Why are live music videos edited so poorly

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2011/06/26 18:26:12 (permalink)

Why are live music videos edited so poorly

I'm rediscovering my love of Rory Gallagher and checked out "Live at Montreux" from the library.  Seems like so long as Rory is singing they pretty much keep the camera on him then as soon as he breaks into a solo they cut to the drummer, or the bassist, or keyboard or all three, then come back to Rory FROM THE BACK, then maybe show his fingers for a second before he charges across the stage.

Then I put in a DVD of the Old Grey Whistle Test, where they did a much better job showing Rory playing, but with some other groups tended to do the same thing: during the guitar solo show everyone except the guitarist or show the guitarist's face.

I remember being frustrated by this sort of thing as a kid, so maybe it's just that these videos are all from that era, but it'd be like showing a sporting event and every time the ball starts to move showing everyone except those directly involved with the movement of the ball (whatever type of ball it may be).

So, am I being overly critical?
post edited by jhughs - 2011/06/26 19:33:58

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    drewfx1
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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/26 19:37:36 (permalink)
    No, you are correct.

    I suspect part of it is the cameramen generally know absolutely nothing about the band (or possibly about music in general). And the director/editor can only use what they're given to work with by the cameramen.

    And for live broadcasts, the director might not know the music either. 

    I think you have to be a fan that knows the music to produce a really good concert video.

    But why the mixes on some concert DVD's are so terrible I can't answer.

     In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 08:09:30 (permalink)
    Making a TV program costs a lot more than making a record.

    So, the lack of "quality" may simply be a result of budget

    But, IMO, the observation that the OP has made simply reveals a difference in interest between the producers sense of taste and the OP's perspective as a viewer.

    The producer may be intending to feature the songs and the concert experience and de-emphasize the guitar slinger reputation.

    At a "live" or "live to tape" event the various cameramen are all competing to get their shots featured.

    If the director asked for shots of Rory playing a solo... there would be a bunch of cameras pointed at his fingers.

    Out in the field a big part of my job is to have the camera guys backs covered. So. I have an urge to do it here as well. :-)


    all the best,
    mike



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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 09:51:06 (permalink)
    I've always noticed these issues and thought it was a good
    indication in the difference of interest between musicians and
    what the producers thought the public would like to see.
    I also realized that they weren't trying to make "how to play" videos.

    I was watching Steve Vai from 1990 with Whitesnake the other night
    and thought about how much they've improved compared to his video
    in 2009 "Where The Wild Things Are". Most excellent.

    Return To Forever- "Live In Montreux" Blu-ray from 2009 - Simple amazing.

    ZZ Top "Live From Texas" in 2008 Blu-ray is another great example of
    not only great sound but excellent video/production.
    ( Sure looking forward to their new album release later this year- first in seven years)

    And farther back to 2001 - Joe Satriani - "Live In San Fransico" ! Five Stars!

    These are just some of many excellent ones available...IMO.

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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 10:54:36 (permalink)
    Let's not forget The Last Waltz ;-)


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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 11:11:25 (permalink)
    mike_mccue


    Let's not forget The Last Waltz ;-)

    Perfect for movie night this week Mic Mike.


    Should I bring my copy?


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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 11:12:51 (permalink)
    Yes... we can watch in stereo.


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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 11:14:46 (permalink)
    Simulcaste?


    Or do you have a matched pair of TVs?

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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 11:16:53 (permalink)
    Just cross your eyes.  (Lower cost option)
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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 11:18:07 (permalink)
    We're going to do it all with mirrors.


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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 11:22:14 (permalink)
    mike_mccue


    We're going to do it all with mirrors.

    As long as they're not on the ceiling, I'm OK with that.


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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 11:24:37 (permalink)
    How do you feel about Murphy Beds>


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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 11:27:19 (permalink)
    Will Murphy be in it?
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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 11:28:29 (permalink)
    mike_mccue

    If the director asked for shots of Rory playing a solo... there would be a bunch of cameras pointed at his fingers. 

    Out in the field a big part of my job is to have the camera guys backs covered. So. I have an urge to do it here as well. :-)
    Wasn't really trying to criticize the camera guys as much as making this point - if you're a camera guy (or a director) and don't know the music well, you don't know when a solo is coming up or who's taking it, so you might not be prepared for it. 

    And I'm thinking the people working on shows like Grey Whistle Test didn't know every band coming through intimately.

    And I also know that even some concert films produced by bands were rather hastily organized rather than being carefully planned out and rehearsed. And I think the fact that some of the best ones were directed by fans of the bands involved speaks for itself.

    It's the difference between being a musician just sitting in and being an established band member.

     In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 11:31:09 (permalink)
    bapu


    Will Murphy be in it?


    Maybe.


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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 11:31:19 (permalink)
    Wow Drew.

    I never thought of it that way.

    I mean.... bringing a thread back on topic like that.

    It's sheer genus of you.



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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 11:32:19 (permalink)
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    bapu


    Will Murphy be in it?


    Maybe.

    But will he care if we turn up the sound?


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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 11:34:02 (permalink)
    Just look at the Avatar... the perspective vanishes too a single point of clarity and focus.

    Isn't that effective habit #2 or something like that?




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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 11:35:34 (permalink)
    bapu


    Wow Drew.

    I never thought of it that way.

    I mean.... bringing a thread back on topic like that.

    It's sheer genus of you.




    What? Really?

    I thought I was taking it off topic.

    What are the chances?

     In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 11:40:10 (permalink)
    13 to 31


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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 11:40:51 (permalink)
    I don't know, but I'm really relaxed and mellow as long as I don't think about how bad the editing is on some music videos. 

    (I liked the editing on the Rush in Rio DVD)  Most of the time, the cameras managed to catch the action.  It wasn't perfect, but it was fun.

    I think these rails are more of a suggestion than an actual "track" that the thread must follow.  Is that why there are seven of them?

    I believe the Monkees had a routine involving a murphy bed.  I don't know that they were visited by clarity and focus, however.  They may have worn a habit, but not consistently enough to get used to the idea.

    What were you saying?
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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 11:42:47 (permalink)
    You took the words write out of my qwerty.


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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 11:56:41 (permalink)
    The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy moon.
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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 12:03:35 (permalink)
    Is that from a VW commercial?


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    Re:Why are live music videos edited so poorly 2011/06/27 16:19:25 (permalink)
    My favorite WTH? is when a guitar solo starts and the cameraman is pointed at (your choice: the singer attempting to play air guitar, the bass player getting a drink or the drummer with that silly smile on his face)...

     
    Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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