a horizontal keyboard with horizontal note display - yet another way to show the info ! It works great as well. No confusion at all.

My Yamaha SY77 has this implementation. Before I ever got into making music on a computer, my Yamaha was a workhorse for me ( one of a few hardware workstations I used) and I found the horizontal keyboard so helpful, since it was very easy to read what chords I have played. I could load an old song, and if I couldn't remember what I played, looking at the keyboard would help me instantly. Sonar is even worse than my old Yamaha in this regard as it will not highlight notes being shows/played in the piano roll ! Bad, bad, very bad !

I would want it at the bottom of the piano roll window, but I would want the notes to float from right to left, so the keys would need to be highlighted. Alternatively, I would also want the keybaord to be floatable, so that I could take it to a separate area if need be. So in should it would have to be configurable. No problems waiting till Sonar 10 for that.

RMX


I would want it at the bottom of the piano roll window, but I would want the notes to float from right to left, so the keys would need to be highlighted. Alternatively, I would also want the keybaord to be floatable, so that I could take it to a separate area if need be. So in should it would have to be configurable. No problems waiting till Sonar 10 for that.

You see the light ! Yes !

There could be a two stage process to it:
1. Click 'Flip keyboard' - and see the keyboard either floating or attached to the bottom. The notes scroll horizontally.

want the notes to scroll vertically ( so that they fall on the keyboard keys)  ?

2. Click 'Flip Piano Roll'

Done. All viewing possibilities covered.

A few people have mentioned it and while I did not pick up on it at the time the reason I like the current vertical keyboard view must be it's relation to notation.

The notation system has lasted 100's years, there must be some logic in it.

I learnt to read and write notation way back in the mists of time when I was using SH101, MC202 and 303 mono synths and multitracking them on 4 track cassette. The only way you could acheive any thing was to write each part out on paper before you started.

I support having the option to rotate the view, I doubt if I would use it myself though.

I like it how it is because as the midi notes are higher on the screen it represents a higher note on the keyboard, which works for my brain. Also, reading the notes left to right works for me better-

Interesting suggestion though I must say, customizable would be the solution i think-

when i first read this thread i didnt have an opinion either way-
i remember seeing the PRV first time waaaay  back and thinking it was odd that it's vertical (like Mike eluded to)-never gave it second thought until now.
It would make it easier to visualize things i suppose-especially my wart notes.

I am so used to the vertical layout now that i can honestly say that if it required the bakers a lot work to change it or make it floating, it may not be worth the development time and money to change it.
Time and money could be better spent in other areas of our beloved Sonar.
that said- if it were an easy fix-they should go for it-
i could certainly get used to the horizontal and may even prefer it-but that remains to be seen

This has been an interesting discussion