Musicalguit
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Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
I have a project and I am trying to add reverb to a guitar bus.
As soon as I add ANY reverb effect (like Breverb or the Sonitus one),
I get popping and or crashing immediately.
PROCHANNEL:
I have prochannel settings active on both the individual tracks and the bus (tube, console, EQ).
If I turn off tube and console on ONE of the signals (either the guitar tracks or the bus) it works
fine.
Why is this happening?
Is there a workaround? - Maybe turn them off on the track and turn up the effect in the bus?
My specs:
16 gig ram. 2 CPU (8 core) system.
Audiophile 192 - 192k at 48.
Project on 192 at 48.
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/19 15:03:59
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Shouldn't be a problem. Maybe some interaction with another 3rd-party plug-in? See if you can reproduce it in a minimal project started from SONAR's Normal template. If not, it's something project-specific. But if you can reproduce it, there might be some interoperability problem with hardware, drivers, or some other software on your system.
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/20 01:11:40
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Sounds like the Mixing Latency needs adjustment in Preferences.
Try adjusting it up and down until the popping stops.
If your using ASIO and/or an outboard audio interface, it may have it's own utility for that.
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/20 07:54:04
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Yeah, sounds like a some resource-Bogarting is going on and the latency cannot keep up. Increase your latency buffer size and test again.
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/20 08:47:22
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Musicalguit
I have a project and I am trying to add reverb to a guitar bus.
As soon as I add ANY reverb effect (like Breverb or the Sonitus one),
I get popping and or crashing immediately.
PROCHANNEL:
I have prochannel settings active on both the individual tracks and the bus (tube, console, EQ).
If I turn off tube and console on ONE of the signals (either the guitar tracks or the bus) it works
fine.
Why is this happening?
Is there a workaround? - Maybe turn them off on the track and turn up the effect in the bus?
My specs:
16 gig ram. 2 CPU (8 core) system.
Audiophile 192 - 192k at 48.
Project on 192 at 48.
You might try recording at a lower sample rate than 192 if I'm reading your post correctly.
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/20 21:18:49
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/21 01:48:19
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"Project on 192 at 48"
Bit depth 48? Very uncommon IMO. There's no reason IMO to have samplerate set higher than 24 bits.
Is there a particular reason to use such a high sample rate - 192 kHz? You spend huge amounts of HDD space gaining practically nothing.
I don't know about Prochannel and Breverb, but AFAIK there are lots of plugins which can not operate with such settings, so you might bump into unpleasant surprises in the long run - wanting to add an FX or soft synth which can't be used with those settings. And you can not change them just like that in the middle of a project.
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Musicalguit
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/21 12:45:52
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I know people who are truly in the music industry (not hobbyists) and the pros ALWAYS use 192.
Resources:
I already have my card set on the maximum buffer size, and the playback buffer (in sonar) to the max also. I'm not just hitting the resource limit because as long as I don't do that specific combination everthing is fine (I can add as many prochannel effects and reverb as I like). - To as many channels as I like.
No Idea why it's happening...
I will try to replicate it in another slim project and also see if I can bounce down with it.
For now I need to get on with my recording so won't respond again unless anyone knows exactly why that's happening (or what can be done).
Thanks.
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/21 14:18:14
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My specs:
16 gig ram. 2 CPU (8 core) system.
Audiophile 192 - 192k at 48.
Project on 192 at 48. I can use both on my system. You need to look at your sample rate and bit depth. I never heard of a bit depth of 48 and 192kHz is OVERKILL. The only thing you achieve at 192kHz are using more hard drive space and using more CPU and resources. There are no positives for running at 192kHz. Run at 88kHz, 48kHZ or 44.1kHz and always use 24bit, as this is the highest non floating bit depth you can get. CJ
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/22 01:08:30
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Musicalguit
I know people who are truly in the music industry (not hobbyists) and the pros ALWAYS use 192.
Thanks.
No they don't.
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/22 03:35:01
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I agree with the other posters.
Record @ 24 bit 44.1KHz and guess what?
All your problems will disappear
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/22 10:18:25
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Kalle Rantaaho
Musicalguit
I know people who are truly in the music industry (not hobbyists) and the pros ALWAYS use 192.
Thanks.
No they don't.
Absolutely. Almost nobody works at 192, in fact. It's way too resource intensive, and nobody's demonstrated a convincing benefit in double blind testing.
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/22 13:31:58
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Musicalguit
192k at 48.
Youch! Missed that. Definitely a contributing factor, and not recommended... unless maybe you're recording dog whistles or gnat farts.  And, as others have pointed out, "48" doesn't even make sense for a bit depth. 
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Musicalguit
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/23 04:47:38
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1. Questions to all above: Do you know anyone in, working for, or SIGNED to a major? - The answer is obviously no.
2. It doesn't matter that more and more major artists are releasing their albums as flacs to you (which allows the resolution)?
Of course not, you aren't musicians (just tech geeks who spend their lives on this forum).
3. If you can't hear the difference between 44.1 and 192 then you have ABSOLUTELY no business trying (pretending) to be engineers.
4. Pro's DO use it because they/we have the extra few grand to spend on systems capable of handling it.
5. Despite you spending your lives here you obviously have absolutely no understanding of what a system with my specs can do.
6. Thank you sincerely for not providing an actual explanation (or solution). So not only aren't you professional, you ALSO waste people's time!
Good job guys. Back to your wife and kids and your 9 to 5.
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/23 05:24:12
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Well, clearly YOUR system cannot handle the extra load imposed by running at absurdly high sample rates.
And you never did answer the bit depth question. What interface that you know of is capable of 48 bit recording?
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Musicalguit
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/23 05:50:07
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Bristol_Jonesey
Well, clearly YOUR system cannot handle the extra load imposed by running at absurdly high sample rates.
And you never did answer the bit depth question. What interface that you know of is capable of 48 bit recording?
I'm not just hitting the resource limit because as long as I don't do that specific combination everthing is fine (I can add as many prochannel effects and reverb as I like). - To as many channels as I like. I'm not sure exactly what part of that you don't understand. No doubt you didn't read it (thanks again). In regards to 48 I was distracted at the time, nothing more. Are you going to actually try to help now or would you like to argue more??
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/23 06:18:10
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You really owe it to yourself & your system to just try running Sonar at a typical sample rate (44.1 or 48) and see if your problems disappear.
If they do you know what's causing it.
If they don't then you have a deeper problem which hopefully can be resolved with the collective knowledge of the forum.
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/23 07:21:11
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Musicalguit
1. Questions to all above: Do you know anyone in, working for, or SIGNED to a major? - The answer is obviously no.
2. It doesn't matter that more and more major artists are releasing their albums as flacs to you (which allows the resolution)?
Of course not, you aren't musicians (just tech geeks who spend their lives on this forum).
3. If you can't hear the difference between 44.1 and 192 then you have ABSOLUTELY no business trying (pretending) to be engineers.
4. Pro's DO use it because they/we have the extra few grand to spend on systems capable of handling it.
5. Despite you spending your lives here you obviously have absolutely no understanding of what a system with my specs can do.
6. Thank you sincerely for not providing an actual explanation (or solution). So not only aren't you professional, you ALSO waste people's time!
Good job guys. Back to your wife and kids and your 9 to 5.
haha! alright.. I hope (one day when you've grown up) you will remember this post and realize how awkwardly and amazingly wrong you were about absolutely everything just wrote. :) .. I won't give this thread any more of my time cuz you obviously already "know everything" and what can a bunch of nerdy nobodies help a star like you with? ;D LMAO
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/23 10:00:22
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Oh boy. Musicalguit...
And just to make your outburst look even more embarrassing:
You did understand that nobody said nobody uses 192 kHz, didn't you?
You said "pros ALWAYS use 192 kHz" which is simply far from the truth.
Have a nice weekend.
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/23 11:39:38
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Musicalguit we have seen your type before. Its sad really that for some reason you are unable to listen to anyone on the forum. When you figure out that you don't know as much as you think you do please come back and the forum will be here to help you.
If you are of a mind please research sample rate and bit depth to find out what those terms mean. Clearly you don't have a clue.
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/23 14:00:51
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Musicalguit
1. Questions to all above: Do you know anyone in, working for, or SIGNED to a major? - The answer is obviously no.
Yeah, I've had stuff released through Sony and Universal, as well as a bunch of independent labels. Musicalguit
2. It doesn't matter that more and more major artists are releasing their albums as flacs to you (which allows the resolution)?
Of course not, you aren't musicians (just tech geeks who spend their lives on this forum).
FLAC? And we're the tech geeks? Deary me. It doesn't really matter what things are getting released in, it matters what the resolution the master is. And honestly, nobody is mastering at 192.
3. If you can't hear the difference between 44.1 and 192 then you have ABSOLUTELY no business trying (pretending) to be engineers.
Not pretending, I am one, for a living, and so are a bunch of other people here. Are you?
4. Pro's DO use it because they/we have the extra few grand to spend on systems capable of handling it.
I've got a system capable of handling it. Go on, who uses it?
5. Despite you spending your lives here you obviously have absolutely no understanding of what a system with my specs can do.
Why, it could be greased lightnin lightnin lightinin
6. Thank you sincerely for not providing an actual explanation (or solution). So not only aren't you professional, you ALSO waste people's time!
The irony. You've not given any kind of explanation for why you would use it.
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/23 14:07:33
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John T
Why, it could be greased lightnin lightnin lightinin
Although, technically speaking, I believe it requires Hydromatic mastering for that to happen.
Don't ask the question if you cannot live with the answer.
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/23 14:12:35
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I think that's Musicalguit's problem. I think he should install some overhead lifters and four barrel quads too. Oh yeah.
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/23 14:15:17
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Could be the bearings in the hard drive just needs more grease
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/23 18:23:47
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BZZZIIIIIIP! and there he goes..... Just when the clownin' around was getting good.
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/23 19:23:16
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Musicalguit
1. Questions to all above: Do I have a clue of what I'm talking about? The answer is obviously no.
There. Fixed your post for ya.
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/24 03:56:28
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☼ Best Answerby Musicalguit 2013/08/24 04:00:44
I am the only person you have ever spoken to who's recordings have been acclaimed by a producer who has sold over 16 million albums.
The only person you know with finance in the MILLIONS for an upcoming international artist launch.
You guys can circle jerk each other all you like. You all need to be on anti-psychotic meds if you think spending your lives here gives you ANY credibility. - Assuming you aren't already.
Now with all due respect, go **** yourselves (and/or each other). :D
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/24 04:36:38
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Mods, this thread should be locked
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/24 09:11:32
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☄ Helpfulby swamptooth 2013/08/26 21:06:08
They give multi-million dollar budgets to guys who can't get a reverb working right in a DAW? Wow, I missed a meeting.
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Re: Why can't use reverb and the prochannel at the same time?
2013/08/24 09:13:26
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Mods, this thread should be locked
I would go one further, I would ban Musicalguit from the forums.
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