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Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
I watched a new tutorial on how to setup a non-ACT device. I was surprised that there was compatibility with Axiom keyboards and the like. Who is using this functionality and how is it going for you?
I've been thinking of getting one of the keyboard controllers with all the knobs, faders and trigger pads for a while.
What do YOU recommend?
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/11 11:47:16
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Although I have a MCU+XT, I do still use both a PCR and my ZED-R16 with ACT, mainly for ease of use while I'm either tracking so closer to the mixer or at the keyboard, and also for plugin control.
It works fine for me but setting them up initially is a bit of an art. I rarely use the faders on the PCR although it does work fine. But if you've ever used motorised faders, non-motorised seem a bit cumbersome.
Where both surfaces really help me most is just accessing stuff I use all the time by button presses. Such as resetting meters, turning on MIDI sync, etc.
One thing to be aware of if your chosen controller doesn't have a surface preset is that there is a difference between MIDI learn, teaching the ACT properties which physical controller relates to which cell and ACT learn, which teaches each cell which software function it relates to.
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/11 16:19:57
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I don't recomend using ACT at all - this is waste of time, moreover ACT is like dinosaurus - eons ago it was something, now it is just another "slice in rock in Great Canyon".
I didn't found any reasons to use ACT - hard to configure, sh*tty mapping and learning functions, unreliable, you can't do device mapping your way, so you have to use instant mappings which are as great as novemper rainy evening.
I use ACT because I have to (sometimes), and I still wait for something more clever from Cakewalk.....
Go as far from ACT as you can, use Novation with Automap instead, use even Behringer BCF2000 with Mackie Mode emulation. Everything is better than ACT, any other (even totally unprofessional) DAW has much better solutions than ACT.
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/11 16:21:00
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btw. if there is SOMEONE who can do ACT maps for specific hardware, I even PAY FOR IT!
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/11 17:23:42
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adrian4u
I don't recomend using ACT at all - this is waste of time, moreover ACT is like dinosaurus - eons ago it was something, now it is just another "slice in rock in Great Canyon". dinosaur? no, it's quite good and works fine for me. All new devices like V-Studio use still that technology, plus ACT MIDI Controller can be configured to support any generic midi controller, I found out configuration is not that hard if you can prepare this ACT xml config file properly....
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/11 17:31:00
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adrian4u
btw. if there is SOMEONE who can do ACT maps for specific hardware, I even PAY FOR IT!
working on it.
post edited by kc2ine - 2011/09/11 17:32:09
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/11 23:00:46
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ACT was great in 8.5 32bit.. i had the PCR800 setup as a dedicated CS. i havent had time to set it up in X1 ..but i had synth, plugin, and console view parameters assigned to different control maps. i only needed the mouse if i didnt know a keyboard shortcut. i will delve back into to it this week along with screensets.CS intergration is a nice luxuary man the more nobs, sliders, faders, pads for triggering the better..ignore the resident(dickhead)poster about one fader being enough..
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/12 01:22:50
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kc2ine
adrian4u
btw. if there is SOMEONE who can do ACT maps for specific hardware, I even PAY FOR IT!
working on it.
I'll send you PM today, we'll see :) btw. ACT without MIDI feedback, without visual feedback (maybe on Behringer mapping only?) - just look at Ableton ad the way you can write scripts there..... and how the factory scripts work in Ableton.....  If you can get rid of it - I'm very interested in cooperation with you.
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/12 08:25:58
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i have a mackie mcupro and the C4 which i love, but the C4 isnt really programmable. it maps to vsts and has a useful preconfigured setup, but you cant assign on the fly because its not ACT or regular midi. i once bought a novation CS that looked great, but when i learned more about automap and the duplication of all my plugins and not being able to use it with old or existing projects, i took it right back. Automap just isnt for me. as one of you mentioned, act can setup non act devices quite nicely, there is a great video about it which prompted this thread. i went into sonar to see which CSs already had presets in the drop down menu and i was suprised to see some devices i had dismissed as not being sonar friendly. anyone have an opinion on axiom vs. the pcr or apro line?
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/12 10:02:42
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Hi all,i use ACT with my PCR M50 to control console and plug ins,perfect!!
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/12 11:31:32
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So - maybe someone will make a little tutorial: "ACT for idiots" or something.....
not only using ACT, but especially - make custom maps for ACT.
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/12 11:36:34
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/12 11:59:45
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There's many tutorials about ACT , how to set up and how to use it ect..
For me I would rather use midi learn if I can. Its just as easy to disable that knob and reassign to the knob/ parameter you wanna tweak..
Although Act dose work. It is completely finicky , I like to see a save of some sort/ template being used so we dont have to go through those pain staking process over and over, I just never use Act just for the reason if I restart I have to remap out the settings everytime with out fail. And my Akai Mpk 49 has to be reset at every restart, a simple unplug of the usb enables my controller again for use but very annoying..
I would love to see ACT completely changed up in newer versions of Sonar, and more control use of midi learn, as it was taken away at some level inside of sonar, for instance I have a plugin called Turnado and midi learn onto there knobs can not be done , I can ACT to work but midi learn dose not work. If I load up that effect in standalone I can midi learn with no problem.. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong but right clicking should allow me to midi learn those parameters to a knob, and it dose not..
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/12 13:20:35
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I use Cakewalk Generic Surface in X1C and my controller of choice is Akai APC40. It took time to set up. But I use it regularly. I use ACT Control Surface on my Maudio Axiom49. The problem that I have run into is... some of the "x"64 plugins have by far more buttons / knobs / sliders and rotaries that easily map to the plug-ins; so, I end up defaulting to the mouse AKA- the time killer. EVEN the sonitus plug-ins have a control or two more than maps easily to the surfaces.
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/12 15:08:58
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We have another issue here - MIDI learn.
Not every plugin - which works perfectly in other DAW - allows MIDI mapping in Sonar.
Moreover I foun that there are problems with "click and map" in some plugins - as mapping is permanently assigned to controller knobs, no mather if the track with plugin is active or not.
And - who was so clever to don't allow mapping for efx if they are mappable? To get into MIDI options for AVOX, Guitar Rig or others, I have to make them not EFX but SYNTHS!
It's only Sonar-specific issue.
And yes - you'll find many post here I'm wondering about Cakewalk developers and what they was thinking about when they was designing and developing Sonar. But while I'm angry I'm glad, that there is Sonar, not only messy and illogical Cubase.
But - to be honest - Sonar, with some of it's "prehistorical" and non-flexible features is just looking on the back of (i.e.) Ableton.
Just compare MIDI and audio routing capabilities, mapping, ease....
I wish that Sonar will take the best of Ableton.
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/12 15:11:37
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1: There's many tutorials about ACT , how to set up and how to use it ect..
2: For me I would rather use midi learn if I can. Its just as easy to disable that knob and reassign to the knob/ parameter you wanna tweak..
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1: WHERE? 2: uhgm... show me. and show me wat happens when you change channels - binding is stil active to specific plugin parameters... Or maybe I'm doin' somethin' wrong?
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/12 16:38:28
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Funny thing is, I spent a lot of time setting up/tweaking ACT on my Axiom-61. I made a special ACT preset where controllers run on midi channel 15 so they don't interfere with normal midi stuff that I usually do on channel 1.
But to this day, whenever I've needed to tweak something I've just put the Axiom in a "generic midi" preset and used "MIDI Learn" or "remote control." ACT was always way too fiddly for me. Maybe it's just the way I like to work.
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/12 17:35:21
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funny thing is, that I don't need BCR2000 as a "doubling" of BCF2000 which works in Mackie mode, but I need good 32-knobs work - so three solutions:
1. custom made ACT for this controller
2. staying away from ACT and try to get rid another way
3. BCR2000 control surface made by A.J. (compiled to 64bit system)
because I can't do 1st, and I don't really like 2nd because lack of functionality INTO Sonar, I have to use 3rd which isn't perfect too or/and
use Novation Nocturn with Automap.....
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/12 17:44:24
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this thread is kind of leaving me right where i started. even tho the axiom has act presets, some prefer to use it in generic mid. i am getting the feeling that only the pcr and apro users are happy with ACT. how do they work with the PC?
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/12 17:53:41
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I'm using a VS-100 which is extremely easy since it is all pre-configured. I also have an Axiom 49 that I was using before the VS-100. The transport was a bit of a pain to setup on the Axiom, but once I figured it out it worked good. I just don't like the parameter jumps from the faders and endless rotaries. I think the newer Axioms have resolved this (with better 2-way communications using "Midi Learn") but I'm stuck on the 1st gen. I also have a Novation Nocturn, and love it! There is some concern that it duplicates the plug in, but that's not 100% correct. It creates a wrapper for the plug-in, and you need to insert the wrapper, not the plug itself. This doesn't bother me because I only wrap what I want, which is only a few plug ins. Of course, Novation has their own system (AutoMap) so that is something completely different than ACT which makes this paragraph a little off topic 
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/12 18:13:52
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codamedia,
don't be so sure about new Axiom and ACT.
ACT DON'T WORK 2WAY - it has NO MIDI FEEDBACK! That is one of reasons I say that ACT is prehistorical and it should be baned by Geneve Convent :-P
Automap isn't perfect too, but you have full MIDI Feedback and you can easily customise parameters, because default bindings are not always helpfull.
but it's a breeze comparing to ACT.
In a fact Noviations controllers are just a bit expansive than competition, but they're one of the best on the market, especially with Automap.
And - it's sad to say, but Axioms are one of the worst - plastic feeling of keys and stone-hard pads without any feeling.
If you look for real, great action pads - the choice is simple - only Korg padKONTROL.
Great in programming and they have one UNIQUE fwature - FIVE SENSORS on each pad.
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/12 18:57:33
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1: There's many tutorials about ACT , how to set up and how to use it ect..
2: For me I would rather use midi learn if I can. Its just as easy to disable that knob and reassign to the knob/ parameter you wanna tweak..
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1: WHERE?
2: uhgm... show me. and show me wat happens when you change channels - binding is stil active to specific plugin parameters...
Or maybe I'm doin' somethin' wrong?
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/12 19:58:15
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post edited by codamedia - 2011/09/12 21:41:08
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/13 07:29:53
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djjhart@aol.com thanks, it tells a lot, but I still see that ACT is just simple wrapper. So naybody - what about (in example) any controller with more than 16 controls? Like Behringer BCR2000 (default ACT map sucks), CME Bitstream controller etc? Is there someone who can do custom maps that use all of the capabilities?
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/13 08:01:28
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I use ACT with an M-Audio Axiom 61 (1st gen) and it works wonders. It hasn't always tho. Mod Bod had a great and more or less scientific approach to how to set it up when ACT and the Axiom was new which helped me a great deal. But it was flakey. It could be my own fault. When I installed X1 I got help from Thegeek (in the thread posted above) and since then I've had great happiness using ACT and the Axiom. It just works and it's GREAT to have some hardware control over my plugins and console.
@Adrian - isn't Automap just a wrapper too?
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/13 09:09:32
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So - maybe someone will make a little tutorial: "ACT for idiots" or something.....
not only using ACT, but especially - make custom maps for ACT.
I don't know why you doing so much fuzz about it? Its very simpel to use ACT like the same as you make MIDI learn. a 10 year old child would understand how to use it. HOW TO USE ACT. 1. PRESS The ACT button on the VSTI you want to control. 2. Move the VST controls with you Mouse Fader and nobs----> A;B;C;D; and Fader F.... with the mouse 3. Now---> move the Hardware Controlers faders or nobs in the same order you want to use them. MOVE --->Hardware fader --->1= A;... hardware control FADER2= B....;C;D and Fader F... and so on... 4. Unselect the ACT button in you VST with your mouse. Now you all set. ACT are much more smarter then MIDI control. ACT will remember those controls and parameter for ever in any project on that VST instrument.. Best Regards Freddie
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/13 11:14:43
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Freddie -
I'm not doin' fuzz - or in other way - I use Sonar but I will not jump up just because I shoud be so happy, the one of choosen or whatever just because I use Sonar.
I'm realist and I can see, that behind the name there is great number of bugs, issues and things to improove and to design and develop from beginning.
ACT is one of them, because Sonar is almost on the top - in ranking of the worst DAWs when comes to MIDI & controllers.
I understand, that you talk to everyone how happy you are and "who is not with us, is against us", but just try to go out of your room and look arround. Sonar IS good - nothing more. But it could be GREAT.
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/13 23:48:13
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man, i had no intention of letting crazy into my life when i started this thread. thank you to everyone who posted threads containing information, as opposed to opinions and feelings. i am going to buy a controller that is listed among the act presets. i will let u know which one and how it all went down. it's really amazing how great some of you make it sound and how pathetic others make it seem. like many others, i long for the day when i can ditch my mouse and save it for web browsing.
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/14 10:56:48
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When I installed X1 I got help from Thegeek (in the thread posted above) and since then I've had great happiness using ACT and the Axiom.
ProjectM: I just saw that thread the other night, wow - that clears up a lot of things. The first thing I noticed was the default ACT setting for the knobs and faders was to "jump". That's always been my biggest complaint about the Axiom, and as soon as I changed it to "Match" it works exactly as I thought it should. My custom Axiom map is based on this template - but I'm not sure why I never figured out that setting before? Time to re think my Axiom map and start enjoying it a little more. @BlixYZ: Good luck on your quest! I look foward to hearing what you decided on, and how it works out!
post edited by codamedia - 2011/09/14 11:01:28
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Re:Who is using ACT and on what controllers????
2011/09/14 11:20:22
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BlixYZ
i am going to buy a controller that is listed among the act presets.
Just another thing worth noting is that you can mix 'n' match ACT control surface with the Cakewalk Generic Surface. That's how I run the MIDI control section of my ZED-R16. The transport controls are via the Generic Surface and I use ACT for the button/fader/rotary section for plugins, although there's no reason why it won't control Sonar tracks as well. Works great like that. BTW if anyone from Cakewalk happens to read this, can you please, please let me know whether you ever intend to finish developing the ACT preset for the ZED-R16. According to your kb page on the ZED it's been "coming soon" for at least 18 months. I've emailed customer services asking for more details at least twice and have never had a reply. Even a "we've scrapped the idea" would be better than being ignored. *Sigh*...........Thanks...........
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