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2013/08/18 17:31:43 (permalink)

Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3.

Looking over my list of libraries* it seems that ST3 will most likely be redundant or at minimum unnecessary since I have not opened it up since I went 64bit.
(I wonder if I'll be proved wrong)
 
 
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Komplete 8, Kirk Hunter Strings, All the guitar libraries (Waves Factory, Real Guitar, Orange Tree, AAS etc.), Soundiron Venus & Mars
EWQL - Ra, Gypsy, FabFour, Ministry of Rock, Voices of Passion, Symphonic Choirs & Symphonic Orchestra
 
 
So end of my rant about ST3 taking a lifetime to bring to market.
 
Now if they give it to me for free (the player) as a customer loyalty gesture and let me choose any add on libraries at a later date I will not turn it down.
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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/18 17:51:27 (permalink)
bapuNow if they give it to me for free (the player) as a customer loyalty gesture and let me choose any add on libraries at a later date I will not turn it down.




You mean like if they had a free player shell thingy and, I don't know what to call it, but some sort of custom shop or something for adding libraries to it?

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/18 17:54:02 (permalink)
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bapuNow if they give it to me for free (the player) as a customer loyalty gesture and let me choose any add on libraries at a later date I will not turn it down.




You mean like if they had a free player shell thingy and, I don't know what to call it, but some sort of custom shop or something for adding libraries to it?


Sumpin' like dat.
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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/18 18:22:30 (permalink)
@bapu
Get yourself a Stash Stainless instead.
post edited by carl - 2013/08/18 18:28:46
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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/18 18:23:40 (permalink)
This??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ducati_ST3_(DerHexer)_2010-10-31_041.jpg
 
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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/18 19:54:45 (permalink)
I look forward to your comments in the SampleTank 3 threads. ;)

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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/18 20:48:17 (permalink)
  Yea, I read those reasons; you already have IK samples that will play in 64bit without a bridge when it comes up? ...PLLEEASE, I wouldn't want to accidently be between you and the buy it now button when it comes up....I call shenanigans

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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/18 21:33:41 (permalink)
I got to say one thing, after looking over the last few weeks of interplay...
 
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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/18 21:35:37 (permalink)
No soup for you

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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/18 21:37:08 (permalink)
I was going to get Sampletank during this current sale in the expectation of upgrading to ST3, but then I thought about it. It's never going to catch Kontakt. They have left it too long and Kontakt is now THE sampler. I'm too old to wait a decade for a sampler's library to mature enough to compare with the competition.
post edited by backwoods - 2013/08/18 21:44:46

 
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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/18 23:07:40 (permalink)
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Looking over my list of libraries* it seems that ST3 will most likely be redundant or at minimum unnecessary since I have not opened it up since I went 64bit.
(I wonder if I'll be proved wrong)
 
 


Well, I certainly don't need to spend too much on a another bread and butter factory library. Kontakt, Independence Pro and Dim Pro have those bases covered pretty well. Then I have the extra stuff in Komplete 8 and a shed load of third party Kontakt instruments. - Kirk Hunter, Hollow Sun, Sampletekk, Orange Tree, Boulder Sounds and Sound Iron products to name a few.
 
The upgrade price will be critical. If it costs too much I may as well keep on using the old 32 bit players for the legacy content.
 
I am really curious to see what ST3 brings to the table. Kontakt's only real competition at the moment is Mach 5.
post edited by Glyn Barnes - 2013/08/18 23:10:20

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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 02:00:52 (permalink)
IKM isn't even on my radar these days. Promises and more promises.

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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 07:51:01 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby bapu 2013/08/19 10:27:53
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I look forward to your comments in the SampleTank 3 threads. ;)


 I look forward to there actually being one ;)
 
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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 10:05:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2013/08/19 10:27:51
IK Obi
I look forward to your comments in the SampleTank 3 threads. ;)


And this isn't one of those?
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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 10:28:53 (permalink)
IK Obi
I look forward to your comments in the SampleTank 3 threads. ;)


I wish there was a "worst" answer button in the new forum software.

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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 11:02:26 (permalink)
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I look forward to your comments in the SampleTank 3 threads. ;)


I wish there was a "worst" answer button in the new forum software.



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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 11:24:58 (permalink)
I've nothing against Obi. He's just "doin' his job".
 
And I'm doin' mine.
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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 11:41:51 (permalink)
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I've nothing against Obi. He's just "doin' his job".
 
And I'm doin' mine.


I unnerstan, I like him, as a person,  also..

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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 12:37:32 (permalink)
I'm on the fence about ST3. It will depend on the breadth of the sample library and the initial price. The enormous shoes ST3 will need to fill aren't those of Kontakt, but of its own predecessor, ST2.
 
ST2 still gets used here on a regular basis. Not because it's a great piece of software - it wasn't ever the best sampler around - but because of the breadth of sounds included. I'm approaching a terabyte's worth of Kontakt libraries, but I'd need a lot more to completely cover the same ground as ST2.
 
If ST3 offers what ST2 does, only with higher-quality samples and a bigger UI, and doesn't cost a fortune, then I'm in.


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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 12:49:31 (permalink)
Dave,
 
If I used ST2 as much as you apparently do/have I'd be in the same place.
 
The UI turned me off so early on that although I too have a fairly extensive library of ST2 stuff (IIRC I purchased nearly every esoundz expansion pack I could get my hands on) I just never really got into ST2 as a goto tool.
 
Amplitube on the other hand has been my goto amp sim.
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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 13:07:35 (permalink)
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Dave,
 
If I used ST2 as much as you apparently do/have I'd be in the same place.
 
The UI turned me off so early on that although I too have a fairly extensive library of ST2 stuff (IIRC I purchased nearly every esoundz expansion pack I could get my hands on) I just never really got into ST2 as a goto tool.
 
Amplitube on the other hand has been my goto amp sim.




I'm in pretty much the same place - I don't have the full version, but I have a few very nice ST libraries that don't really get used because I despise the GUI and it's not like I'm wanting for other options.
 
 
But haven't IK always had free/cheap versions of ST that don't come with much content, but will play whatever libraries you own? 
 
From http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/sampletank/index.php?pp=sampletank-2-xl-versions
 
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A fully working, expandable version of SampleTank. Simple to use and easily expandable with ReTank refills and sound libraries.
 
 
Given this, I don't get all this "upgrade price" concern people seem to be having.

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 13:17:13 (permalink)
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Given this, I don't get all this "upgrade price" concern people seem to be having.



{BroadstrokeAssumptionHere}
As long as it's taken to bring to market I'm assuming that a free player MAY NOT be on the table (at least initially)
{/BroadstrokeAssumptionHere}
 
{WaitingToBeProvenWrong}
We'll see....
{/WaitingToBeProvenWrong}
 
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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 13:24:20 (permalink)
Given that they have Amplitube Free and T-RackS Custom Shop Free I'd be surprised if that's the direction they went. It seems to me that they've adopted the ibusiness model of trying to sell lots of additional content at as close to impulse buy prices as they can.

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 15:04:30 (permalink)
Impulse buy model - you know I think this works - I have happily purchased the latest stuff from Hideaway and Hollow Sun without really thinking too much about it - but there was a product from another manufacturer a few weeks back that was approaching $100 - I listened, I listened again, I really really wanted it, thought about it then never purchased it - if it had been say $25 or $35 I would probably have got it without too many second thoughts. And I'm sure if it was cheaper, they would sell far more - enough extra to make MORE money - in these testing times, people are thinking more about purchase decisions.
 

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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 16:00:36 (permalink)
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Impulse buy model - you know I think this works - I have happily purchased the latest stuff from Hideaway and Hollow Sun without really thinking too much about it - but there was a product from another manufacturer a few weeks back that was approaching $100 - I listened, I listened again, I really really wanted it, thought about it then never purchased it - if it had been say $25 or $35 I would probably have got it without too many second thoughts. And I'm sure if it was cheaper, they would sell far more - enough extra to make MORE money - in these testing times, people are thinking more about purchase decisions.



This is definitely true for me as well.  It's a lot easier to get me to pay $10 ten times than to pay $100 once.
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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 17:59:34 (permalink)
You're all talking like this vapourware is solidifying. There is no ST3, just the party line, and I hope they pay Obi well to come here and deliver his stump speach. My hat's off to him.

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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 18:15:38 (permalink)
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You're all talking like this vapourware is solidifying. 



Like a fiat.


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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 18:34:36 (permalink)
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You're all talking like this vapourware is solidifying. 



Like a fiat.


Reminds me of an auto industry bailout.
 
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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 18:38:31 (permalink)
I thought you'd go a little deeper than that.
 
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Re: Why I will probably not upgrade to ST3. 2013/08/19 18:39:13 (permalink)
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You're all talking like this vapourware is solidifying. 



Like a fiat.


Reminds me of an auto industry bailout.
 



a Fiat currency maybe....


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