Why does soloing a channel is also solo the bus it is routed to

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2012/08/18 22:43:30 (permalink)

Why does soloing a channel is also solo the bus it is routed to

I basically have my Sonar mixer setup as close as I could to an analog mixer.  The vocal channel(s) is routed to a 'Vocal' Bus.  The vocal channel is using Send 2 (post fader) to drive a reverb.  The reverb bus contains the reverb effect in it's effects bin.  The reverb Bus output routes to the 'Vocal' Bus which finally outputs to the MASTER out.
 
The problem is when I solo the vocal CHANNEL, I also hear the Reverb BUS even though it is not solod.  The solo function on a normal analog mixers channel solos only the channel. 
Question 1:  Is there a way I can acomplish this?
 
What I wanted to do was return the reverb to a channel rather than a bus, but I could not find a way to do this. 
 
Question 2:  Does it save system resourses to send multiple channels to 1 reverb on a bus as opposed to have a seperate reverb effect on every channel that has reverb?
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    Re:Why does soloing a channel is also solo the bus it is routed to 2012/08/19 06:35:05 (permalink)
    Question 2:  Does it save system resourses to send multiple channels to 1 reverb on a bus as opposed to have a seperate reverb effect on every channel that has reverb? 



    Absolutely it does! that's the whole point of putting a reverb on a bus (in addition to ensuring all the tracks feeding it are being processed in a similar way)


    In your example above, I wouldn't run the reverb bus into the vocal bus - just route it directly to the master bus


    The behaviour you're noticing is normal - if you route it the way I suggested above, you can then solo the vocal bus to hear your vocal tracks completely dry.


    To hear an individual track without the reverb, solo  the track and mute the reverb bus

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    Re:Why does soloing a channel is also solo the bus it is routed to 2012/08/19 09:26:15 (permalink)
    I had asked about this some time ago, and lifted an excerpt from my notes.

    I'm not sure if it will help you, but I found something in the reference manual, on page 811. It shows a diagram of the signal flow. It says (in the middle of the page) "Pre fader sends are affected by M-S buttons unless you change the LinkPFSendMute aud.ini option". So, if I get this right, unless you are using post fader sends (which I believe you can set using the button in the sends inspector), it should work correctly. Maybe the setting is incorrect for you in aud.ini? See page 1229 in the manual on how to check.
    I'm still learning Sonar, which is why I speak in conditional terms, and why I qoute the manual, as I've glanced through it... Haven't used Sonar much yet...
     
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    Thank you, this is a perfect solution for me. It now works as I expect and I can hear the track of interest alone with one click.
     
    A note of interest, I found two AUD.INI
     
    C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Application Data\Cakewalk\SONAR X1 Producer         this one worked
    C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR X1 Producer               the one in here had no affect...
    For clarity, by changing the LinkPFSendMute aud.ini option to a value of  1,  I do not need to use pre fader, It just solo's without the FX send.
     
    Most pleasing!
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    Re:Why does soloing a channel is also solo the bus it is routed to 2012/08/20 21:42:16 (permalink)

    In your example above, I wouldn't run the reverb bus into the vocal bus - just route it directly to the master bus

     
    Thanks for the replies.  The problem with this is I want the reverb level to go up and down with the vocal sub as it would in a normal analog board setup.  Vocal channel and reverb channel assigned to the same subgroup(BUS).
     
    I'm guessing there is no way to route the reverb bus back to a channel?
     
    Looks like my best option may be to mute the reverb every time I want to dry solo.  I just don't like the idea of having an additional step every time I want to solo a track with reverb. 
     
     
    post edited by martinv - 2012/08/20 23:01:44
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    Re:Why does soloing a channel is also solo the bus it is routed to 2012/08/20 21:47:02 (permalink)
    If you make the send post fader you will have that control on the track. Sixfinger is right about where you should send the reverb buss.

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    Re:Why does soloing a channel is also solo the bus it is routed to 2012/08/21 00:58:19 (permalink)
    John


    If you make the send post fader you will have that control on the track. Sixfinger is right about where you should send the reverb buss.

    Doesn't seem to be working for me.  My Aux Send is post fader.  I also tried changing the LinkPFSendMute=0  which was the default to LinkPFSendMute=1.   This appears to be a solution to an issue that is not what i'm describing (or trying to),  However I'm glad this was mentioned as I will probably use this setting too.
     
     
     
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