Why does X3 default to audio off?

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2014/01/27 23:07:25 (permalink)

Why does X3 default to audio off?

Why do I have to enable audio every time I load X3?  Is there a config file entry for this?
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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/27 23:10:06 (permalink)
    Do you mean that Sonar starts with the audio engine off and you have to click the little button? I've never encountered that, so maybe you mean something else?

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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/27 23:14:59 (permalink)
    As long as my audio device is up an running before I start Sonar, as soon as a project is loaded I just press the space bar and I have sound.

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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/28 00:39:23 (permalink)
    It is not clear what you are having to "turn on" 
    Every DAW I use will play audio unless I turn something down, or turn off the audio engine. 

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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/28 01:10:18 (permalink)
    Anderton
    Do you mean that Sonar starts with the audio engine off and you have to click the little button? I've never encountered that, so maybe you mean something else?


    That's exactly it.  I have to click that button.  I don't remember having to ever do that before.
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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/28 01:27:04 (permalink)
    Very weird. I've been using X-series since X1, and never encountered that. So I can't say "No problem, I fixed it by..."
     
    Maybe first check that the interface is selected in preferences?

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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/28 01:34:35 (permalink)
    Anderton
    Very weird. I've been using X-series since X1, and never encountered that. So I can't say "No problem, I fixed it by..."
     
    Maybe first check that the interface is selected in preferences?


    The proper interface is selected and it works after clicking the button but I shouldn't have to.
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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/28 05:07:01 (permalink)
    Please update to the latest audio interface firmware and drivers.

    Then (if still not working) rename AUD.INI (plenty of posts in these forums on how to do this).

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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/28 06:30:51 (permalink)
    Hmmm, I remember having this issue in X1, some time ago. I can't remember what I did that fixed it. I will try to recall what the issue was.

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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/28 08:00:54 (permalink)
    I saw some older threads with this type of behavior.
     
    Are you by chance using ASIO4ALL?  
     
    Also, what driver-mode are you using, what audio device is Sonar using, and what is your Windows default audio device set to?
     
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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/28 09:41:49 (permalink)
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    I saw some older threads with this type of behavior.
     
    Are you by chance using ASIO4ALL?  
     
    Also, what driver-mode are you using, what audio device is Sonar using, and what is your Windows default audio device set to?
     
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    No. I'm using the latest Echo Audio drivers/firmware.
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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/28 09:49:46 (permalink)
    OK - how about your Windows default audio device and driver mode?
     
    Thanks, I am just trying to get up to speed on what and how your are running.
     
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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/28 11:04:52 (permalink)
    Do you have another piece of software, like iTunes or WMP or an internet browser, running when you load Sonar?  Sometimes, those programs hold your audio device hostage and require Sonar to take control of it by starting the audio engine.  I think there is a preference that allows sharing the audio device with other programs.  Not sure if it should be checked or unchecked to fix your problem.

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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/28 11:27:11 (permalink)
    Well, the hijacking of audio devices will only happen if other applications are set to use the same device as Sonar.  
     
    I have the Windows default audio device set to the on-board sound, and ONLY Sonar and music applications use the audio interface.
     
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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/28 12:03:43 (permalink)
    Try checking "Always Stream Audio through FX" in Prefs--->Playback & Recording. That may well help as it should keep the engine running for you in case it's stopping on load.
     
    Used to be "Always play fx tails" in earlier versions.
     
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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/28 13:31:48 (permalink)
    Are you saying that when you hit spacebar/play, there is no audio? The audio engine does not engage itself?
     
    Perhaps you have another application open that is using the audio engine, even an internet browser.
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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/28 14:06:55 (permalink)
    That's what I was wondering.
     
    I was thinking maybe the Windows default audio device is set to the audio interface, and some application is grabbing it.
     
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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/28 17:08:40 (permalink)
    Just a shot in the dark, but what happens when you press the play bar?
     
    By default, when you open Sonar, the Audio Engine button is not lit, but lights as soon as you hit play, or press the space bar.

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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/28 23:24:09 (permalink)
    My default device is a Roland Quad Capture but the Sonar device is an Echo 8Pre.  This happen on a fresh boot with nothing else open.  I don't have ASIO4ALL loaded.
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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/28 23:35:30 (permalink)
    Thanks for the explanation - It is my understanding that only 1 ASIO driver can be present and active.
     
    Do you have both devices set to use ASIO?
     
    I always use WDM drivers for Windows sounds, and actually use my on-board sound chip for the Windows default audio device.
     
    Edited - sorry got it backwards.
     
    Please, for a test, remove the Roland, and set your Windows default audio device to your on-board sound.  This is just to test the effect on your issue.
     
    Thanks, 
     
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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/29 00:01:38 (permalink)
    Yes that would cause a problem having two Audio devices. I have had to remove any PCI type audio card to get my USB interfaces to stay locked in place. Otherwise Sonar gets mixed up and reverts. 
    This is not always for "on board" but if the other card is PCI. 
     
     

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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/29 00:47:03 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the explanation - It is my understanding that only 1 ASIO driver can be present and active.
     
    Do you have both devices set to use ASIO?
     
    I always use WDM drivers for Windows sounds, and actually use my on-board sound chip for the Windows default audio device.
     
    Edited - sorry got it backwards.
     
    Please, for a test, remove the Roland, and set your Windows default audio device to your on-board sound.  This is just to test the effect on your issue.
     
    Thanks, 
     
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    Only one ASIO device can be used at a time by an app - you can use multiple ASIO drivers if each one is used by a different app.  Also I get the same issue when the Quad Capture is turned off.
     
     
     




    post edited by vintagevibe - 2014/01/29 00:58:07
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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/29 02:16:10 (permalink)
    This is new territory for me, so please forgive me.
     
    My Presonus AudioBox 1818 VSL audio interface has an option to run at Windows startup, which appears to me to load the drivers even though the audio interface may be turned off or disconnected.  I am not near my computer at the moment to confirm that.
     
    I am wondering if the Quad Capture drivers might still be loading into Windows if the interface is off.
     
    Can you check this to see if it is still loading drivers?
     
    Thanks,
     
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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/29 02:16:49 (permalink)
    First of all, the thread title is wrong - Sonar does NOT default to Audio Off. Therefore, it has to be something involving your system. Have you tried FBB's suggestion? Also, drivers can interfere with each other regardless of whether a device is talking with it or not. This is most prevalent with ASIO4ALL, but can happen (rarely) with other devices.
     
    Try using the Roland as the default interface in Sonar and see if the same thing happens.

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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/29 10:46:02 (permalink)
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    This is new territory for me, so please forgive me.
     
    My Presonus AudioBox 1818 VSL audio interface has an option to run at Windows startup, which appears to me to load the drivers even though the audio interface may be turned off or disconnected.  I am not near my computer at the moment to confirm that.
     
    I am wondering if the Quad Capture drivers might still be loading into Windows if the interface is off.
     
    Can you check this to see if it is still loading drivers?
     
    Thanks,
     
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     I made the Quad Capture the default for Sonar and restarted Sonar - the audio light came on.  I made the Echo the default again and now the audio light comes on.  So it's working properly now but whatever caused is still unknown and may cause it again.  It's definitely not a show stopper - just annoying,.




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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/29 11:13:59 (permalink)
    Well, THAT's weird.
     
    I certainly have no idea - other than that I am happy it seems to be happy with life now.  :)
     
    Thanks for the update.
     
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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/29 14:21:07 (permalink)
    Update:  It happening again.  Like I said, not a show stopper.
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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/29 14:31:59 (permalink)
    Maybe I'm not being particularly helpful but...
     
    I would recommend listing all your hardware and software in your footer like mine (as much detail as possible), I'm sort of confused right now. Also (sorry) I was confused about what your default Windows device was (check Bobs comments) although I notice he was satified with your response.
     
    Then I can start scratching my head... Did you try renaming you AUD.INI?
     
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    Re: Why does X3 default to audio off? 2014/01/29 16:32:41 (permalink)
    Alex, it was more that I ran out of notions.
     
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