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Why does no one talk about the 1176
Other Sonar compressors get so much wind in this tunnel, but the 1176 doesn't get a lot of mention.
Why is that?
I really enjoy it. It makes guitars sound a bit more masculine imho.
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/23 18:05:34
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/23 18:11:59
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No? the PC4K S-Type Channel is the one I mean?
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/23 18:15:28
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1176!
Indeed!
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/23 18:21:05
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Have I said something particularly ill informed (stupid) again??
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/23 18:59:51
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Not at all. I use it a lot, on guitars and drums mainly. It's not the world's most convincing 1176 emulation, but if you put that consideration aside, it's a good, easy-to-use compressor.
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/23 19:27:46
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☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2014/09/23 22:14:23
The PC4K channel type is not the 1176. The PC4K is based on the SSL 4000 series, hence the "4K". The PC76 is the one based on Universal Audio's 1176. Personally I'm not a fan of either, though I do like the CA2A a lot and have used the 4K bus version effectively.
It's entirely possible I need to give it a more serious effort.
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/23 19:33:45
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☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2014/09/23 22:14:44
I like the PC76 (the 1176 emulation) a lot, and use it all the time.. I often use it first in the chain as it's good at catching transients.
For example, I will use it first on a vocal, followed by the Ca-2a.
Now, the PC4K S-Type Channel is a different bag of bananas. It is an emulation of an SSL 4000 Channel compressor.
I struggled with this one for a while, but now use it far more. The metering on it is not that great for judging gain reduction, but if you use your ears instead it, works well.
I have used it on many different things, from jangly electric guitars, acoustic guitars, pianos. It has a certain sound that really works on some material, but I just found it harder to set up at first.
It is worth spending some time with - it is not as intuitive as some of the other PC compressors.
Now I love it.
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/23 19:42:02
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My templates have the PC4K already in the track strips. There is also a PC4K bus compressor in the Master after the QuadCurve and before the Concrete Limiter.
The buss PC4K is great for smoothing the mix but still transparent. If I have a hard to tame vocal track I dump the PC4K for the CA2A.
For mastering I usually get rid of the PC4K and the CL in favor of Izotope 5.
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/23 20:39:07
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I use the UAD-2 version as well as the Waves versions. There's a bit of the same in my UA 6176 so I've got that one covered elsewhere. It's a great compressor and I don't think I have a project without it somewhere in the mix.
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/23 22:22:02
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I use a Purple 77 on my snare and another on my the kick on the way in. I set them so the sound blooms a bit in the FET and trannys.
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/23 22:26:35
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I use it for parallel compressing but use more of the clean sound so the compressor just enhances what's there. Usually for guitars though.
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/24 01:38:56
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☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2014/09/24 08:39:25
What I use most of the time: For vocals, the CA-2A pretty much muscled everything else aside because it flatters my voice like nothing else For guitar, the Sonitus compressor set up more like a sustainer For bass, Concrete Limiter or Sonitus multiband (the Limiter button has saved me more than once), but sometimes the PC76 if I want to "smear" the sound more For drums, Concrete Limiter to bring up room ambience (I don't like compression on drums, except very rarely putting two compressors with super-gentle curves in series - the late, great VC-64 is aces for that) I never compress keys or percussion The 4K bus compressor usually goes on the master bus when I'm mastering in Sonar, but it's set for a REALLY subtle effect - serious squashing is left to the Waves Multimaximizer that follows it. However, including the 4K in the signal chain really does add something the Waves doesn't provide in terms of glue. The two get along so well I suspect they go out for drinks together when I'm not around. Generally, I don't use much compression except on voice. I wait until it's time to master, and do one major application of multiband limiting to preserve dynamics yet still give a "hot" signal. Of course back in the days of tape, compression was important because of the dynamic range issues...but that's not needed any more. The trick for me these days is to get "heat" and dynamics, and I find compression tends to work against that. Of course...YMMV and probably does 
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/24 07:46:30
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Of course...YMMV and probably does
Not if you've over compressed it.. 
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/24 09:37:48
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"For drums, Concrete Limiter to bring up room ambience (I don't like compression on drums, except very rarely putting two compressors with super-gentle curves in series - the late, great VC-64 is aces for that)" Are using the Concrete Limiter on drums and not calling the limiter a compressor, or are you explaining that you rarely use either the Concrete Limiter or the series compression on drums? As a general reminder: The inventor of the 1176 referred to it as a "Limiting Amplifier" or sometimes as a "Peak Limiter" while it seems like most folks these days refer to it as a "compressor". edit spelling
post edited by mike_mccue - 2014/09/24 10:05:55
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/24 09:49:22
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I've been using the old Boost11 lately, again. I used it years ago but abandoned it for others. I did some Karaoke track projects for a couple of singers recently and the old Boost11 helped tame the too low and too high singer parts.
Both of the singers liked their finished (and mastered with Ozone 5) projects so much that they have Christmas CD projects booked for early Oct.
The Concrete Limiter was tried. I forgot about the PC4K, I'll give that a shot the next time.
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/24 10:27:44
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"For drums, Concrete Limiter to bring up room ambience (I don't like compression on drums, except very rarely putting two compressors with super-gentle curves in series - the late, great VC-64 is aces for that)"
Are using the Concrete Limiter on drums and not calling the limiter a compressor, or are you explaining that you rarely use either the Concrete Limiter or the series compression on drums?
I use either the Concrete Limiter on drums, or or two compressors in series with very gentle compression ratios. When using the two compressors, I still tend to favor the VC-64. There have been [endless] discussions here about the terminology of limiter vs. compressor with no resolution because there are no language police in this industry. Some people think everything is a compressor and a limiter is simply a compressor with an infinite compression ratio. Others think if a compression ratio goes over 10:1, it's a limiter. So I have my own definition If there's a dynamics processor, you set a threshold, and the output level doesn't go above that threshold, it's a limiter. If the output can go above the threshold, it's a compressor. But really, I think the best term these days is simply "dynamics processor" because now we have devices that can do combinations of limiting, compression, expansion, and gating.
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/24 10:45:49
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Yes, I don't have any interest in language police, I simply found the phrase "I don't like compression on drums" left me wondering what you were trying to convey.
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/24 14:18:41
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Going back to the original question, I think "nobody talks about the 1176" because it has become the "stock" compressor. It's in every track's chain by doing fault whether it is active or not.
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/24 14:36:04
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I use the 1176 PC module on at least one out of three tracks. Usually on percussive stuff and bass guitar or staccato strings where a fast attack is helpful. I almost always use it over the Softube FET or IK Black76 both of which are fantastic compressors IMHO.
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/24 14:48:15
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My take on a compressor and limiter.
A limiter does just that, limits the maximum level to whatever it is set at. e.g. if the limiter is set for -4 then anything over -4 will be "limited" to -4 but anything less than -4 will be at whatever level it is - no processing since its -4 or below.
A compressor tends to bring all of the signal to a preset level. Low levels are amplified and high levels over the preset limit are brought back down (compressed) to the preset limit.
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/24 15:13:38
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For, the sake of discussion, the limiter described above would have an attack time of 0.0000ms (or maybe look ahead), a ratio of infinity:1, and a extremely hard knee.
I think it is more helpful to be aware of the settings rather than the naming conventions. That way, you can imagine a comparison regardless of what some one chooses to name the process.
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/24 15:22:06
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Silly question: If you set a limiter to say 20:1 and then add gain is it now a compressor or limiter?
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/24 15:43:31
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This is why I think we should just call all these things "dynamics processors."
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/24 16:52:27
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What I use most of the time:
For guitar, the Sonitus compressor set up more like a sustainer
Got a preset/image to share?
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/24 21:16:21
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To give the compressor more sustain, lengthen the release time.
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/25 04:21:18
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What I use most of the time:
For guitar, the Sonitus compressor set up more like a sustainer
Got a preset/image to share?
To use a compressor to make a guitar sustain.. Slow attack. low threshold "high" ratio high makeup gain adjust to taste
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/25 06:13:31
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All this terminology and no one has even mentioned "brick wall" yet..... Oh doh! 
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Re: Why does no one talk about the 1176
2014/09/25 07:55:21
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I tried throwing my 1176 at a brick wall but I couldn't remove it from the PC... There. How's that? 
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