Who's using the LA 610

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2009/06/12 22:40:51 (permalink)

Who's using the LA 610


I picked one up at G.C. today... they are closing them out to make room for the new black ones. I only had a few minutes to play with it at my DAW and then I had to hit the road.

My first thought was that the preamp got grungy before really presenting noticable compression... what do you think?

I'm not asking about "presets" but does anyone have any thoughts about how they are using their LA610?

I kinda got it for the instant gratification of the channel strip experience but my first reaction is that I have 16 cleaner and more robust sounding preamps... and that I may still prefer the record clean and compress with a DSP process as I've been doing.

I figure it will take me a year or two to learn what this LA610 can do... but if anyone has any headstart tips I'd love to hear your thoughts.

best regards,
mike


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    droddey
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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2009/06/13 02:25:13 (permalink)
    The 610 pre-amp has fairly limited headroom, so you can't drive it too hard on input. If I remember correctly the suggested scheme is to set the big knob to about 7, and then adjust the input gain knob position to yourself about the right level of gain, then tweak the big knob.

    It'll never be a really super-clean sounding unit, but that's the beauty of it I guess. It shouldn't be grungy though unless you are overdriving the input. And you should be able to get pretty huge amounts of GR as well.
    post edited by droddey - 2009/06/13 02:36:48

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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2009/06/13 06:41:57 (permalink)
    Thanks Dean.

    best,
    mike


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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2009/06/14 12:36:04 (permalink)
    Don't have the LA but I do have the Solo 610

    As Frank says it will never be a "clean" pre-amp - That's not it's purpose from my understanding but in time you will love it - It's a perfect compliment to the cleaner faster sounding modern pres

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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2009/06/14 18:26:43 (permalink)
    Thanks for the encouragement.

    I look forward to trying it on visitor's vocals.

    best,
    mike



    post edited by mike_mccue - 2009/06/14 18:38:06


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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2009/06/15 01:29:16 (permalink)
    I have one. So far it's been very nice on bass (Asparapuss was done with it using my Line 6 Variax bass).

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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2009/06/15 08:57:20 (permalink)
    Does anyone know the difference between the LA-610 silverface and the new LA-610 Mk II blackface? Because if it's no big deal, I might want to jump on the Guitar Center closeout also. (Btw Mike, was that an in-store deal only? I can't find any mention of it on their website)

    Anyway back to your question about settings, I think this might be of interest. From one of the reviews on Harmony Central:

    Easy to understand, but it's also very easy to mangle and distort the input and output if not set properly. After a call to UA, I was able to set it properly. For mike and instruments it's VERY IMPORTANT to set and keep the '610 Level knob at 8 or higher, then use the far left input gain rotary knob to set the input gain -all the while keeping the meters needle reading well out of the red. For output of the '610, I found the '610 to sound and work best when going into my Firepods front panel regular XLR jacks with the mike-pres of the Firepod set at zero- which lets you use the output Gain knob of the '610 to set your recording level for your DAW. When I went out of the 610's XLR line out to the 1/4 TRS line input of my Firepod, I found that for some reason the 1/4 TRS input on the Firepod padded down the output of the '610 which made me have to crank the 610's Gain/output knob way up in order to get enough recording level into the Firepod, and this made the '610 distort because it was cranked up so high. So use the '610 XLR out to an XLR input of your DAW and you will hear the '610 as it was intended to sound.

    Also Universal Audio published some tips on using the 610. Here's what they say about the settings:

    The cleanest signal is attained by setting the Level knob between 7 and 10 on the scale, then turning the Gain knob until the desired level is attained.

    So basically, yeah, what Drod said

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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2009/06/15 09:23:45 (permalink)
    Yes in store. I thought I was buying a display unit and it turned out they had a sealed box in the back. I may consider the display unit as well after testing this week.

    MKII = black face plate, larger VU meter, complete bypass of compressor is now possible, slightly cleaner output.

    best,
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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2009/06/15 16:41:25 (permalink)
    Though, that's just for 'optimal' sound, but sometimes you don't want optimal. So don't be afraid to crank down the knob and crank up the input gain and overdrive it into some distortion as well. Sometimes that's what you want.

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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2009/06/15 18:23:29 (permalink)
    blow out pricing was?

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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2009/06/15 18:39:32 (permalink)
    999.95 + tax.

    That was a marked price... I'm too old to hem and haw.

    I did a quick cover song just to test it to day. Yeterday I just used my work desk '58. Today I used a RE20 and a AEA R84.I'm officially in love. It's different than everything else I have and that's the nice part about it. I sang into the compressor and and found a sweet spot for all the parameters.


    best,
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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2009/06/15 18:40:22 (permalink)
    Nice, nice.

    I may have to swing by the local on the way home!

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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2012/03/17 13:51:08 (permalink)
    Hey,
    I just got the LA-610 MK2. It's basic but, for certain settings for loud vocals I can't seem to get the right level. I thought the Avalon VT737 was easier to set. Anyway how would I go about getting a 2:1 ratio, with this thing? I like it, it's just a little different as far as getting certain settings.
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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2012/03/18 02:42:02 (permalink)
    I purchased the MKII recently and love it.  I couldnt imagine recording bass again without it.  The vocals can require some tweeking depending on the singer and sound you want, but hey doesnt everything. 

    Like the suggestion above I usually start with the gain around 7 and adjust the input and gain knob until I get the right sound.  The only thing I dont care for is the EQ layout.  Personal preference.

    Another cool sound is using it before your amp sim on your guitar.  It can fatten up your sound and help take out some of the 'annoyingness' that amp sims tend to give out.

    I'm starting to think if you record everything with it, by the end of your mix it adds up and you can almost see a visual 610 paint brush coloring your mix.  Maybe it's my imagination....

    Anyhow its 2 thumbs up here, especially for that price.


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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2012/03/18 12:18:42 (permalink)
    Adele sang through a 610 on her 21 cd.....I have a solo 610, but haven't had a chance to use it yet....it's a unique piece (but I'm a Wrecking Crew fan....alot of great records were cut on Putnam's console)

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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2012/03/18 18:51:54 (permalink)
    vocals07


    Hey,
    I just got the LA-610 MK2. It's basic but, for certain settings for loud vocals I can't seem to get the right level. I thought the Avalon VT737 was easier to set. Anyway how would I go about getting a 2:1 ratio, with this thing? I like it, it's just a little different as far as getting certain settings.


      The opto compressor has a set ratio response. It has a soft knee and, if I recall correctly, a 12:1 ratio followed by another soft knee which expands back to a lower ratio... so it doesn't limit the way many compressors do.


    best regards,
    mike


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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2012/04/09 09:21:18 (permalink)
    Hey Mike
    I have the solo 610.  I love mine on vocals/bass/acoustic but what I found is not every mic loves this pre. This pre with the wrong mic is just average. Find the right one and she can be a beast.


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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2012/04/09 11:13:13 (permalink)
    I'm looking at the 601 MkII.  I have the 710 on the way to me to fill out the desire for a last clean pre before I go to a colored sound.  I'll be lurking this thread so keep us informed of any little tricks you find.
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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2012/04/09 12:30:43 (permalink)
    Mod,
    With the 710 you get the best of both worlds, don't you?
    You can have the "clean" ss pre or the "colored" valve pre.
    Of course you don't have the compressor.
    I have the 6176, the LA-610 and the LA-610mkII.
    Like you, I picked up the mkII to get the UAD2, duo in this case.
    Put the original in the rack at a friend's studio so I'd have it when I track there.
    I "step" on everything going in, so I like having the compressors.
    However, some feel that a "real" LA2A is the only way to go; but lets not open that can of worms.
    If you don't need the comp, I think you're set.
    Just my nickel 98.

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    RE: Who's using the LA 610 2012/04/09 13:35:55 (permalink)
    DeeringAmps


    Mod,
    With the 710 you get the best of both worlds, don't you?
    You can have the "clean" ss pre or the "colored" valve pre.
    Of course you don't have the compressor.
    I have the 6176, the LA-610 and the LA-610mkII.
    Like you, I picked up the mkII to get the UAD2, duo in this case.
    Put the original in the rack at a friend's studio so I'd have it when I track there.
    I "step" on everything going in, so I like having the compressors.
    However, some feel that a "real" LA2A is the only way to go; but lets not open that can of worms.
    If you don't need the comp, I think you're set.
    Just my nickel 98.

    Tom

    I feel like I could very well be in agreement with you once I get the 710 and try it out.  I've got a JoeMeek TwinQ so if I want to squash something a little (or a lot) going in, I can do it there.  But it sure would be sexy there in my rack though. 
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