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2011/10/06 12:10:05 (permalink)

Why do use JBridge over BitBridge??

I've probably asked this question before but if you use JBridge instead of BitBridge....why??  It's been my experience that I haven't found a single plugin (and I've got tons) that runs better under JBridge than BitBridge.  I know everyone's system is different tho so what exact plugins "require" JBridge over BitBridge.  And/or what functionality do you gain using JBridge instead of BitBridge.  Genuinely curious.

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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/06 12:15:47 (permalink)
I like the fact that with jBridge the plugin isn't always on top and that you can save presets. Also, I have noticed that particular plugins work better with it, e.g. Auto-Tune 7.
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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/06 12:23:38 (permalink)

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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/06 12:28:51 (permalink)
I wasn't able to run Pushetc on a 64 bit system with bitbridge but it works with jbridge..

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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/06 12:31:20 (permalink)
I can't stand bitbridge "always on top" which is may main reason, second up is that the preset arrangement is much easier for saving loading, thirdly - it sure is pretty compared to bit bridge - maybe that should be my main reason.
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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/06 13:24:52 (permalink)
I didn't know about the "presets" thing.  Hmmmm.

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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/06 14:11:43 (permalink)
I like the availability of the Step Sequencer, ACT and other buttons with JBridge which are lost with BitBridge. Much more convenient in my view.

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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/06 14:27:41 (permalink)
Some of my vsts just would not work correctly under Bit Bridge, Drumagog, the Korg Legacy Suite. These are go-to plug-ins for me especially Drumagog.
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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/06 14:54:00 (permalink)
Synplant, microtonic, IL Sawer & IL Vocodex don't work with bitbridge, barely (and i mean BARELY) work w/ jBridge

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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/06 15:22:20 (permalink)
I had better system performance using jBridge with Waves 7.  I also had some GUI issues with the Wave plugins with BitBridge that were handled better with jBridge.

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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/06 15:39:13 (permalink)
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I like the availability of the Step Sequencer, ACT and other buttons with JBridge which are lost with BitBridge. Much more convenient in my view.

Those buttons aren't really lost. If you will hold down the Shift key when opening the plug-ins UI, a second BitBridge window will open that contains all of the buttons you mention.


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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/06 16:14:39 (permalink)
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Some of my vsts just would not work correctly under Bit Bridge, Drumagog, the Korg Legacy Suite. These are go-to plug-ins for me especially Drumagog.


You are able to get the Korg Legacy to work under Sonar 64 bit??  I cannot get them to install under Win 7 64 bit much less get the VSTs to scan without crashing much less get them recoginized by Jbridge..
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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/06 16:18:26 (permalink)
musicman100, they scan fine for me, although it does slow the scan down (first scan) a bit when I had to run it. Which versions are you using? I have the original ones and all the updates. The only one that crashed SONAR since version 8 in 64 bit for me was the Legacy Cell, the others would just cause teleport server errors. Under jBridge they all work great.
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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/06 16:30:22 (permalink)
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musicman100, they scan fine for me, although it does slow the scan down (first scan) a bit when I had to run it. Which versions are you using? I have the original ones and all the updates. The only one that crashed SONAR since version 8 in 64 bit for me was the Legacy Cell, the others would just cause teleport server errors. Under jBridge they all work great.

I editeded my original post, the software wont install under win 7 64 bit ... '
 
 
Strangly enough, I just installed the Digital Edition of the Korg Legacy Collection that has the M1 and the Wavestation OK... and it did not ask for my registration .. very strange ....
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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/06 16:48:43 (permalink)
Are you using the USB key? I have that for the digital edition and once the driver is installed they run fine. What I normally do is run all the programs in stand alone mode first as Admin outside of SONAR, then if it asks for the reg key I get it that way before ever opening SONAR and doing rhe vst scan.
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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/06 17:06:18 (permalink)
No I purchased them and registered as challenge/response when I first installed them, since then I have seen they dont support C/R anymore, but I just tried scanning the VST plug ins of M1 and Waveststion under Sonar 64 and they crach ... I am tryinf the 32 bit version now , just to see if they will regiaster,, but that wont hwlp me , I run Sonar 64 .. the thing is I just opened the stand alone versions of M1 and W/S and they played fine, didnt ask for authorization or anything, I am confused right now.. BTW this is a brand new Win 7 64 bit professional O/S install so I lost all my keys and registry settings from my XP install where my Korg stuff used to reside ..

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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/06 19:19:18 (permalink)
I've got the korg digital edition and have no problems at all with it. Also IIRC Korg DID revert to a challenge response system and lost the syncro key. At least that's what I did.

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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/06 19:37:19 (permalink)
Mainly because I find it easier to use and definitelty makes the plugs look better

 
 
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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/07 01:07:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby MakeShift 2013/10/13 08:49:57
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I've probably asked this question before but if you use JBridge instead of BitBridge....why??  It's been my experience that I haven't found a single plugin (and I've got tons) that runs better under JBridge than BitBridge.  I know everyone's system is different tho so what exact plugins "require" JBridge over BitBridge.  And/or what functionality do you gain using JBridge instead of BitBridge.  Genuinely curious.
I've never had a problem with B or J bridge.

That's probably because I don't bridge any of my x86 plug-in's and I don't own J bridge.

Honestly, the best solution would be to fire up X1 x86 and save yourself all the aggravation that goes along with bridging. It's one of those unnecessary evils that people put themselves through IMO.

If you want to work in a 64 bit environment, then freeze that track in X1 x86 and fire the project up in X1 x64.

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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/07 03:25:15 (permalink)
Problems recording host automation with 32bit bitbridged plugs, of which I still have a few.

Also MIDI out problems, so with the likes of Realguitar you can enable midi out on the softsynth, and output that
to another instrument. Use the realguitar's pattern generator to double a guitar from another library etc.
Of course, now Musiclab has a 64 bit version so it's no longer a problem.
Doesn't work with bitbridge, both recording host automation and softsynth Midi-out seem to work fine using
jbridge on all the vsts I tried.
All those IK MM ones are all still 32 bit (last I checked anyway).

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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/07 04:05:34 (permalink)
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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/07 06:51:58 (permalink)
I found I needed Jbridge for BFD Eco - It worked with bitbridge but crasehed with teleport server errors occasionally, with Jbridge is still has a couple of minor issues but nothiong that stops me from using it. Kitcore is the other application I find need Jbridge.

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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/07 07:10:31 (permalink)
I didn't know about the "presets" thing. Hmmmm.
That's the main reason I use jbridge - for preset management.
 
Bitbridge is useless for this...

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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/09 06:02:06 (permalink)
I have strange issue with jBridge - it loads 64bit plugins like Kontakt and GR5 automatically, even without chacking it in Plugin Manager.

And GR likes to crash. Moreover, even If I'll uncheck "load using jBridge" - it still loads using jBridge!!!!

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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/09 18:15:09 (permalink)
Bub

I've never had a problem with B or J bridge.

That's probably because I don't bridge any of my x86 plug-in's and I don't own J bridge.

Honestly, the best solution would be to fire up X1 x86 and save yourself all the aggravation that goes along with bridging. It's one of those unnecessary evils that people put themselves through IMO.

If you want to work in a 64 bit environment, then freeze that track in X1 x86 and fire the project up in X1 x64.

HTH
To each their own, I guess.

For many of us, with jBridge and/or Bitbridge, the 32 bit plugs are there and working in 64 bit.  Once the plug-in is set up, it just works seamlessly.

How in the world is that an "unnecessary evil" compared to having two versions of Sonar installed, and being forced to go back and forth between them?  Your method seems like a PITA last resort option -- certainly not one that's preferred, or even more convenient. 

IMO, of course.


 



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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2011/10/09 19:47:36 (permalink)
JonD:

I see you've met Bub. LOL

Yor Ol Pal:

I use jBridge over BitBridge because I like the ability to have the Give all keystrokes to plug in button, stepsequencer button, Read-automation button, write-automation button, and solo button easily accessible on the GUI of my bridged plug ins.

You have to open the plug in GUI while holding down Shift, to have these buttons accessible using BitBridge, and even then it's two windows open, which is not attractive to me.

With jBridge it's one GUI window, which looks nice. :)

Also jBridge retains significant features of my 32bit plug ins. For instance, I still use the DR-008 drum sampler. When I use BitBridge, and save a project with a kit loaded into the DR-008, upon re-opening that project, the kit is not automatically loaded as it is when I'm using the 32bit version of SONAR and the DR-008. And I have to go through the red tape of browsing to load the kit back into the DR-008, everytime!
However, if I use jBridge, the kit I saved is automatically loaded when I re-open a project I saved with a kit loaded. That's a somewhat little thing, but it matters to me. :)


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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2013/10/12 18:27:17 (permalink)
With jbridge, I can be focused on the plugin and when I press the space bar, the track still plays.
 
With bitbridge I gotta click out of the plugin, onto sonar to playback - this is definitely annoying.
 
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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2013/10/13 00:51:07 (permalink)
I wish there was a way to switch bitbridge off and use only jbridge insread of having to do it on plugin by plugin basis.

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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2013/10/13 03:11:10 (permalink)
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I wish there was a way to switch bitbridge off and use only jbridge insread of having to do it on plugin by plugin basis.



While AFAIK it's not possible to switch bitbridge off, it is possible to set jbridge as default on a plugin "category" basis. **
 
  • Open the plugin manager click on the Category type in the left hand list.
  • Click on options in the "VST configuration" section
  • Click folder defaults in the dialogue that opens
  • Check "Load using jbridge wrapper" and okay your way out.
 
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Re:Why do use JBridge over BitBridge?? 2013/10/13 03:19:43 (permalink)
Hey Karl., I was just looking at your old thread about problems with ProChannel and Bitbridge in X1. In connection with resolving that, Noel wrote:
 
"- Go to plugin manager and Take OUT the use jBridge setting at the "folder defaults" level. i,e, you do NOT want to tell the scanner to apply jBridge to every plugin. This is actually a bad idea in general since you are making your system inefficient for plugin processing. "
 
The ProChannel issue was fixed as a bug, but I think he's saying you don't want to do this anyway, because it's going to end up bridging your 64-bit plugins that don't need it.

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