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2015/01/28 06:54:16 (permalink)

Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar?

I have X3e Producer with the following add ons, as listed on my profile page:
 
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So what do I get for the risk, as my system is running great (thanks Jim, StudioCat).
 
Are the new upgrades in Sonar worth it?
 
I am really confused.

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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 07:30:35 (permalink)

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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 07:48:01 (permalink)
If the existing version does all you need, no need to upgrade, just carry on making music. New features are great but I stuck at X2 for this very reason.
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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 08:04:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Del 2015/01/28 09:18:12
Upgrading is really a personal choice. You got to decide if you need any of the new features. I have been looking at the new version and I see some things that I want. it is funny how my wants become needs.
 
The things that stick out to me the most are the REmatrix Solo, the new control bar, Mix Recall, The new PRV features, MIDI time-stretching, velocity layering, The Pattern Tool, and last but not least Addictive Drums 2
 
These are my main reasons for upgrading. Everyone will have a different set of reasons. I think it is well worth the 149.00 price and I plan on upgrading soon.

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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 08:19:14 (permalink)
I love the new Reverb.

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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 08:21:10 (permalink)
You may need to jump on it. The$149.00, I  believe,  is  only good till the end of the month.

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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 08:23:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Del 2015/01/28 09:20:39
Control bar is a great upgrade, much more fluid and customizable. Mix Recall is a great addition and seems pretty solid, if a little slow. ReMatrix Solo is a sweet sounding, very low-latency (they say zero, which is kind of counter-intuitive), low-overhead default convo verb, great to have on board. Expandable sends and FX are a nice refinement. The other stuff I haven't dug into much yet - VocalSync looks very cool and useful, AudioSnap seems much improved, and so on. I suspect MIDI paint and stretch will be super useful. Some of the FX chains could be useful for a quick drop in and/or creativity-enhancement (hey cool, I never thought of routing it that way!) and people are saying nice things about Craig's amp sims. There are other tweaks and minor additions (DSD, etc). And if you need excellent, next-gen drums, the Addictive 2 stuff is a bonus that is theoretically worth more than the upgrade anyway. The whole package including the new installer seems pretty solid and stable. I'm not sure what's not to like, unless you're absolutely sure you don't need or want any of that stuff and won't need or want any of the planned new features over the course of the year. Of course you could wait and jump in later, but you'll be paying more (the intro discount will go away soon) and you won't have it to work/play with now...

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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 09:15:30 (permalink)
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You may need to jump on it. The$149.00, I  believe,  is  only good till the end of the month.


I was unaware of that. Thanks for the heads up. I thought the upgrade price from X3 Professional to Platinum was always going to be $149 throughout the year. It will be tough but I will try and get this done before the end of the month.

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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 09:27:13 (permalink)
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You may need to jump on it. The$149.00, I  believe,  is  only good till the end of the month.


I was unaware of that. Thanks for the heads up. I thought the upgrade price from X3 Professional to Platinum was always going to be $149 throughout the year. It will be tough but I will try and get this done before the end of the month.


AFAIK, it will be increasing to $199 at osme point.
 
Have you considered paying in monthly instalments?
 
Cakewalk provide a payment plan for us cash strapped musicians.

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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 09:29:34 (permalink)
While all the bells and whistles are fine, my main reason for upgrading is for better CPU handling and any refinement of the workflow. Platinum SEEMS to be slightly peppier than past versions for lack of a better word.

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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 09:40:23 (permalink)
Enhancements to the core audio engine can only be incremental, and I'm pretty sure we have seen this happening through each new release of Sonar.

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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 09:42:09 (permalink)
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You may need to jump on it. The$149.00, I  believe,  is  only good till the end of the month.


I was unaware of that. Thanks for the heads up. I thought the upgrade price from X3 Professional to Platinum was always going to be $149 throughout the year. It will be tough but I will try and get this done before the end of the month.


AFAIK, it will be increasing to $199 at osme point.
 
Have you considered paying in monthly instalments?
 
Cakewalk provide a payment plan for us cash strapped musicians.


I like to pay upfront. If I don't have the money then I won't make payments. I will wait until I get the money. That being said money is not the issue. Time is the issue. I don't like upgrading in the middle of major projects. I usually re-image my hard drive before I upgrade. I reinstall the operating system and everything else.
 
I do this for several reasons. I usually don't have any upgrade problems or issues. I think this practice replaces an over bloated registry and the computer seems to run better. I guess I am superstitious. 
 
Anyway I would like to continue this practice before I upgrade and that means finishing this project and reinstalling windows.
 
Maybe I will just pay for it now and download it later.

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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 09:47:22 (permalink)
Brilliant idea,but it downloads wayyyy faster than X anything

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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 09:47:42 (permalink)
Because you will get left behind. This upgrade may not be a lot different but one day you'll look up and see that there have been a lot of changes and it will be harder to adapt t them all at once. Everything changes and if you don't change with them one day you wake up and realize you have 80s hair.
I would check with Jim, I got Platinum but am going to install it alongside X3e on my Studiocat and if there are any problems I don't think they will be with the computer, if there are any Jim will know what to do.
 
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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 10:43:29 (permalink)
Best version of Sonar that Cakewalk has ever done. That's why.
 
It's a no-brainer really, IMO. Snappier, more responsive, more stable, more reliable; all new additions are off-the-charts humongous... more refined and slicker user-interface, better midi input method, superb REmatrix Solo, excellent Addictive drummer 2, Craig Anderton Amp sims... all these are off the charts good, and all for $149. Arte you daft? Just kidden, but seriously, unless you're strapped for cash, can't really go wrong man.
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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 10:48:28 (permalink)
it depends what you want to do - tools for jobs. if the new sonar makes those tools better for you, there you go, upgrade... the other reason would be to have new stuff
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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 10:55:09 (permalink)
A bit OT:I have Vista on my laptop comp so I am not sure if it is a good idea to get the new Sonar. I have x1 so it would be a big upgrade.

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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 11:31:52 (permalink)
I believe Vista is no longer supported since X3. IIRC people have been able to get X3 to run on Vista but the installation routines are looking for other things that are no longer compatible. YMMV.


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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 12:25:51 (permalink)
Because if you don't upgrade the feelings of inadequacy will overtake again. And we don't want that now do we.  :-)
 
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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 18:48:43 (permalink)
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Because if you don't upgrade the feelings of inadequacy will overtake again. And we don't want that now do we.  :-)
 




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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/28 19:40:12 (permalink)
but... I already upgraded and I still feel inadequate... what gives?

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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/29 13:31:53 (permalink)
Your keyboard is too small?   
 

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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/31 14:25:59 (permalink)
When you upgrade, you risk all sorts of new issues.  New bugs that didn't exist before, new compatibility problems, and new ergonomics (sometimes) to deal with.   I never upgrade in the middle of projects.   That's asking for problems, even with projects without deadlines, why introduce new problems?   Isn't composing and producing good music challenging enough?
 
The other issue is the confusion between one's tools and one's craft.  Skills acquired using software and audio equipment are not the same skills that are involved in the composition and orchestration of music.  I tend to think a lot of people invest more time in their computer skills than in their musical craft, and of course it shows.  Is there anything you need Sonar to do that you cannot do now?  Does the newest version change that?   If yes, consider upgrading, if no, better to spend your time honing your musical skills, writing and producing music. 
 
Other than the very temporary thrill of getting and installing a new piece of software, you're going to spend money and time that often end up with no real advantage (to you, not the software company who will gladly take your money), other than the rapidly diminishing feeling of having the "newest".  I used Sonar 7 for over 5 years before even considering upgrading.   Now I use X3e and will continue to use it for probably another 5 years.  Since CW refuses to fix the bugs in the staff view, where I spend most of my time sequencing, there's no justification at all for upgrading, other than the emotionally-driven gear lust that makes you like everyone else.   Gear lust doesn't produce great music, that should be obvious.
 
If it isn't broken, don't fix it.  If it is broken and the new version doesn't fix it, don't upgrade. 
 
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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/31 15:15:06 (permalink)
To give a sense of perspective, some people are still using 8.5 and happily making music. Fatboy Slim used an Atari until a few years ago. And I'm driving a 15-year-old car because it still gets me from point A to point B.
 
However, if you choose to upgrade remember you can run Platinum side by side with X3e, so you can use X3e and learn the new features in Platinum at your leisure. The two "must have" features are VocalSync if you need to match overdubbed vocal audio to existing vocal audio on video, and if you have clients who want you to generate multiple mixes, MixRecall is huge. If you use AudioSnap, it's been improved.
 
If you use the Vienna Symphonic Library, the VST3 implementation now supports MIDI input buses. In terms of "nice but not necessary," the new control bar is a huge improvement for workflow, especially if you're working with a single monitor. I do a lot of archiving so the DSD export is helpful.
 
But most people are upgrading solely for the new amp sims . Okay, not really.
 
Speaking of upgrading, here's a tip for operating systems. I have my OS on a removable drive. When I get a new OS, I do a fresh install on a new drive and migrate stuff over slowly, for example, re-install something on the new OS in down time between sessions. Eventually I transition to the new OS. The only time that didn't really make much difference was the transition from Vista to 7, I bonded with 7 immediately. But with the XP to Vista transition, it took a while for Vista updates to catch up. 
 
 

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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/31 15:49:27 (permalink)
I had essentially the same add-ons as the OP.  I upgraded to Platinum and work flow was seamless.  Upgrade was quick, the layout and work flow is essentially identical, just with some improvements.  I actually find it easier to use with the minor layout improvements.

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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/31 16:29:46 (permalink)

Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar?

 
Because you did the research on the product and found that the new features are what you want or need?
 
After that I have no knowledge of why you should or shouldn't upgrade.
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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/31 16:33:18 (permalink)
If everything is fine and you don't find yourself salivating for any of the new features, I'd say just stay where you are... Cake is going to be rolling out periodic real time improvements and when these things reach a "oh, I gotta have that!" level for you, upgrade!  You'll be ahead of the game, in the sense that you now have a full year of ongoing upgrades from the moment you upgrade and if you do this in six months...you get more goodies than those of us who jumped as soon as we got our invitation!
 
Really, it's a win/win situation from where you're sitting...Personally, I just did it cause that's what I do.  But I was totally in bliss with X3 so really didn't need to and if I were more concerned about money or bang for the buck, I'd have waited. However, I hate the whole money racket, don't have any because of it, and love the bakers and my daw so I just did it.  Crazy, I know... 

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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/31 16:50:33 (permalink)
In all fairness I didn't read everything above but for me the most compelling reasons were:
 
The collapsible tool bar, Mix recall, the new stackable effects bins and sends, Vocal Sync, midi stretch and the AD producer bundle. For me it was a no brainer value wise. I'm have been an AD user long before it became part of Sonar. The producer bundle is worth the price of admission alone. The Rematrix reverb looks cool but I haven't taken it for a spin yet.
 
As pointed out above you can happily continue making music with what you have. The argument about new bugs etc. doesn't hold water here as this has been the smoothest Sonar upgrade for me yet and I started with Sonar 1 in 1900.
 
Good luck with your decision!!
 
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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/01/31 18:04:51 (permalink)
Just to add to what everyone loves about the new Sonar: I love the pattern tool!!! Makes it sooo easy and fast to lay down drum tracks!
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Re: Why Should I Upgrade to the New Sonar? 2015/02/01 07:55:32 (permalink)
I can only say.... Sonar 7 was at it's time awesome... I had two 15 inch screens and I allways felt like I needed more screenspace. But those screens are like lightbulbs... And I get blinded after a while. With Platinum I have screensets wich will fit on one 15 inch screen and it works fast. I can adjust my screens with ease... The new screens resize beautifully. Since I installed I have no issues. And.... It's just fun. 
 
With Sonar 7 I was allways looking for VST-i's. I now have 2 external VST-i's. One is a Memorymoog emulation. The other is a midi to VST-i converter so I can play a synthesizer with my guitar. Everything else is in the program. It's there... And it works... 
 
So I get done at the screen what I need to get done there. Then I hit record and I go focus on what's in the room, my instrument, lyrics... And it just works. No hickups...  Sonar is allso great with touch screens... Works awesome with Windows 8. And I think it will work awesome on W10 too. 
 
And you know what.... I love surprises. With X3 Sonar gave me a bunch of stuff like sounds and extra's during the period they were developing it up to X3E. And I loved it. Now with Platinum there will be more treats.... It's so funny.... I get all giggly about it everytime. And... Well even a new car doesn't do that anymore....

Cakewalk Sonar Platinum Windows 7 32bit & 64bit (dualboot) Gigabyte mobo Intel dual quad 9650 & 4GB Ram RME DIGI9636 & Tascam DM24.  M-audio Rbus & SI-24 Alesis Pro active 5.1 & Radford 90 transmissionline monitors. Roland RD-150 piano Edirol UM-880 & alesis fireport.
Remote recording Alesis HD-24 & Phonic MRS 1-20.
P.A. D&R Dayner 29-8-2 & behringer MX8000 (& racks)
Rackpc Sonar Platinum with win10 AMD X6 1055T, 16GB Ram
 Dell inspiron 17R 6gb ram W10 two SSD's Sonar Plat.
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