The Maillard Reaction
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Why is that?
Yesterday I played some drums and did a rough mix to a friends piano song. This morning I listened with fresh ears and realized the drummer liked it when he was really hot in the mix? I also played the bass part yesterday. This morning the bass player decided to turn down the drums and turn up the bass and piano. Why is that? ;-)
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Re: Why is that?
2013/08/03 11:53:46
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☄ Helpfulby mike_mccue 2013/08/03 12:18:46
I don't know, but the bass player is usually right.
 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: Why is that?
2013/08/03 13:53:23
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☄ Helpfulby mike_mccue 2013/08/03 19:00:24
Hi, Hahaha! Love that ... You know, for my writing, if there is one thing I don't like, it is "second guessing" your particular feeling in that moment in time ... nothing hurts your perception more than that, when you need to improve that perception ... of course, it is going to be different later ... you already know that! But too many people have this idea that things are better when you tinker with them ... and that is NOT necessarily true! So, next time try this for size ... do something without making those changes, and when you are done, evaluate the whole thing ... no changes until "you are done" ... and then go ahead and make the adjustments that you feel you need! It's a process issue ... I think musicians are too damn critical about the "process" ... to allow themselves a chance to create something ... you don't even allow it to grow "on its own" ... as I usually say! Any change ... is almost always about the different day, time, and place ... and is NEVER the same thing as that original moment for me ... in WRITING. No reason for it to be different for you in music!
As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys!
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Re: Why is that?
2013/08/03 14:26:54
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☄ Helpfulby mike_mccue 2013/08/03 19:00:41
Wait until the entire band walks in wearing "More of ME in the mix!" t-shirts...
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: Why is that?
2013/08/03 18:21:39
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It means a good mix engineer has to be very impartial and not be influenced by what any band member says or if they have played any of the parts themselves either. It takes a lot of experience to just put all that aside and get the correct balance. You just don't have enough of that experience yet Mike.
post edited by Jeff Evans - 2013/08/03 18:23:22
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: Why is that?
2013/08/03 18:39:11
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☄ Helpfulby jbow 2013/08/04 16:09:22
I'm thinking maybe I should start hanging out at Pensado's Place till I figure out what I'm doing. :-)
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Re: Why is that?
2013/08/03 18:50:54
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☄ Helpfulby mike_mccue 2013/08/03 19:00:57
craigb Wait until the entire band walks in wearing "More of ME in the mix!" t-shirts...
I should sell those to every studio in town and the engineers could pass them out whenever someone says.. "More of ME in the mix!".
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: Why is that?
2013/08/03 18:53:30
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Can you print up a batch of "I'm with stupid" T Shirts that I can hand out to visitors when I ask them to gather together for our commemorative photo?
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Re: Why is that?
2013/08/03 19:08:34
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2013/08/03 19:21:07
bapu
craigb Wait until the entire band walks in wearing "More of ME in the mix!" t-shirts...
I should sell those to every studio in town and the engineers could pass them out whenever someone says.. "More of ME in the mix!".
Don't forget the bass players version.......more of Am in the mix ??
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Re: Why is that?
2013/08/03 23:53:40
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☄ Helpfulby mike_mccue 2013/08/04 07:31:24
Because the world turns around the individual.
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Re: Why is that?
2013/08/04 04:57:22
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Rimshot Because the world turns around the individual.
Won't that make them dizzy?
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: Why is that?
2013/08/04 12:03:49
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☄ Helpfulby mike_mccue 2013/08/04 12:19:37
mike_mccue I'm thinking maybe I should start hanging out at Pensado's Place till I figure out what I'm doing. :-)
The tough part of all this Mike, is that no one can teach you how to do this ... this is about you and your fiber, your metal, your string, and your heart! THAT, needs a bit of definition on its own ... and I found out that for me, the best LEARNING was when I let it go, and completed that "vision", regardless of how it comes out, and then I can evaluate it. We're so damn stuck up that every reason and belief is always outside of ourselves ... if you can figure it out on your own ... the best engineer is ALWAYS going to stand back, and let it flow ... there is nothing that you can do to improve it. Time to go see that Tom Dowd DVD again ... it's about the "moment" and has nothing to do with anything else, and externals, will only confuse you more ... and more! The way I see it, it is a process issue that could be easily cured with a couple of exercises, similar to acting exercises ... you doubt yourself too much to know what your "acting" with an instrument is all about ... the moment you do, no one will make you better than you already are! Willit be enough to "make it" ... who knows? Hopefully so ... but in so many ways, inner changes as you suggest on any piece, means that the "flow" that was there originally, is gone already ... though it was a flow that you did not recognize, and you thought ... was not right, on account of your conditioning and "knowledge" of all you know about music! This is exactly what I go through in writing, and the reason why I don't touch it until that "piece" or scene, or chapter, is done. After that, I find that only punctuation and a little spelling is the issue ... not the "music".
As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys!
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Re: Why is that?
2013/08/04 12:14:02
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☄ Helpfulby mike_mccue 2013/08/04 12:19:39
Hey Pedro, wouldn't it have better to have just let McQ's statement flow?
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: Why is that?
2013/08/04 12:18:43
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I'm good Mosh. :-) You know, I have really grown to enjoy your contributions here at the forum... your posts are thoughtful and thought provoking. I really enjoy how you focus on the universal aspects of art making and the creative process. I've got enough experience mixing music that I have no problem making fun of myself, making fun of my human nature, and making fun of the *ambition* of trying to wear several hats. I think some folks went along with the fun making and that's what I was hoping for. I enjoy a little jovial comradery in the hope that it reminds me that we can have fun while we take our work seriously. all the best, mike
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Moshkiae
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Re: Why is that?
2013/08/05 09:00:33
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mike_mccue ... You know, I have really grown to enjoy your contributions here at the forum... your posts are thoughtful and thought provoking. I really enjoy how you focus on the universal aspects of art making and the creative process. ...
Thx Mike. From my days of directing and working with actors, the "focus" is the hardest part to teach, but the easiest to do ... when you click on it, you're done ... the rest is easier and you don't second guess or doubt what you do anymore ... and on that day, you know you can do it, and not fret over it, unless it is another song. Musicians are a wonderful bunch, but unlike actors, they are too self-conscious, to be able to get any better and generally, that is the spot that differentiates the ones that "make it" from the rest. On stage and film, for an actor, this is the difference between the audience hanging on your words (or playing the instrument!), or falling asleep to it, because it has no "life" of its own ... it's just notes there. Usually, in MY WRITING, you can tell the moments that I wrote over it ... the singularity of that "instance" is not "alive" any more, and in fact it is quite confused! If any musician gets a sync of this, they will either stop playing music, or, on that day ...they now know what they want to do with that instrument, and it is not just playing notes ... it kinda becomes the "faust" school of sound and color (German Krautrock -- see the BBC special! It is trully excellent) ... or if you want a more famous example ... Pink Floyd played around with sound effects so much in between their synthesizer and sound effects setup in the early days, that one day, they created a bomb called DSOTM ... and then later an even bigger bomb called TW. It's not likely these would have developed otherwise, but it gives you an idea how exposure to odd/weird things, can help you create ... the movies and the visuals, were the extension of the sounds before! Of course, nowadays Roger trashes that ... as does Dave to a degree, but it was a process that teaches you something inside ... that is irreplaceable, and is very strong in terms of helping you define your own music! Sorry about the yakking ... and Bapu won't read it anyway, so I don't feel guilty I wasted his time having fun!
As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys!
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