southpaw3473
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Why does my exported mix sound different?
I've been mixing a project for a client and the mixes that are bounced (exported) sound, well, different than they do in Sonar. There is a brittleness in the high end that is not there when just listening to tracks. I am exporting them as 24 bit/48kHz wave files, the same settings I use in Sonar. Does anyone have an idea why they would be different sounding? Happy to provide info if needed. Thanks gang!
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 14:33:23
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When you export how are you doing it? I always use the Master Buss as the source for a mix down. I never select the tracks.
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 14:37:04
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Hey John, I use the Main Out for export. Does it make a difference if I choose busses/Master?
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 15:09:18
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southpaw3473
Hey John, I use the Main Out for export. Does it make a difference if I choose busses/Master?
It depends on the routing you use. If everything is going to that then it shouldn't. However its very possible that something is being processed and not going to the main outs in an export. I always route all buses and tracks to my master buss. That in turn is routed to the main outs. Look very carefully at where all your tracks are going.
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 15:21:01
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southpaw3473
Hey John, I use the Main Out for export. Does it make a difference if I choose busses/Master?
It depends on the routing you use. If everything is going to that then it shouldn't. However its very possible that something is being processed and not going to the main outs in an export.
I always route all buses and tracks to my master buss. That in turn is routed to the main outs.
Look very carefully at where all your tracks are going.
That's how I always route everything. I double checked and all tracks are routed to where they should be. Very weird!
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 15:24:40
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 15:26:00
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John,
I have always selected "All" and then exported. Should I only be selecting the Master Bus instead as long as all tracks output to it?
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 15:36:51
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Rimshot that is the way I have done it for many years now using the master buss. As long as everything is routed to it its all you need. I would give it a test drive.
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 15:36:57
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It's enough to make it sound different that you listen to it through, say, Windows Media Player with different volume.
If you import the wav back to SONAR, how does it sound when listened with exactly the same volume? Is the difference still there?
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 15:48:42
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Exactly Kalle.
It might be exporting exactly as you hear it in Sonar, but how are listening to the Export?
Do a test - import it back into the same project, route it directly to your soundcard (to avoid master buss Fx duplication) and set up a toggle-solo-switch so you can instantly flip between the 2.
If there is a difference here, it's in your Export settings, if there's not, then it's your Export monitoring chain.
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 15:50:57
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Kalle your point is a good one only who is doing that? I didn't notice that being said.
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 16:14:25
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Try selecting all (Control-A) and bounce it all to a new track with all options for processing selected 9check marked).
Then route that bounced track to the main outs and solo/listen to hear if it is the same as the project sounds.
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 16:19:42
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Great idea Kalle and Jonesy! I did just that and there was no difference in Sonar. I checked the settings in WMP and sure enough, the graphic eq was turned on and set to bump at 2k. Not sure how that happened. Thanks guys!
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 16:44:28
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southpaw3473
Great idea Kalle and Jonesy! I did just that and there was no difference in Sonar. I checked the settings in WMP and sure enough, the graphic eq was turned on and set to bump at 2k. Not sure how that happened. Thanks guys!
Wow I don't know how Kalle figured out that you weren't using X1 to play it back but that would have been a useful bit of information. Anyway glad you have it sorted out.
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 16:46:50
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It is a classic scenario that we have seen here before John lol, so that guess was an experienced forum member intuition!
Glad the issue was solved!
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 16:48:29
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I found an issue like that a couple of years ago in the media player settings. Like you, not sure how/when that happened... quickly fixed though. I always do my "quality" checks first loaded back in Sonar, Soundforge and then a media player type program.
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 16:48:48
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John
Kalle your point is a good one only who is doing that? I didn't notice that being said.
The title says: exported mix I just figured that after export most people don't use SONAR to listen to their music files.
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 16:53:48
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musicroom
I found an issue like that a couple of years ago in the media player settings. Like you, not sure how/when that happened... quickly fixed though. I always do my "quality" checks first loaded back in Sonar, Soundforge and then a media player type program.
Total studio brain!! I've been under a deadline to get this album done for my client and I've been in the studio waaaaay too much!! Thanks for imparting a little common sense-I should have figured that one out myself! Duh... Thanks again guys!
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 16:56:09
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John
Kalle your point is a good one only who is doing that? I didn't notice that being said.
The title says: exported mix
I just figured that after export most people don't use SONAR to listen to their music files.
I do LOL. All I have to say is well done Kalle! The reason I use Sonar is because its hooked up to the near field monitors. The on board sound chip goes to another set of speakers. That is where WMP would output. Besides I don't think I would use WMP ever to playback something I wanted to hear for critical listening.
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 17:37:28
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Thanks John for your input. I am going to try that suggestion first thing.
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 19:32:06
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John
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John
Kalle your point is a good one only who is doing that? I didn't notice that being said.
The title says: exported mix
I just figured that after export most people don't use SONAR to listen to their music files.
I do LOL. All I have to say is well done Kalle!
The reason I use Sonar is because its hooked up to the near field monitors. The on board sound chip goes to another set of speakers. That is where WMP would output. Besides I don't think I would use WMP ever to playback something I wanted to hear for critical listening.
Why wouldn't you use WMP? In my system the computer sounds go thru my interface so the same converters are being used for Sonar and WMP. They sound the same to me. Usually I want to listen to my bounced tracks so I play them in WMP. Not a good idea?
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 19:46:29
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I don't want you to get the wrong idea. I have two systems in play here. One is for serious audio (X1's sound system) and the other is for everything else. I don't mix the two. This is the way I do it. I am so use to it I kinda think most everyone would do much the same thing. I am not saying anyone should follow my example though.
But consider that I have full functionality from system sounds that will not interfere with Sonar and what I want it to do. Nor do I have to turn on my audio mixer and amp which are in a rack to watch a movie.
When I am not doing audio or MIDI my system is just like a normal computer system.
One last thing too and this may be the more important consideration for me. The on board sound chip which is great for genral audio is not good enough for quality audio playback in my opinion.
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 19:49:10
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I use separate outputs for media player and everything else besides sonar and ableton through my same interface and all is merry-
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I like having quality output on both and no on board sound crap enabled
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 19:56:42
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Lanceindastudio
I use separate outputs for media player and everything else besides sonar and ableton through my same interface and all is merry-
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I like having quality output on both and no on board sound crap enabled
Lance
I wouldn't call it crap. My reason for the setup I have is I think well explained above. In order to have WMP play via my digital mixer I would need to turn it on and my power amp and a graphic equalizer just to hear an MP3 of low quality play. No I don't think so. What you do is your way of doing things. My way works for me.
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 21:14:52
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My actual setup works very well for me. I have a Motu Ultralite that is only assigned to Sonar. I have the main outs of that going into a Mackie Onyx i1220 mixer which feeds the pairs of monitors. I use the Mackie and its drivers (which work really well on my system) for everything else including computer audio (WMP, online audio, CDs, etc.
I was puzzled by this bounce issue because the mixes usually translate very well outside of Sonar. I suppose if I had listened to the mixes in the car, which I always do, or another listening environment I would have realized there was an issue with WMP.
I never even installed the drivers for the on-board sound card when I built my computer.
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/05 21:22:30
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I never even installed the drivers for the on-board sound card when I built my computer. Southpaw it was either the on board sound chip or my now mothballed Sound Blaster card.  I have always had two or more sound systems hooked up to my computers. I have a decent computer speaker system. So it was not that much of sacrifice. And that system is on whenever the computer is on.
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/06 12:10:58
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John,
I have always selected "All" and then exported. Should I only be selecting the Master Bus instead as long as all tracks output to it?
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Remember when exporting audio, Edit / Select / None has the same effect as Edit / Select / All. I'm an Edit / Select / None guy myself! And I agree that using the Main buss output is the safest bet!
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/06 21:14:24
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Possible non-realtime bounce issue? Try a "audible bounce" or record a mix loopback to a new track.
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/07 09:35:52
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I go to TRACK VIEW... double click to select ALL the tracks... (they turn a darker color) and then choose EXPORT AUDIO.... where, in the drop down box I select from the PRESET window......WHAT YOU HEAR. I choose the destination and click OK.
This ensures that I get exactly what I hear in the playback on the exported Wave. It has never failed me.
I understand that as long as at least ONE audio track is selected this process will work perfectly. I simply click to select all the tracks including midi tracks and go from there. I get the perfect file every time.
Try it, you might like it.
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Re:Why does my exported mix sound different?
2012/04/07 09:41:36
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Guitarhacker,
That is what I have always done also. I thought just selecting the mains instead of all was something new to try.
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