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Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
This seems to come up for me often. I want to copy (or cut) some notes of a MIDI track in PRV and paste to another existing MIDI track, in order to try it with a different sound. But it will only paste it to the original track. Why can't I do this? It seems this shouldn't be too difficult to incorporate this into Sonar. Am I missing something???
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/07 21:30:20
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You can do it with the Track View inline PRV (i.e., Edit filter set to notes) but I don't think you can do it in the Multidock PRV. It's intended more for editing an individual track. I have no idea how easy/difficult it would be to change this behavior.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/07 21:30:21
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☄ Helpfulby bayoubill 2016/03/07 23:11:01
Have you selected the destination track (track name has pale blue background) before pasting ?
Works for me.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/07 21:32:56
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Well son of a gun...I stand corrected. Paul, you're right...file under "I learn something new every day."
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/07 21:39:06
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Well son of a gun...I stand corrected. Paul, you're right...file under "I learn something new every day."
I'm just discovering this at this very moment. I never have the PRV docked, instead in a floating window, but just tried in the multidock and encountered the same problem. I'd expect switching prv tabs in the multidock to automatically select the related track. Why would you also have to select the track, especially since it's more than likely hidden by an expanded multidock ?
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/07 22:02:01
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☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2016/03/07 22:20:33
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Well son of a gun...I stand corrected. Paul, you're right...file under "I learn something new every day."
I'm just discovering this at this very moment. I never have the PRV docked, instead in a floating window, but just tried in the multidock and encountered the same problem.
Wait...this is getting weird. I just tested it with the PRV docked, and it worked fine. I picked a track, clicked on the track number in the upper right (which is how I interpreted what you said), it turned light blue, I pasted...done. Perhaps this needs to be the next tip of the week, done in glorious detail and with Technicolor tm screen shots.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/07 22:15:45
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I picked a track, clicked on the track number in the upper right (which is how I interpreted what you said), it turned light blue, I pasted...done.
I don't use the track pane in prv either  . I usually open a window per track, so I was referring to selecting the track in Track View. I now see that selecting the track in the prv is the same thing.
Perhaps this needs to be the next tip of the week, done in glorious detail and with Technicolortm screen shots.
Please do. I'm sure a lot of us have our particular ways of doing things just because that's how we stumbled across them, not because they're necessarily the best. A study of the various options would be nice.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/07 22:20:29
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That's a new trick. I use Paste Special, where you can designate the destination track.
Recently, I've switched to the track view and I simply SHIFT+CTRL+DRAG the section I want copied. I now find that faster.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/07 22:33:27
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Paul P
I'm sure a lot of us have our particular ways of doing things just because that's how we stumbled across them, not because they're necessarily the best. A study of the various options would be nice.
Don't assume I'm necessarily using the best...it was just a few minutes ago I figured out how to paste in the docked PRV.  And even that might have been by accident due to not understanding what you said correctly. Or maybe I did.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/07 22:36:58
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What I was referring to was: I select some notes in the PRV, cut or copy, switch to a different track from the PRV track menu, then paste. It pastes to the original track.
Often I want to select a harmony & just move the harmony to a different track, and do it all in the PRV to make it nice and simple.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/07 22:42:55
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Anonymungus!
What I was referring to was: I select some notes in the PRV, cut or copy, switch to a different track from the PRV track menu, then paste. It pastes to the original track.
Often I want to select a harmony & just move the harmony to a different track, and do it all in the PRV to make it nice and simple.
I agree - I see this also. However, I think there is a little twist to the explanation. Make sure to pull out the track selection on the right side of the PRV (lists all your chosen instruments). If you select a destination track in that instrument list, you can paste into a different track. I actually think there is a bug here. I have never, until today, been able to paste into anything other than the source midi track without using Paste Special. So maybe something got fixed.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/07 22:46:26
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However, I think there is a little twist to the explanation. Make sure to pull out the track selection on the right side of the PRV (lists all your chosen instruments). If you select a destination track in that instrument list, you can paste into a different track. Exactly! That's what I meant. I actually think there is a bug here. I have never, until today, been able to paste into anything other than the source midi track without using Paste Special. So maybe something got fixed. I did it with Ctrl+V...so maybe something did get fixed. One thing I've noticed about the rolling updates that doesn't get mentioned is sometimes, fixing something fixes something else of which the Bakers aren't even aware, because it wasn't what they were trying to fix. It's sort of the opposite of fixing something that breaks something else.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/07 22:52:55
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Anonymungus!
What I was referring to was: I select some notes in the PRV, cut or copy, switch to a different track from the PRV track menu, then paste. It pastes to the original track.
So you're using the "Tracks" drop down menu at the top of the PRV window, in which you change tracks by the "Pick Tracks..." dialog ? (Another way to skin the cat !) I see what you mean about it not working properly. If you pick a new track, the display changes to the proper track and you can enter notes, select, copy, etc. but if you paste the notes go into the previously selected track because it's still the selected one. Pick Tracks doesn't cause the new track to be selected -- until you touch a note that is already in the new track at which point it becomes the selected one. This looks like a bug to me (EDIT : maybe not, see below).
post edited by Paul P - 2016/03/07 23:26:17
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/07 23:02:45
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Well, thanks for the replies. It would be real simple if, when you choose a track from the PRV track menu, that track automatically becomes the 'selected' track.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/07 23:07:56
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Pick Tracks doesn't cause the new track to be selected -- until you touch a note that is already in the new track at which point it becomes the selected one. This looks like a bug to me. I don't know. Depends on whether the rationale for picking a different track is for diagnostic purposes or for editing. I'm going to check into this further...my head is about to explode right now.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/07 23:09:21
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Help says this on the "Tracks" / "Pick Tracks..." dialog :
"Choosing the Pick Tracks command in the Piano Roll, Event List, Staff, or Lyrics views opens thePick Tracks dialog box, which allows you to choose which tracks’ data you want to display in any of the above views. To choosetracks to display, simply highlight the names of the ones you want to display. You can select non-adjacenttrack names by CTRL-clicking, and you can select adjacenttrack names by SHIFT-clicking or dragging."
It talks about 'displaying' data, not doing anything with it. This dialog allows you to select more than one track to display, but only one track can be selected at a time, so which one would it be ?
It might be best to use the Track Pane on the right of the PRV instead of this Tracks menu. You'll have to have all tracks show in the track pane (select your track numbers before opening the PRV), but you can hide the notes for each track you don't want to appear. Then it'll be an easy matter of selecting the track you want.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/08 03:51:23
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Funny I was having trouble with this as well. I noticed when I started a new project and just entered a few midi notes that I was able to lasso select and use ctrl-x to cut and then choose the next midi track clicking its name in the PRV track list and use ctrl-v to paste. It worked fine.
However I was trying to do this very thing in an existing project and I just verified that it does not work and always pastes the data back into the original midi track.
Now I need to see if I can figure out why one works and the other does not.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/08 04:06:01
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☄ Helpfulby terrybritton 2016/03/09 21:58:58
OK. I think I have sorted out why my existing project did not work like the new one did.
In my existing project I had 2 separate PRV windows open in the multidock. That seem to be what was causing the trouble. I closed both PRV windows and then opened and empty PRV and selected the same tracks I had selected before and was able to cut and paste between the different midi tracks by selecting the track on the right of the PRV.
This is good to know I was going nuts editing horn tracks the other day to get the notes moved into the correct articulations.
Thanks for posting this question.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/08 05:37:17
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There seems to be growing list of inconsistencies between behaviours within the PRV depending on weather it is docked or undocked. In most cases that I have encountered problems occur in the docked state. Fingers crossed this is getting some attention in future updates as the multidock is a great feature when screen real estate is is at a premium.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/08 16:21:11
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To do what you want requires some babying of sonar. You have to be sure not to select what you don't want, and for that you must go to the track view and select tracks, can't be done in PRV. Then, unfortunately, you have to be careful that having selected a track the selection criteria don't change. For instance, 'lasso' a group of notes to copy and paste. Looks like you just have notes, right? But once you go to track view and indicate tracks, suddently you've got a time-range selection, with everything in that range selected (controllers, patch changes, pitch wheel, aftertouch, etc etc). A complicated PITA, with what you want to do and what's possible two different things.
It's my pleasure to be here on the forum with this advice because of a recent crash, losing a couple hours of painstaking work, from exactly this kind of bug in Sonar. Select, copy, cut, paste: THERE ARE BUGS.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/08 16:33:17
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☄ Helpfulby tenfoot 2016/03/08 20:48:04
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It's my pleasure to be here on the forum with this advice because of a recent crash, losing a couple hours of painstaking work, from exactly this kind of bug in Sonar.
You keep mentioning losing hours of painstaking work. You really should save periodically. When I first started using computers back in the days of CP/M and 8" floppies, I asked a computer guru how often I should save. His answer was "any time you have something you don't want to lose." That advice has served me very well for close to four decades. Ctrl+S takes under a second, "Save As..." a little longer.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/08 16:43:51
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True. I know it. But when you get in the groove, nothing registers except moving forward, things are going great. It only seems like 10 minutes have elapsed, until the crash and you review where you were last time the project was saved.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/08 17:00:07
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For instance, 'lasso' a group of notes to copy and paste. Looks like you just have notes, right? But once you go to track view and indicate tracks, suddently you've got a time-range selection, with everything in that range selected (controllers, patch changes, pitch wheel, aftertouch, etc etc). A complicated PITA, with what you want to do and what's possible two different things.
Unchecking 'Select Controllers Along With Notes' in the Controllers tab of the PRV is not working?
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/08 19:04:11
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☄ Helpfulby tenfoot 2016/03/08 20:47:51
As we all probably know, this copy and paste behavior can be a bit tricky (sometimes it works, sometimes it does not). What I have discovered is if you PASTE something and it doesn't show up in the newly selected track that you thought it should, it went somewhere and I highly suggest you hit CNTL Z before you try to paste again. I think this is how many users are getting double notes in their MIDI tracks, that is, they actually pasted it back to where it was copied from without knowing.
That is all the wisdom for one day from me,
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/08 19:45:05
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As we all probably know, this copy and paste behavior can be a bit tricky ..
That is all the wisdom for one day from me,
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^^^^^ CTRL-Z is your friend with copy & paste  I don't know how many times I've had the "where the heck did they go?" and the later finding double-notes. I do think something got fixed, and doing it directly in the PRV as described definitely is more intuitive.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/09 14:04:46
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Brundlefly: "Unchecking 'Select Controllers Along With Notes' in the Controllers tab of the PRV is not working?"
That option is so flawed that is is always unchecked. The trouble is with the interaction between PRV and track view. If you touch a track header in track view, your selection changes from a specific set of things to a time range selection.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/09 14:55:58
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Brundlefly: "Unchecking 'Select Controllers Along With Notes' in the Controllers tab of the PRV is not working?"
That option is so flawed that is is always unchecked. The trouble is with the interaction between PRV and track view. If you touch a track header in track view, your selection changes from a specific set of things to a time range selection.
Good one; a gratuitous feature-bashing two-fer. As usual, you're obfuscating the issue with 'drive-by' postings that don't contain enough detail to be of any value to anyone, and are more about airing your many frustrations with SONAR than about helping the OP. All I can tell you is that I don't experience the PRV selection changing just by touching a track header in the TV to make it the target for the paste. And I think it's been established that you can select the target track in the PRV track pane so long as you don't have a locked PRV interfering with this functionality.
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/09 15:13:37
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Even trying to copy/paste audio from one location to another on the same track can be hit or miss. Select and Copy the audio on say track 3, move the timeline and press paste...nothing... then I zoom all over the project and find the audio pasted on track 18 (or some other random track)?!? huh? I just selected audio on track 3, why didn't it paste on track 3??
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/09 18:17:17
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... I highly suggest you hit CNTL Z before you try to paste again.
I've never gotten more than one paste. I have to go back and reCopy, then paste again. Typically, if something is copied to the clipboard, you can keep pasting. Not so in Sonar, (unless I'm doing something wrong, which might well be true).
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Re: Why can't we copy & paste from one MIDI track to another in PRV?
2016/03/09 18:22:26
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Even trying to copy/paste audio from one location to another on the same track can be hit or miss. Select and Copy the audio on say track 3, move the timeline and press paste...nothing... then I zoom all over the project and find the audio pasted on track 18 (or some other random track)?!? huh? I just selected audio on track 3, why didn't it paste on track 3??
Yep! Very frustrating. I've gotten to the point where, (in Take Lanes), I just create another lane and drag the copy there and then drag to where ever I need to paste. It would sure be nice if you could just click where you'd like the clip pasted and it would. Paul
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