Mooch4056
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Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
Sorry folks at cake - but I am always in console view in my feelings were hurt bad when you took the click and drag feature away of moving tracks around. So now you fixed it but we have to hold ctrl - then click and drag why can't we just click and drag it like previous versions? sometimes both my hands are in use when doing things with the mouse and a surface control - you know?
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 13:33:58
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Mooch4056
Sorry folks at cake - but I am always in console view in my feelings were hurt bad when you took the click and drag feature away of moving tracks around.
So now you fixed it but we have to hold ctrl - then click and drag
why can't we just click and drag it like previous versions?
sometimes both my hands are in use when doing things with the mouse and a surface control -
you know?
Maybe this will make it better Mooch using ALT. Console Selection Enhancements and Re-ordering - It is now possible to select non-adjacent tracks in the Console View. To do this hold SHIFT or CTRL while clicking on a track strip's Track Number field
- It is also now possible to re-order tracks. Hold ALT while dragging a track to change its position. This gesture is available from any open part of a track strip
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 15:10:00
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Click+Drag in X1 creates a Quick Group.
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 16:56:02
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Click+Drag in X1 creates a Quick Group.
right I see that...... BUT..... I would rather have to click and hold Ctrl in order to group .... BUT THEN just click and drag with out using or doing anything else to move ONE track this is not a deal breaker for me - that I need two hands to do this ....and I am not mad like a raving lunatic or anything and I like being able to group but I also liked clicking and dragging a SINGLE track - with just a mouse click.... on those occasion I only need one track moved - which is usually how things fall due to my particular work flow
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 16:58:51
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Click+Drag in X1 creates a Quick Group.
right I see that......
BUT..... I would rather have to click and hold Ctrl in order to group ....
BUT THEN just click and drag with out using or doing anything else to move ONE track
this is not a deal breaker for me - that I need two hands to do this ....and I am not mad like a raving lunatic or anything and I like being able to group
but I also liked clicking and dragging a SINGLE track - with just a mouse click.... on those occasion I only need one track moved - which is usually how things fall due to my particular work flow
I think it's a valid preference for sure and thanks for letting us know. I'm sure this will continue to be evaluated and to evolve and customer reaction such as your own is an important factor.
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 17:05:22
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Mooch4056 you may or may not find this useful as a workround.
Have you tried click lock found in the control Panel->mouse settings? If you hold alt+click with click lock on you can then release the alt button and the mouse button but still drag tracks around. Click again to release.
The click time to activate the click lock is adjustable. I use it all the time but it is a little disconcerting at first. You may find it useful.
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 17:44:09
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Click+Drag in X1 creates a Quick Group.
right I see that......
BUT..... I would rather have to click and hold Ctrl in order to group ....
BUT THEN just click and drag with out using or doing anything else to move ONE track
this is not a deal breaker for me - that I need two hands to do this ....and I am not mad like a raving lunatic or anything and I like being able to group
but I also liked clicking and dragging a SINGLE track - with just a mouse click.... on those occasion I only need one track moved - which is usually how things fall due to my particular work flow
I think it's a valid preference for sure and thanks for letting us know. I'm sure this will continue to be evaluated and to evolve and customer reaction such as your own is an important factor.
For what it's worth, I totally agree. They should be switched around. My guess is that moving tracks in CV happens alot more than quick groups. But then you'd have to change the name to "not as quick groups" 
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 17:52:53
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I too was curious as to WHY they changed it in the first place.
I mean...if you're open to "evaluating it".
Were there complaints from customers....were there those that were begging Cake to change it so that we had to use the ALT key in addition to a mouse click?
I sure would have liked to know there was a debate before it got changed.
I don't understand why anyone would have taken a perfectly simple, often used, and decade-spanning feature like this and change it. Err...scratch that....they FORGOT to include it in the initial release AND the subsequent patch fix.
Unbelievable.
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 18:09:42
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well yeah ... I am glad they brought it back ......but it makes more sense to have to use the mouse click AND Crtl group only when grouping tracks - thats how word processors work and then keep it as a single click to drag when not grouping - then it would be PERFECT!! 
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 18:20:23
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+1 here. I nauturaly would click & drag and then, to quick group, Click with a modifier key. I can learn the other way but you asked
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 18:26:49
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Don't hang me now but..
I think the change makes sense.
I use groups more often than I rearranges the tracks, therefore, the most frequently used function should be the easiest to access.
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 18:33:17
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Krokodilen
Don't hang me now but..
I think the change makes sense.
I use groups more often than I rearranges the tracks, therefore, the most frequently used function should be the easiest to access.
K
+1
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 18:58:26
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Mooch4056
well yeah ...
I am glad they brought it back ......but it makes more sense to have to use the mouse click AND Crtl group only when grouping tracks - thats how word processors work
and then keep it as a single click to drag when not grouping -
then it would be PERFECT!!
agreed as much as possible Sonar should follow regular windows conventions. It's kind of like copy and paste. Sure we could put them on other hot keys, but it's VERY confusing/frustrating.
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 19:21:07
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Krokodilen
Don't hang me now but..
I think the change makes sense.
I use groups more often than I rearranges the tracks, therefore, the most frequently used function should be the easiest to access.
K
Put me down as a yes vote too.
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 19:57:22
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Krokodilen
Don't hang me now but..
I think the change makes sense.
I use groups more often than I rearranges the tracks, therefore, the most frequently used function should be the easiest to access.
K
Put me down as a yes vote too.
so it makes sense to people who group a lot but not to people like me who dont group alot so then what would be the solution to please both types of people?
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 20:01:41
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click once to grab -- double click to go into group mode?
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 20:45:24
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You've got my vote too!
The less 2-hand operation the better for me...
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 22:18:27
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so it makes sense to people who group a lot but not to people like me who dont group alot
so then what would be the solution to please both types of people?
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 22:56:35
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I would have thought that there could be a particular area on the channel strip where you could click and drag to move that channel. Maybe the area just above or under the track name? Then you could still use click and drag for grouping, if you don't click on that particular area. Just an idea.
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/21 23:13:34
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because if you didnt you'd be checking every other track
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/22 14:35:29
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this is just a bump
to remind you about .....
what I think about crtl - Alt to move a SINGLE Track
carry on ......
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/23 01:24:39
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Mooch4056
this is just a bump
to remind you about .....
what I think about crtl - Alt to move a SINGLE Track
carry on ......
really I am serious!
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Re:Why do we have to hold Ctrl to drag in console view?
2011/03/23 14:47:37
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really I am serious! I am!
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