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2011/05/03 12:23:44 (permalink)

Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1!

As the title suggests, why oh why? Boost 11 is total useless as a limiter, I wish CW would look at adding a decent limiter to its plugins, or at least reprogramme boost 11 to add attack and release settings.
 
In the meantime I found this one a few days ago, seems very transparent and its free! http://www.gvst.co.uk/gclip.htm

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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 12:29:02 (permalink)
    The Sonitus compressor makes a good limiter when the ratio is set to infinity.  Much more transparent than Boost 11 and more controllable.  The new Pro Channel is not too bad when set to infinity.  Boost 11 can be useable, but is easily overdone.

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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 12:49:45 (permalink)
    I agree - Boost 11 doesn't do much for me either. 
    FYI, The Waves Plug-ins (L Series) have far less control than Boost 11, but they sound really good (very transparent). Of course, they are not free :)

    Like Lynn says above, you could use the Sonitus Comp, and set the ratio to inf:1 (which is all a limiter is anyway). That should give you all the fine tuning you need. I've never tried the Sonitus that way, but Lynn suggests it is transparent. Certainly worth a try.
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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 12:52:26 (permalink)
    I find the Pro Channel useless for limiting as well, have used sonitus comp a few times, shame you cant control the 0.1 limit on it though, I like mine around 0.5 brickwall.

    GClip will do the job for now:-)

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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 13:09:56 (permalink)
    I tend to agree. I like Boost for quick and dirty (and I do mean dirty) track slamming, but for more delicate finalizing it doesn't really cut the mustard. 

    There's enough freeware out there to get the job done tho, enough that I don't feel the need to amend my "less plugs and more features" mantra.


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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 13:13:01 (permalink)
    Perhaps they are trying to discourage the usage of limiters since they are one of the reasons music sounds terrible anymore....

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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 14:35:06 (permalink)
    I,too,am not crazy about one limiter in X1. If you are running 64 bit,Melda Productions has a 64 bit compressor/limiter that runs very well and is virtually transparent. I have had almost no issues with X1 from day one and I don't know about your setup, but I downloaded the 64 bit freebies on Melda's website and they all work very nicely. Also I was not too happy with the Exciter they provide so I looked around and found a website put up by Terry West. These plugs are not 64 bit, they are 32 but they are utterly astounding. There are loads of channel strips, Eqs, compressors, etc. By all means give them a try. I know most plugs you get for free are not really up to standard. But, these in my opinion, are worth the time to check out.BTW, all the Terry West plugs work like a charm with Bitbridge.
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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 15:17:49 (permalink)
    I am satisfied with IK Multimedia "Brickwall Limiter" at $99 you can't beat it...I have tried several "fllux limiter and the one in "alloy and I return to IK Brickwall.
    http://www.ikmultimedia.c...moreinfo/moreinfo5.php
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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 15:23:31 (permalink)
    Voxengo Elephant. 

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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 15:26:29 (permalink)
    Sidroe:

    Thanks for the news about these plug ins!

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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 15:58:17 (permalink)
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    True dat. It's awesome.


    For freebies, I'd go with GClip or W1




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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 16:43:00 (permalink)
    I never could get W1 to work. I would have liked to try it. You are more than welcome, Thomas. I think you will find the Terry West plugs very good. I used them on some clients work and their jaws hit the floor. They really sound very smooth and transparent. Even on some very dense tracks. Enjoy!
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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 17:51:51 (permalink)
    I have several plugins including some waves bundles but I have to say I've been extremely happy with "Bootsy" plug ins. The Boot EQ MKII and Density MKII compressor especially. Great stuff and free.
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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 18:28:52 (permalink)
    Geo525:

    Thanks for sharing these plug ins. They have some very impressive testimonials, especially for freebies!
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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 19:27:47 (permalink)
    for free limiters, you may want to also check out LoudMax
    http://loudmax.blogspot.com/

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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 19:35:01 (permalink)
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    As the title suggests, why oh why? Boost 11 is total useless as a limiter, I wish CW would look at adding a decent limiter to its plugins, or at least reprogramme boost 11 to add attack and release settings.
     
    In the meantime I found this one a few days ago, seems very transparent and its free! http://www.gvst.co.uk/gclip.htm


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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 19:36:45 (permalink)
    I agree about the varietyofsound stuff. I have used them many times with great results. Just wish they were 64 bit. Although, I use them in 64 bit X1 with no problems.
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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 20:04:15 (permalink)
    Sidroe


    I agree about the varietyofsound stuff. I have used them many times with great results. Just wish they were 64 bit. Although, I use them in 64 bit X1 with no problems.


    64 bit... Me too Sidroe but like you I haven't had any problems using them in 64 bit. Who knows... Maybe they'll be 64 bit before long? Hope so...

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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 21:05:25 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the suggestions, just tested Loudmax against Gclip and Gclip is better IMO. I noticed a dulling of a clap/snare with Loudmax where as Gclip sounded the same. So I will stick with that for the time being, until cake can do something better. Most other DAWs these days come with some great plugs as standard, not saying CW plugs aren't great, but a decent limiter really should be standard, shame the sonitus plugs didn't have a limiter, I often find those as my go to plug most of the time.

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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 21:27:49 (permalink)
    I've been using FabFilter's Pro-L lately, and I'm loving it!


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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 21:35:34 (permalink)
    Hi,Rasure, Just a thought. If you are comfortable with the Sonitus comp, I would suggest with Lynn. Use the Sonitus and set it to infinity. I have been using it for a while because of my frustration with Boost 11 and trying to use ProChannel to master. The Sonitus does a great job. It had become my main go to limiter since the Waves bundle I have is DX and no longer works in X1. Although, the Terry West plugs and the 64 bit Melda Production freebies are sounding better all the time. The MLimiter is GREAT! Check it out.
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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 23:31:19 (permalink)
    +1 for the Sonitus compressor as a final limiter. Requires just a little more work than, say, Ozone, but if you're making do with what's bundled it works just fine.

    But if you're looking at third-party solutions, I really don't think the FabFilter Pro-L can be beat. Relatively pricey, though.

    For freebies, check out George Yohng's W1. The best of the freebies, IMO.

    For character, try MeldaProduction's free MLimiter.


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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/03 23:38:56 (permalink)
    I use the Kjaerhus MPL-1. Anyone else tried this? Before that I used Elephant. 
    http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/69073-kjaerhus-mpl-1-mastering-precision-limiter-released.html

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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/04 00:19:33 (permalink)
    The Kjaerhus limiter is no longer available since the vendor closed up shop. Too bad, too. All his stuff was first-rate. Everyone was hoping he might release his catalog as unsupported freeware, but that apparently won't happen as the developer has dropped out of sight.

    BTW, Elephant is also very good and reasonably priced. Almost as good as Pro-L for half the price.


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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/04 00:27:58 (permalink)
    Ok ...sorry I didn't know that Kjaehus wasn't still around. I'm glad I got MPL-1 when I did. I wondered why I hadn't got any e-mails from them for a while :)
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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/04 00:37:53 (permalink)

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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/04 01:24:19 (permalink)
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    The Kjaerhus limiter is no longer available since the vendor closed up shop. Too bad, too. All his stuff was first-rate. Everyone was hoping he might release his catalog as unsupported freeware, but that apparently won't happen as the developer has dropped out of sight.

    BTW, Elephant is also very good and reasonably priced. Almost as good as Pro-L for half the price.

    Hey Bit, I am not sure, but it looks like you can download the MPL-1 here:
    http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/kjaerhus+audio+mpl+1+vst+full/
     
    I am not sure if anyone now has the licence to distribute it etc and if any fee applies. Anyone know if this is a legitimate site?

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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/04 01:40:32 (permalink)
    I am satisfied with IK Multimedia "Brickwall Limiter" at $99 you can't beat it...I have tried several "fllux limiter and the one in "alloy and I return to IK Brickwall. http://www.ikmultimedia.c...moreinfo/moreinfo5.php

     
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    The IK Brickwall Limiter is excellent.
    I prefer it to the Waves L series. 
    A little squash to get the average level up a bit... without totally killing the dynamics
    To my ears, it handles this task a little more "analog sounding" than some other Brickwall peak-limiters.

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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/04 01:56:23 (permalink)
    Yeah I feel the same about Boost 11. I, like Jim, prefer the Waves L series for hard rock/metal and the PSP Xenon for just about everything else.

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    Re:Why isn't there a decent limiter in X1! 2011/05/04 08:14:51 (permalink)
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    I am satisfied with IK Multimedia "Brickwall Limiter" at $99 you can't beat it...I have tried several "fllux limiter and the one in "alloy and I return to IK Brickwall.
    http://www.ikmultimedia.com/trsingles/moreinfo/moreinfo5.php

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