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Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
Is Breverb really stereo (input)? This Doesn't seem that way - I pan the Reverb send from an instrument to it and the reverb comes out on Left and Right.. Plugged another reverb in there and that one does in fact produce a stereo result. Is there an input option that I am not seeing?
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 09:51:14
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Hmmm.... Never thought about that. I'm not completely sold on the Breverb. You mean the Sonar version, right?
Come to think of it, I ditched it in favour of something else in a project because it behaved weird. Could be because of that. Will investigate later tonight.
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 10:03:20
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Reverb - Perfect space for vocals and other critical stuff. Otherwise it is softube or breverb or the studio line of cake effects that came from P5. Those are just refaced cake plugs, I believe, but it is an easier format. Oh, and sometimes the free Cake FX 3 reverb works really well, esp. for small spaces.
Delays I usually use the Nomad Audio blue tubes stuff. The Oil Can echo is great, as is the stereo delay thing w/ LCR engines. Sonitus ain't bad sounding, or the p5 delay.
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 10:16:11
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Psst..@ - wrong thread 
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 10:27:07
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IIRC, BREVERB is true stereo, input on the left channel only will result in a stereo reverb on both left and right channels.
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 10:33:10
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IIRC, BREVERB is true stereo, input on the left channel only will result in a stereo reverb on both left and right channels.
+1 exactly If you think of a reverb as a (virtual) room Then if you stand to the left in this room and make a sound the sound waves would still reflect onto all the walls in the room, not just the ones nearest to you
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 10:41:20
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That explanation can be qualified with the added detail that it only describes the full 100% "wet" output.
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 11:06:06
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hm.. yeah.. I didn't have a chance to try it until now....
Now (after trying) I also find this strange..
It doesn't matter if using the PC-module or the VST-version... However, in the VST-version you can see the signal flow.
The positioning left-right of the in-signal doesn't affect the wet out sound at all.
That's kind of crappy .. :/
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 11:07:44
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That explanation can be qualified with the added detail that it only describes the full 100% "wet" output.
No, I would think it would be the case that, unless BREVERB is set 100% "dry", any input on either the left or right channel will result in reverb on both the left and right channels. Of course, if BREVERB is not 100% "wet" the input will be mixed with the reverb but that was not what the question being addressed.
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 11:37:06
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A true stereo FX unit will affect the side that gets the input only, unless there is a feedback loop between channels, such as with a delay. Even so, this thing does not behave correctly, even though I like the quality of the algorithms. Bloody annoying, actually.
Nomad Factory Blueverb can accept stereo input, why not a plugin that is many years newer and supposedly better?
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 11:59:47
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I'm listening to Pristine Space at the moment... I'm using my very own true stereo convolution files and I have it patched for true stereo.
It's on a bus I named guitar.
I made the bus so I could insert Pristine Space there.
I took a guitar track and panned it hard LEFT.
I am sending it to the guitar bus with Pristine Space.
I listen to the 100% wet out put of Pristine Space and I have a "reverb" of the guitar in both speakers.
I listen to the 100% dry out put of Pristine Space and the guitar is only in the LEFT speaker... a condition I confirmed by powering off the left speaker.
That's what I meant before... that's what I just checked and confirmed.
I am not sure how it applies to the OP question... but I think it describes what one should expect from a True Stereo reverb effect.
I didn't buy Breverb so I can't comment about it.
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 12:05:28
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A true stereo input will correctly yield sound on left and right, but how much on each side should vary with the input location...
I have only used Breverb once or twice and had not yet noticed this... A very common digital flaw is that while creating a stereo image at output, many programs and devices sum the l/r input... Sad... Even worse that something as highly touted as Breverb should be so "crippled"... <sigh>
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 12:09:33
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If it is a convolution reverb I'll buy the "reverb in both speakers" thing. But this is not using impulses AFAIK, therefore it should be far more flexible.
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 12:11:17
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Not quite what you're looking for but the reverb output itself can be panned using the two sliders beneath the output fader.
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 12:15:57
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The word "reverb" has an actual definition.
It seems like you are trying to redefine it.
Please excuse if I am mistaken about what you are hoping for.. but do you really just want a reverb effect in one speaker? That's not "reverb"... but of course I can see why someone might call it that.
Do you want to "Pan" a reverb effect?
If so, insert it on a track... and then pan the output to where you want it... just like it is the reverb built in to a mono guitar amp when you pan that to a side.
Or just pan the output of the reverb bus.
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 12:16:45
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Yep, that I know, but if one uses it as a central ambience in a mix you can't pan it unless you want to affect all the instruments sent to it.
What I am looking for is to be able to pan the aux send from a track to some degree and have the output of the reverb reflect that. As in placing a source in a space, but using that same space for other sources, as an example (many uses for this feature, actually)
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 12:18:56
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LJB
A true stereo FX unit will affect the side that gets the input only, unless there is a feedback loop between channels, such as with a delay. Even so, this thing does not behave correctly, even though I like the quality of the algorithms. Bloody annoying, actually.
Nomad Factory Blueverb can accept stereo input, why not a plugin that is many years newer and supposedly better?
I don't fully agree. What you describe would be like having two independent mono-reverbs panned hard left and right. My opinion is that; if you send a signal panned hard left into the reverb, it still just should be a placement within the space the reverb creates. Reflections should still be created to the right, but the placement of the dry in-signal (in this case hard left) should affect both color and volume of the created reflections in the whole virtual space. I tried softtube's reverb that comes with the mix bundle and this works as I'd expect from any stereo reverb. Using FX-send to a bus with this reverb, panning the send left and right and listening to the bus solo, clearly pans the placement of the wet sound. I don't know if it just affects the volyme of if it actually changes the frequencies of the sound too though
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 12:19:11
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The word "reverb" has an actual definition.
It seems like you are trying to redefine it.
Please excuse if I am mistaken about what you are hoping for.. but do you really just want a reverb effect in one speaker? That's not "reverb"... but of course I can see why someone might call it that.
Do you want to "Pan" a reverb effect?
If so, insert it on a track... and then pan the output to where you want it... just like it is the reverb built in to a mono guitar amp when you pan that to a side.
Or just pan the output of the reverb bus.
best regards,
mike
Mike, thanks for that. Seriously, I am not an amateur, and I know what I want. It's not a difficult thing. Sincerely, L.
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 12:21:28
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True stereo is Stereo in & out.
2 stereo ir's are needed. You can mix & use different types of stereo ir's too which can be useful.
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 12:22:59
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I'm listening to Pristine Space at the moment... I'm using my very own true stereo convolution files and I have it patched for true stereo.
It's on a bus I named guitar.
I made the bus so I could insert Pristine Space there.
I took a guitar track and panned it hard LEFT.
I am sending it to the guitar bus with Pristine Space.
I listen to the 100% wet out put of Pristine Space and I have a "reverb" of the guitar in both speakers.
I listen to the 100% dry out put of Pristine Space and the guitar is only in the LEFT speaker... a condition I confirmed by powering off the left speaker.
That's what I meant before... that's what I just checked and confirmed.
I am not sure how it applies to the OP question... but I think it describes what one should expect from a True Stereo reverb effect.
I didn't buy Breverb so I can't comment about it.
best regards,
mike
I think the OP use an FX-send to a bus that's got only the reverb and it's set to 100%wet. And then panned the FX-send on the track. Not sending the whole track to a bus with a reverb as an insert-FX letting through both the dry and wet signal
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 12:23:47
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Something you said caught my attention... so I just went and adjusted my Pristine Space to mimic Perfect Space.
In other words I reset it as a 2 Channel insert instead of using the True Stereo patch.
Now it works exactly as you seem to wish to use Breverb.
The guitar is exclusively on the left in both the 100% wet or dry.
The point being... I think that, in fact, you may NOT want to use a True Stereo reverb on this occasion. My test with Pristine Space suggests to me that you have described Breverb results as that of a True Stereo process rather than as the more mundane dual mono... which is what I think you are after for your current task.
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 12:25:10
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Loptec, you got it.
Reverb on Aux. 100% wet.
Send panned at will from the track.
Voila. FX slanted to the side of the pan.
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 12:26:00
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mike_mccue
The word "reverb" has an actual definition.
It seems like you are trying to redefine it.
Please excuse if I am mistaken about what you are hoping for.. but do you really just want a reverb effect in one speaker? That's not "reverb"... but of course I can see why someone might call it that.
Do you want to "Pan" a reverb effect?
If so, insert it on a track... and then pan the output to where you want it... just like it is the reverb built in to a mono guitar amp when you pan that to a side.
Or just pan the output of the reverb bus.
best regards,
mike
Mike, thanks for that. Seriously, I am not an amateur, and I know what I want. It's not a difficult thing.
Sincerely,
L.
Hi Ludwig, I know exactly who you are!!! I hope the explanation above will be helpful. I can't speak about True Stereo off the top of my head... so I had to go think, and test, and come back with admittedly awkward explanations. best regards, mike
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2013/01/28 12:28:27
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Uploading an example now. Will post it asap.
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2013/01/28 12:28:27
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I think the OP use an FX-send to a bus that's got only the reverb and it's set to 100%wet. And then panned the FX-send on the track.
Not sending the whole track to a bus with a reverb as an insert-FX letting through both the dry and wet signal
Right... I was agreeing with you... I was just pointing out that we were both speaking about 100% wet on a True Stereo output... and then someone came along and said "No". best regards, mike
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 12:30:35
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Hehe. apologies for getting hot-headed. I sometimes marvel at how annoying such a thing can become - esp when you're 95% down the line a big mix and then have to replace the key reverb with another plugin!
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 12:34:21
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Loptec, you got it.
Reverb on Aux. 100% wet.
Send panned at will from the track.
Voila. FX slanted to the side of the pan.
I think the only solution would be to use another reverb, unfortunately =/ Well.. Actually... There IS another solution.. But, well... Here we go: Create two reverb-buses: ReverbLeft - Pan the output hard left ReverbRight - Pan the output hard right Then on each channel you want reverb on, you create two aux-sends; one to each of the reverb buses. You can now control exaxtly how much signal you want to send to the left or right reverb-bus edit: I mean.. If you really like the sound of the reverb, it might be worth trying :)
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Re:Whoooaaaa!!! Is Breverb really Stereo? This bothers no-one else?
2013/01/28 12:34:44
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:-)
It's all good... I know your work is serious... I can imagine the potential for stress.
all the best,
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