RexRed
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/24 09:03:44
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I just upgraded and once the various issues are ironed out in getting setup there is something really tight about the sound and depth of perception of my songs in platinum. They sound clearer and "deeper" (more transparent) I am a total convert now. No more X3. :)
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/24 09:58:35
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RexRed
there is something really tight about the sound and depth of perception of my songs in platinum.
I wonder if this is real or imagined. I seem to have the same feeling, but improvements of this nature were not mentioned in the feature list.
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RexRed
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/24 10:09:49
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cparmerlee
RexRed
there is something really tight about the sound and depth of perception of my songs in platinum.
I wonder if this is real or imagined. I seem to have the same feeling, but improvements of this nature were not mentioned in the feature list.
When bugs are fixed they are going to free up resources to make the sound better.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/24 10:11:47
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I suppose it's possible any feature that touches on the audio engine could make an audible difference, whether or not it was intended specifically to improve the sound. But that's just a guess.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/24 12:27:24
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Paul P
Andrew, when I mentioned AD2 disappearing, I meant disappearing from the upgrade, not from installed software. If I upgrade today, I get AD2 + packs. I understand this to be part of the deal to upgrade and subject to change in the future. Will we be notified before AD2 is pulled from the upgrade, or will we just notice that it's suddenly gone, replaced by something else ?
Before, the 'free' third-party elements were known to be available for the duration of the version, and we expected them to possibly change in the next version. Now, there are no longer versions, so will we be notified of changes to the makeup of the current state of the version before they happen ? I realize that before we didn't know when a version would change, but we could guess pretty accurately.
I imagine there will be some notification and heads up that we will be pulling a product from a future version. Deals like this are definitely subject to terms and length. But right now, there's no plan to pull anything.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/24 20:35:54
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
I imagine there will be some notification and heads up that we will be pulling a product from a future version. Deals like this are definitely subject to terms and length. But right now, there's no plan to pull anything.
Thanks, can't ask for more than that.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/25 11:29:01
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Forgive my skepticism, but "John", forum host, offered a post that, if it were turned on its head and made a negative, would have everyone shouting "Troll!! Troll!!!" . Give some specifics, Johnny. I can't see that any of the things in X3 that make it unusable for the midi world (click on a "focus point" of a midi note, left right top or bottom, in a sequence with a million notes? come on cakewalk) have been improved in platinum.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/25 12:05:40
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williamcopper
Forgive my skepticism, but "John", forum host, offered a post that, if it were turned on its head and made a negative, would have everyone shouting "Troll!! Troll!!!" . Give some specifics, Johnny. I can't see that any of the things in X3 that make it unusable for the midi world (click on a "focus point" of a midi note, left right top or bottom, in a sequence with a million notes? come on cakewalk) have been improved in platinum.
Are you talking about me? If so you have it 100 % wrong. I open my post in this thread with X3 being great. The exact quote is"Sonar X3 e Producer was a great version and it still is". Where am I saying its perfect? Where do I say there is no room for improvement? Yes the PRV has undergone some major improvements with Sonar Platinum. This thread is about a member asking if upgrading is worth while. I answered with what I believe is the truth. How can you find fault with that? No one calls me Johnny. That is rude. My name is John.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/25 15:18:43
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I side with being current. Sans any bug additions, current saves time in a few ways.
One, the content of many posts are generally about the current product - not always certainly. I scan this every day looking for features I didn't catch, new technology additions and the like. If I stayed on past products, I would have to search in a more defined approach.
Two, the developers of the latest technology, aren't resting on their past success, or they might experience the customer shift that blackberry experienced... meaning that they listen to customers and incorporate changes that improve the user experience so to speak. I find that those simple changes can make improvements in time..
I also have another driver, and its not rational. I hate looking at a post and then say WHAT??? I wish I had that...
If the cost is important enough to anyone, I might suggest that staying out of debt is a great consideration. Especially going from one version to the next. I would rather anyone sleep well at night, have less contention in money matters with others than to get the next new shiny thing and have to pay any consequence which that decision brings.
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Anderton
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/25 19:45:53
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John
williamcopper
Forgive my skepticism, but "John", forum host, offered a post that, if it were turned on its head and made a negative, would have everyone shouting "Troll!! Troll!!!" . Give some specifics, Johnny. I can't see that any of the things in X3 that make it unusable for the midi world (click on a "focus point" of a midi note, left right top or bottom, in a sequence with a million notes? come on cakewalk) have been improved in platinum.
Are you talking about me? If so you have it 100 % wrong. I open my post in this thread with X3 being great. The exact quote is"Sonar X3 e Producer was a great version and it still is". Where am I saying its perfect? Where do I say there is no room for improvement?
Yes the PRV has undergone some major improvements with Sonar Platinum.
This thread is about a member asking if upgrading is worth while. I answered with what I believe is the truth. How can you find fault with that? No one calls me Johnny. That is rude. My name is John.
The first time I read what williamcopper said, I saw it the same way you did (his parenthetical phrase screwed up the flow). What he was saying is that he found X3 "unusable" for MIDI work and didn't see anything in Platinum that would not make it "unusable." Unless I'm misinterpreting what he's saying, which is entirely possible, he basically doesn't like position context in notes, apparently he doesn't like to zoom to have a bigger target, and his music requires "a million" notes so he finds precision mouse pointing difficult. Personally, I think it would be possible to devise a workflow with keyboard shortcuts and locked contents that would handle his issues, but maybe not. He's not clear enough in specifics for me to know for sure. I'm sure many people will be surprised they've been using something unusable, though. 
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/25 21:11:35
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I did read it wrong at first but I got the double negative in time to alter my reply Craig. I start by extolling the virtues of X3 and than I changed it to it not being perfect. It reads a little badly but its in keeping with the way William Copper writes. 
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/25 21:57:21
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I wouldn't worry about it. He posted a few hours ago that he's using Cubase now, so I doubt we'll see him much more around here. Most of his posts were about how X3 didn't fit with his particular workflow, which I gather is different from the norm. As I say often, this is why there isn't only one DAW in the world. If one DAW fit everyone's needs, everyone would buy it and all the other ones would disappear. Last time I looked there were quite a few...
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/26 04:52:29
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I think we're lucky he's using Cubase.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/26 07:18:32
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stickman393
1. Bugfixes. lingyai
...despite still having lots to learns and having met a few bugs/quirks, I can live with them, as on my setup, Sonar X3e is the most solid, stable 64-bit, appealing DAW I've used. Computers being computers, I am nervous about leaving this relatively solid rock for a new version, because while some new versions fix old bugs, they sometimes don't fix them for everyone, and / or create new ones. Paul P
That said, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot wrong with the new Sonar, and a lot of old bugs have apparently been fixed. Anderton
At present bug fixes consist of whittling down the queue of known bugs, and collecting user info about any bugs that are in the new version. ... But the reality is X3e didn't have a lot of bugs that affected typical workflows; they became revealed as you pushed it over time. Paul P
Yes, but all the bugs they uncovered have yet to be patched. mettelus
+1 to Paul P... X3e is a proven platform with a nice track record - bugs are well known, and relatively minor. SilkTone
The bugs that are there aren't critical from what I can tell. ... Not just that, but the days of having a big release that brings many new bugs, followed by a bunch of patch releases to fix the most serious are over. ... And you can install Sonar versions side-by-side, so it's not as if you can't go back to X3e if you do run into a showstopper bug. I think us Cakewalkers deserve to have the word "bug" removed from our vocabulary! We talk about bugs way too much! But if there were no bugs, then would there be a forum? Well, of course, YES! Silktone, I love the "showstopper bug"! I've never heard that one before! But with any software, perhaps a bit too much with Sonar, and especially with new releases... 
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/26 10:01:47
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John
I think we're lucky he's using Cubase.
Yes, I checked back over previous posts and almost most of them were complaints about SONAR, except for the one where he discovered Track Manager and thought it was cool. I can't for the life of me understand why people keep beating themselves up with software if it doesn't suit them. You can't force the software to adapt to your workflow, it is what it is and it is designed for specific needs. For example Ableton Live has a very different workflow compared to traditional DAWs, yet I see people complaining that it doesn't work like a traditional DAW. That's because it's not a traditional DAW.
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