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Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
This puzzles me because I finish something, bounce it and then I'm done. I move on. Last week's work is done and forgotten about like last night's dinner. Often I delete the project because I know I can recreate it quickly again if need be.
Why do people hold onto DAW music projects and test them with latest builds when they are several years old?
What is going on???
To quote the great Gottfried: WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE!!!???
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/10/25 11:09:53
Suppose George Jones or Brian Eno called you and said, "well, I'd like to produce your song, but we need some changes in the mix. can you send me the stems?" Happens to me all the time. 
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/25 09:22:43
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^^Good answer :o)
I keep the projects and go back to them in order learn. Sometimes I find my 5 year old approach to something actually sounds better than some new one I've been excited about. Or I learn a new way of using a new VST and want to try if that works for some older problem spot, too. etc etc.
I guess I would not act like that if I were a professional, selling my music, having deadlines and lack of time. But anyway, I would not delete the projects.
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/25 09:43:20
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I use old projects to test out new software. Is that new de-esser all it claims to be? Let's see if it does better than the sidechained compressor I used 5 years ago. Is my new string library the cat's meow? Let's drop it into this old project and see if it's really better than the Dim Pro patch I used 10 years ago.
Sometimes, hearing an old project yields an unexpected revelation. Wow, the reverb sounds good in that one, let's look and see what I used on it. Pantheon? No sh*t? I stopped using that in 2007 because I thought it was crap.
Pulling up old projects can also be good for one's self-confidence. Maybe the project sounds pretty good considering you didn't have any FabFilter, iZotope or ValhallaDSP stuff at the time, which gives you hope that you might actually know what you're doing after all.
Or it can be depressing, because even with all your subsequently-added Kontakt libraries your new stuff doesn't sound any more convincing than it did a decade ago. Or you realize that today it would be impossible to replicate the high harmony you sang back then, at least without hiring a female vocalist.
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/25 10:14:01
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To be an ever bother to the bakers?
I have some stuff from waaaaaaay back just waitng for the Nov release.
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
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I have projects that I'll never finish because I just seem to enjoy tinkering with them, getting pissed with the way they sound and then reinventing them into something new. I have one that's 3 years old that I still fire up from time to time just for fun. I don't even care if I finish it or not, will be a nice surprise if I do, but I'd like to think my DAW could always load it without a hitch.
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/25 11:50:27
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I keep most of them because I'm almost never actually done with them. I have some songs I've recut and reimagined in many different ways. Eventually most finally "click" and are finished...but not always. I work the same way with my painting and writing projects. Go figure.
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/25 11:56:32
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I can't toss them out.
I have learned to convert all tracks to waves files so I never need to rely on midi or internal instruments.
It's rewarding to go back and remix them which I have recently done on a couple songs.
I use a 1 trig HD for all my music files which gets backed up to a 1 1trig backup drive so I will hopefully alwasys have these old guys around.
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/25 12:52:18
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If my "30 year safe storage CD/PD" hadn't disintegrated taking all my older work, I would have LOVED to have it still around for all sorts of reasons. backwoods
To quote the great Gottfried: WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE!!!???
I'm curious about the opposite, besides you (obviously), you DOESN'T keep their old work? 
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/25 13:29:38
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I keep old projects because I like to open them up and listen to them occasionally, maybe tinker around with the mixes a bit. It's nice to have a record of stuff, and it takes up very little space. Sometimes good to revisit guitar parts and things and get ideas for new projects. Not sure what would be a good reason to delete it all really.
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/25 13:41:25
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I keep them because they all represent pieces of my own creative effort.
Considering the rareness of such stuff, I figure they are incredibly valuable!!
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/25 14:01:04
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Rimshot
I can't toss them out.
I have learned to convert all tracks to waves files so I never need to rely on midi or internal instruments.
It's rewarding to go back and remix them which I have recently done on a couple songs.
I use a 1 trig HD for all my music files which gets backed up to a 1 1trig backup drive so I will hopefully alwasys have these old guys around.
That's what I do if I want to keep something. Bounce everything down to waves. Then one copy goes onto CD and another to external harddrive. I don't really ever revisit any of it though. I don't go looking at old photos much either. Different strokes for different folks.
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/25 14:05:42
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Oddly, I have almost zero interest in old photos and memoribilia. Again, go figure.
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2015/10/25 18:22:00
Geeze. This is the digital age. You can keep audio stuff almost forever in less space than a pair of socks and use a computer to search for it when you misplace it. Your use once and throw away system is better suited to condoms than Sonar projects.
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/25 18:12:54
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yorolpal
Oddly, I have almost zero interest in old photos and memoribilia. Again, go figure.
Yep, me too.
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2015/10/25 19:48:24
backwoods
This puzzles me because I finish something, bounce it and then I'm done. I move on. Last week's work is done and forgotten about like last night's dinner. Often I delete the project because I know I can recreate it quickly again if need be.
Why do people hold onto DAW music projects and test them with latest builds when they are several years old?
What is going on???
To quote the great Gottfried: WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE!!!???
When I finish a project and export it I burn the entire PC and blow up the hard drive.... Art....
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/25 20:03:38
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backwoods
This puzzles me because I finish something, bounce it and then I'm done. I move on. Last week's work is done and forgotten about like last night's dinner. Often I delete the project because I know I can recreate it quickly again if need be.
Why do people hold onto DAW music projects and test them with latest builds when they are several years old?
What is going on???
To quote the great Gottfried: WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE!!!???
When I finish a project and export it I burn the entire PC and blow up the hard drive....
Art....
That's how Hilary Clinton answers emails too. But it does make it difficult to update all drivers, reset BIOS and list system specs.
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/25 20:29:06
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Geeze. This is the digital age. You can keep audio stuff almost forever in less space than a pair of socks and use a computer to search for it when you misplace it. Your use once and throw away system is better suited to condoms than Sonar projects.
I'm not exactly in the tremendous artist category so it would feel like I was collecting c--p. If I had the talent of the Beatles it would be nice to rerelease a slight variation every five, six years and pretend that the new one was the definitive and final one and make mega bucks :) Not sure the condom dispersal systemcan't also be applied to the sock (full of data)
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/25 20:52:23
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Occasionally i reload old mixes from 10-12 years ago and the remix results are always better,to my ears anyway-whether it`s the hands on experience gained or the judicious use of new tools i dont know but but some of my early drum tracks have benefited enormously from Drumagog and modern compressors and limiters are far more accurate than 10 years ago with Sonar 2!!
Plus,i dont know how many times i have had to recover projects(CWB's before i switched to Project files)from backup when artists decide to revisit and remix earlier work-(sometimes their best),years later.
interestingly i cant imagine an artist "digitally remixing and remastering" a portrait or landscape whereas,is there such a thing as the "perfect mix"?
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/25 21:07:44
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Interesting comparison webbs hill. I suppose fine arts guys sometimes do the same object over and over and over again- Monet and his haystacks, the schizophrenic guy and his cats and some start over without finishing first attempt. probably some keep early drafts/concept sheets, others not.
I actually do load a track made of wavs when I want to trial or learn another daw.
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/26 05:26:44
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I keep everything in case I want to revisit an old project for whatever reason. I don't see any reason not to, since I have plenty of storage space. I have actually loaded an old project or two years later to see what the heck I did (good or bad.) I'm another one who's not really interested in old photos or other memorabilia, but I do keep all my old DAW projects.
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
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☄ Helpfulby backwoods 2015/10/26 16:48:30
Yes.... If you're just writing and recording for fun, there's really no need to keep anything other than the exported tracks. Some projects can exceed a gig or more of space.... so deleting makes sense.
If you're sending to film and TV libraries and publishers, it's a good idea to hold the original files, archived to a storage drive if need be. You never know when a library may call and say.... "so and so big wig TV producer likes your song but they don't like the fiddle part... can you give them the song without the fiddle?" and if you have deleted it, rebuilding the song from scratch may take too long..... especially if the request is "and oh, by the way, we need this tomorrow morning" for inclusion into the tv show or film.
Save the projects and save them in such a way they are easy to find again. nothing bites like searching and not being able to find a critical song because you have it under a different name.
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/26 12:48:25
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These pretty much cover it for me: yorolpal
I keep most of them because I'm almost never actually done with them.
jamesg1213
I keep old projects because I like to open them up and listen to them occasionally, maybe tinker around with the mixes a bit. It's nice to have a record of stuff, and it takes up very little space.
BobF
I keep them because they all represent pieces of my own creative effort.
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
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☄ Helpfulby jbow 2015/10/27 10:19:21
I keep mine because I'm a hoarder.
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
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Guitarhacker
Yes.... If you're just writing and recording for fun, there's really no need to keep anything other than the exported tracks. Some projects can exceed a gig or more of space.... so deleting makes sense.
If you're sending to film and TV libraries and publishers, it's a good idea to hold the original files, archived to a storage drive if need be. You never know when a library may call and say.... "so and so big wig TV producer likes your song but they don't like the fiddle part... can you give them the song without the fiddle?" and if you have deleted it, rebuilding the song from scratch may take too long..... especially if the request is "and oh, by the way, we need this tomorrow morning" for inclusion into the tv show or film.
Save the projects and save them in such a way they are easy to find again. nothing bites like searching and not being able to find a critical song because you have it under a different name.
This makes sense to me.
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
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Suppose George Jones or Brian Eno called you and said, "well, I'd like to produce your song, but we need some changes in the mix. can you send me the stems?"
Happens to me all the time.
If Brian calls, Beagle, tell him that Pedro said his music was getting boring and that he misses the Warm Jets and then some! NP: Baby's on Fire!
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/27 12:06:18
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Somebody already mentioned they like to keep track of their musical creativity …+1 The bulk of my saved songs projects are works in progress . So on the days when life gets tough , I need a good laugh Kenny
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
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Hi, The way I see it, is ... how to update things so you don't lose the song, since nowadays, technology is changing so fast that pretty soon that LP ain't gonna play anywhere. I would make sure, at least, that you can bring the song up in a new version and a 2nd version, and a final version that is not susceptible to a company that dies and you lose your product. I, now, have ALL of my writing on a computer, and luckily, I started on computers on 1989 and I knew that doing a poem on a typewriter was not effective and too slow a process to help you along the whole thing. The computer, is specially helpful with novels, short stories and the "flow" kind of thinking and writing ... is neat and a breeze with them! It was way harder before, because if you got interrupted, it was hard to pick it up and continue. I have printed and digital copies of my work, btw. But not sure, Have no idea actually, how many of the folks here actually have a staff with their songs on it, for publication purposes, or future possibilities ... I would imagine that is a seriously important part of the work, but maybe I think about this more than it really is. I love the poem I wrote 35 years ago, as much as I do one today, and I marvel at the difference ... I have never looked at it as ... gosh, you were so stupid and such a kid! ... it's how you learned to ride a bike ... so what? Appreciate it ... there is some beauty in there ... some real beauty!
post edited by Moshkito - 2015/10/27 13:25:24
Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides!
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Re: Why do people seem to keep all their old DAW projects?
2015/10/27 15:05:30
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This seems true for me. I found my first recording I did with GTpro on a disc. I even found my song old man joe which was the first song I did in Sonar. They sound funny to me now. It's been a fun ride!
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