sharke
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Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs? [SOLVED]
Been working on this project for a few weeks with no problems. All of a sudden - and I have no idea what happened - the pan knobs on all of the tracks have stopped working properly. Instead of panning the tracks left or right, they're increasing in volume when I turn to the left and decreasing to zero when I turn to the right. Panning on the master bus works as expected. I have tried toggling the stereo interleave button on each track. The panning knob works the same no matter how it is set. If I start a new project and load up a synth, the panning works properly. What in God's name can I have done to this project for it to completely screw up my pan knobs like this? EDIT: I should point out that when I pan a track hard right, although the audible volume drops to zero, the right half of the meter is showing an output level.
post edited by sharke - 2012/12/01 00:32:42
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Teds_Studio
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Re:Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs?
2012/11/30 23:46:52
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I had a project go haywire like this a few weeks ago. The only thing I can figure out is my project file got corrupted somehow. Have you by chance deleted a synth recently in the project? This is what happened to mine. It completely screwed up my GUI in the console view...had stuff overlapping other things, etc. When I deleted the synth track and chose "delete all associated tracks" it did not delete those associated tracks. But if you clicked on the track...it caused sonar to go crazy....messing up the console. I finally figured out that I could delete all the associated tracks FIRST...then delete the synth and all was fine. Just another weird quirk that happened. Not sure it was even a bug....it was just corrupting my file.
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Re:Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs?
2012/11/30 23:48:17
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do you have a bus solo'd? and see if the volume or pan are added to any groups.
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sharke
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Re:Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs?
2012/12/01 00:01:56
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Teds_Studio I had a project go haywire like this a few weeks ago. The only thing I can figure out is my project file got corrupted somehow. Have you by chance deleted a synth recently in the project? This is what happened to mine. It completely screwed up my GUI in the console view...had stuff overlapping other things, etc. When I deleted the synth track and chose "delete all associated tracks" it did not delete those associated tracks. But if you clicked on the track...it caused sonar to go crazy....messing up the console. I finally figured out that I could delete all the associated tracks FIRST...then delete the synth and all was fine. Just another weird quirk that happened. Not sure it was even a bug....it was just corrupting my file. Nope haven't been deleting synths from the synth tab in the browser, not recently anyway. The only time I've ever done that is if it's a synth that no longer has a track associated with it. Nothing else is screwy, in terms of GUI etc....everything's working normally, except this pan thing.
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Re:Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs?
2012/12/01 00:07:59
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swamptooth do you have a bus solo'd? and see if the volume or pan are added to any groups. Nope, no buses are soloed - nor do I have any groups set up (just checked the group manager). It's basically as if the master bus is outputting the left side only through both output channels. Both of the master fader lights are moving in unison. If I toggle the interleave button on the master track, there is no difference to the sound. So what appears to be happening is that the master channel is not receiving the right channel any more. If I solo a track and pan it all the way to the right, the right meter on that track is showing an output. But the master track is showing no output.
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Re:Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs?
2012/12/01 00:09:32
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Do you have a V-Studio? There is a FLIP switch that reverse the pan knobs and faders which is handy when you are doing a lot of extreme panning.
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sharke
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Re:Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs?
2012/12/01 00:11:28
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If I load the project in safe mode and choose not to load any plugs, then insert a new synth track, the panning is working properly.
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Re:Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs?
2012/12/01 00:12:53
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konradh Do you have a V-Studio? There is a FLIP switch that reverse the pan knobs and faders which is handy when you are doing a lot of extreme panning. Nope, no V-Studio. Just what's in my signature.
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Re:Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs?
2012/12/01 00:14:19
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save as a new project or cakewalk bundle and open. what then? midi pan or audio track pan??
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Re:Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs?
2012/12/01 00:22:04
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I saved it as a new project, opened it, and the same thing. I'm definitely looking at audio track pan and not MIDI pan.
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Re:Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs?
2012/12/01 00:24:03
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any plugs on the track? is it a synth output or an audio track output??
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Re:Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs?
2012/12/01 00:32:06
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HA HA! Problem solved. I am SUCH an idiot. It's Guitar Rig's RIDICULOUS instance on opening with only the left channel active as default. Forgetting this, I placed an instance of Guitar Rig on the master bus in order to use their Solid Bus Comp, without activating the right channel as well. Sorry for perplexing everyone. PHEW. If I was a smoker I would have definitely gotten through a whole pack during that scare
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Teds_Studio
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Re:Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs?
2012/12/01 00:33:33
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Glad to hear that you figured it out....can be very frustrating for sure...!
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Re:Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs?
2012/12/01 00:38:23
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Nothing worse than thinking you've corrupted a project beyond repair. Happened to me with Pro Tools once and it was not salvageable.
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Re:Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs?
2012/12/01 00:47:22
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I would like to make a correction to my above statement about Guitar Rig. It's not so much that it's ridiculous that it opens in mono by default, it's that you have to open an instance of the freaking thing to use any NI effects in the first place. Hopefully with their recent upgrade of the Vintage Compressors to standalone versions, they might get around to doing the same with everything else as well.
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Re:Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs?
2012/12/01 01:04:57
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weird i've never had guitar rig do that. always opens in stereo. there's kore player and the reaktor fx too if you don't dig gr. i'm happy they solved the cpu issues between 3 and 5 for one.
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Re:Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs?
2012/12/01 01:44:12
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Are you sure? Because I think there is a bug whereby the meters at the top show a stereo input even when it's in mono. When you open it, only the "L" is activated (the L and R next to the input meter). You have to activate the "R" as well to make it stereo. I've heard quite a few people complain that it opens in mono.
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Re:Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs?
2012/12/01 14:18:39
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ah, that's because in gr i have options/default plugin input configuration set to stereo.
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Re:Why have my Pan knobs turned into volume knobs?
2012/12/01 15:04:42
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sharke, Super glad you solved this and no apologies needed. This was an interesting thread. It is always helpful for all of us to think through such problems. Who knows? One of the wrong solutions above may be the right one for someone else.
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