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Why don't some shortcuts show up in preferences - keyboard shortcuts?
I accidentally hit ctrl+numpad8 while doing some midi note editing and noticed it nudged up 1 octave. I also discovered ctrl+numpad2 nudges down 1 octave. These are super useful shortcuts and I don't see them documented anywhere.
When I opened preferences - keyboard shortcuts, they don't show up there either. Is there a reason for this?
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Re: Why don't some shortcuts show up in preferences - keyboard shortcuts?
2016/05/17 17:40:19
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Don't know the reason why but several shortcuts don't show up there even tho they work.
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funk
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Re: Why don't some shortcuts show up in preferences - keyboard shortcuts?
2016/05/17 17:41:39
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Are there any other useful ones we need to know about? :)
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Re: Why don't some shortcuts show up in preferences - keyboard shortcuts?
2016/05/17 18:08:42
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Re: Why don't some shortcuts show up in preferences - keyboard shortcuts?
2016/05/17 18:15:24
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Re: Why don't some shortcuts show up in preferences - keyboard shortcuts?
2016/05/17 19:07:46
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I didn't look but it seems to me that it would be due to the context sensitive nature of Nudge. As in the Nudge feature does different things in different views, when different material is selected, etc.
So the "Nudge" bindings will likely be in the shortcut Preferences and documentation but not all the things it does in all contexts. As for documentation the Nudge actions would likely be described in sections about specific views, events, etc (like what nudge will do to a clip in the track view vs. what it will do to a note in the PRV, based on what's selected, etc).
Also if the Nudge keys aren't listed in the shortcuts Prefs maybe they are permanently bound specifically because of that transient nature.
Dunno.
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Re: Why don't some shortcuts show up in preferences - keyboard shortcuts?
2016/05/18 02:11:41
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funk
These are super useful shortcuts and I don't see them documented anywhere.
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Re: Why don't some shortcuts show up in preferences - keyboard shortcuts?
2016/05/18 17:51:25
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icontak: If you read my first post you will see the shortcuts I mentioned are CTRL+numpad8 (moves notes 1 octave up) and CTRL+numpad2 (moves notes 1 octave down)
These arent listed in any of your screenshots.
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Re: Why don't some shortcuts show up in preferences - keyboard shortcuts?
2016/05/18 18:04:44
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funk
icontak: If you read my first post you will see the shortcuts I mentioned are CTRL+numpad8 (moves notes 1 octave up) and CTRL+numpad2 (moves notes 1 octave down)
These arent listed in any of your screenshots.
Right. Because Nudge does many different things in different areas to different material. Labelling everything it does would be too weird so they just keep it as a general "Up/Down/Left/Right" list. I'd bet if you looked under the MIDI/Piano Roll View sections in the manual it would describe the 8ve Up/Down thing you are describing. Cheers.
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Re: Why don't some shortcuts show up in preferences - keyboard shortcuts?
2016/05/18 18:28:38
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Beepster
Right. Because Nudge does many different things in different areas to different material. Labelling everything it does would be too weird so they just keep it as a general "Up/Down/Left/Right" list. I'm not sure why you think it would be too "weird" to list what shortcuts do in different areas. Right now the user is left to guess, or find shortcuts by accident. Even the shortcut editor shows nothing assigned to ctrl+numpad8, which means I could overwrite it without realising something was already assigned. BeepsterI'd bet if you looked under the MIDI/Piano Roll View sections in the manual it would describe the 8ve Up/Down thing you are describing. I can't seem to find it anywhere in the docs. I have found old threads here asking for a shortcut to do octave up/down and CAL scripts were recommended instead.
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Re: Why don't some shortcuts show up in preferences - keyboard shortcuts?
2016/05/18 19:03:48
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I rarely use nudge (I do everything like that by hand/with snap).
My point is Nudge does a ton of different things. It is context sensitive. It's kind of like wanting to expose and change all the things the Smart Tool does. People have actually asked for that but it just does too many things to make it feasible to allow such specific access to.
If you can change the Nudge bindings the action would likely change ALL the nudge actions. You are focusing on only one thing that nudge does. Even then you are ignoring the other nudge buttons that (I think... and I assume we are talking about MIDI notes) moves notes up a semitone at a time or left and right in increments.
Nudge is very complex and has it's own little set of Preferences that can be twiddled with by the user.
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Re: Why don't some shortcuts show up in preferences - keyboard shortcuts?
2016/05/18 19:06:22
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PS: Look at the image icontakt posted again. Notice the "Settings" option in that menu? Click on that and I believe a dialog pops up where you can screw around with what Nudge (and it's bindings) does in various scenarios.
Cheers.
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Re: Why don't some shortcuts show up in preferences - keyboard shortcuts?
2016/05/18 19:16:15
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Beepster
My point is Nudge does a ton of different things. It is context sensitive. It's kind of like wanting to expose and change all the things the Smart Tool does. People have actually asked for that but it just does too many things to make it feasible to allow such specific access to.
Being context sensitive doesn't really matter. The shortcuts need to be documented :) A list with the area eg. PVR, followed by what the shortcut does. It's not complicated. Beepster
If you can change the Nudge bindings the action would likely change ALL the nudge actions. You are focusing on only one thing that nudge does. Even then you are ignoring the other nudge buttons that (I think... and I assume we are talking about MIDI notes) moves notes up a semitone at a time or left and right in increments.
Nudge is very complex and has it's own little set of Preferences that can be twiddled with by the user.
I'm not ignoring the other nudge button at all. In fact, their shortcuts are listed and assigned in the shortcut editor. Why not list the 2 I mentioned (ctrl+numpad8 and ctrl+numpad2)? I didnt realise there would be controversy over something so straight forward :)
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Re: Why don't some shortcuts show up in preferences - keyboard shortcuts?
2016/05/18 19:17:36
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Beepster
PS: Look at the image icontakt posted again. Notice the "Settings" option in that menu? Click on that and I believe a dialog pops up where you can screw around with what Nudge (and it's bindings) does in various scenarios.
Yes I know about this too :) There is nothing about the CTRL shortcuts in there either
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Re: Why don't some shortcuts show up in preferences - keyboard shortcuts?
2016/05/18 19:59:54
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No controversy here. Just trying to point out the nature of the Nudge stuff. It's all more or less documented but IIRC from my manual perusing it's more task specific.
Also Nudge is OLD and I'm guessing a lot of the entries about it haven't been updated as much as other sections of the manual.
The Ref Guide is... well... a bit of a chaotic beast.
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Re: Why don't some shortcuts show up in preferences - keyboard shortcuts?
2016/05/18 23:46:35
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I'm so sorry for not properly reading the original post...
FWIW, it's not just Ctrl+Num2/8 that aren't listed in the manual or Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts page. For example, there are some default keyboard shortcuts in PRV that aren't documented anywhere. When the Help module was introduced, I noticed that keyboard shortcuts appear in the module when the mouse cursor was hovered over the items in the PRV menus. I first thought they were default keybindings, but no, they were all what I bound myself. Anyway, even the Help module isn't helpful when it comes to Ctrl+Num2/8. I think the Bakers should list all default keyboard shortcuts in both the manual and Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts page, and also add Ctrl+Num2/8 to the Process menu. But my guess is that CW is too busy (understaffed?)
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Re: Why don't some shortcuts show up in preferences - keyboard shortcuts?
2016/05/19 02:48:49
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Hey no problem icontakt :) Thanks for reminding me about the help module too.
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Re: Why don't some shortcuts show up in preferences - keyboard shortcuts?
2016/05/20 00:08:57
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funk
I accidentally hit ctrl+numpad8 while doing some midi note editing and noticed it nudged up 1 octave. I also discovered ctrl+numpad2 nudges down 1 octave. These are super useful shortcuts and I don't see them documented anywhere.
When I opened preferences - keyboard shortcuts, they don't show up there either. Is there a reason for this?
Well spotted Funk! That is a handy shortcut.
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