Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2?

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2005/12/05 00:59:31 (permalink)

Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2?

There are so many books out for other products like Reason, Pro Tools, Fruity Loops, etc.
Even for all of the Sonar versions have one.

Why not one for P5v2? Or at least another video?
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    agincourtdb
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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 01:01:01 (permalink)
    thats a good question... I think the next best thing is the wiki... check it out, you'll probably find a lot of stuff to work with there. :-)


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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 02:04:51 (permalink)
    I keep saying we need to start a P5 magizine .

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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 02:27:03 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: LabDog

    I keep saying we need to start a P5 magizine .


    Only if I can write the gossip column....


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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 04:08:41 (permalink)
    Only if I can write the gossip column....
    Ok, we'll start with Steve Jobs is said to use Project 5

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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 06:07:43 (permalink)
    There are so many books out for other products like Reason, Pro Tools, Fruity Loops ... Why not one for P5v2? ...
    Let's have a show of hands. Who wants one?

    Make some noise to Cakewalk. I'll write it. That's one project that I can't do for free, though. Too involved for a proper treatment.
    It doesn't have to be me. There are plenty of other qualified candidates who aren't as risky. But I'm willing ...

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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 06:23:11 (permalink)
    I'll write it. That's one project that I can't do for free, though. Too involved for a proper treatment.

    Tom, you sucka. Cakewalk must love you… Writing tutorials for their products out of the sheer goodness of your heart… If you turned pro then you wouldn't be hanging around here doing that job for free anymore, would you? It'd be… a conflict of interest or somethin'…

    Maybe you could go Pauline Réage style and have a pseudonymn. We'd never suspect…
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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 06:29:24 (permalink)
    We'd never suspect…
    The style might still bleed through, Dale.
    Even after extensive editing for obscenities ...
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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 08:02:49 (permalink)

    the fellow who writes those Sonar Power books has wandered into this forum on occasion. I suppose he's been too busy keeping up with Sonar versions to even consider a P5 book.
    Documentation never keeps up with the product


     


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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 08:46:37 (permalink)
    It just goes to show that our favourite app just doesnt get the attention it deserves. It hasn't been taken seriously in this biz. Sad aint it.

    I think B Rock would be a GREAT author!! I can just imagine the bonus PSYNtology section and DIMENSION DEMISTIFIED in that volumous work!

    Let me know when its off the press!! I wont be buying Dim Pro until this is in my hands!!
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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 09:47:33 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: b rock

    There are so many books out for other products like Reason, Pro Tools, Fruity Loops ... Why not one for P5v2? ...
    Let's have a show of hands. Who wants one?

    Make some noise to Cakewalk. I'll write it. That's one project that I can't do for free, though. Too involved for a proper treatment.
    It doesn't have to be me. There are plenty of other qualified candidates who aren't as risky. But I'm willing ...



    If it say Tom Brockway on the cover, I'm buying it...

    (please include a DVD and a huge section on Dimentia with .sfz-tology files)
    post edited by MurderDethKill - 2005/12/05 09:51:22

    My site i guess;)
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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 10:10:41 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: MurderDethKill

    If it say Tom Brockway on the cover, I'm buying it...



    So, what you're saying is, if you saw a book titled, Tom Brockway's Guide to Full-Contact Coed Nude Fly-Fishing, you'd reach for the ol' credit card, is that it?


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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 10:17:54 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: agincourtdb
    So, what you're saying is, if you saw a book titled, Tom Brockway's Guide to Full-Contact Coed Nude Fly-Fishing, you'd reach for the ol' credit card, is that it?

    Well.....yes. What's your point?? Analyzing the sentence structure alone would be worth the price of the book.



    WC
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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 10:20:10 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: wgcabp


    ORIGINAL: agincourtdb
    So, what you're saying is, if you saw a book titled, Tom Brockway's Guide to Full-Contact Coed Nude Fly-Fishing, you'd reach for the ol' credit card, is that it?

    Well.....yes. What's your point?? Analyzing the sentence structure alone would be worth the price of the book.



    WC


    Personally, I'd rather read Tom Brockway's Favorite Holiday Octopus Recipes (forwards by Martha Stewart and Jaques Cousteau)


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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 10:38:16 (permalink)
    Tom Brockway's Gator Wrasslin' Tips


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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 11:55:47 (permalink)
    I always wanted to put together a PDF document on basic P5 track building. I thought it would be nice to add to the wiki. i wanted to do all the graphics(mostly screen captures) showing a step by step on how to get started in P5. It could cover basic track building techniques/auto mation/ midi/audio set up.

    It would take alot of time, since someone else would be writing it.

    damn...guess that would be another project to add to the growing unfinished projects i already have started...

      
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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 12:15:45 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: :10:
    It would take alot of time, since someone else would be writing it.


    You got an imaginary friend? - Or a split personality?



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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 16:07:05 (permalink)
    I think he has an imaginary personality.
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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 16:31:14 (permalink)
    I was thinking of doing a few little video tutorials for getting started with Reason because I continuously get emails like, "Dude do u no wrer i can find tutorials for reason? its got so many knobslololol!!11"

    Doing one for P5 would be cool, but I have a feeling the audience for it is like 10X smaller than that of Reason's unfortunately.


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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 16:37:35 (permalink)
    Hmmm sound's like at least one sure offer to be an editor for "P5 In The Mix" (Tom) and one maybe (:10). :10 is also a graphics man....this is interesting...

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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 18:15:15 (permalink)
    if you saw a book titled, Tom Brockway's Guide to Full-Contact Coed Nude Fly-Fishing, you'd reach for the ol' credit card
    I would. Just for the memories. Wait until those coeds found out that I couldn't care less about fly-fishing, unless that fly were my own.
    Tom Brockway's Favorite Holiday Octopus Recipes
    Tom Brockway's Gator Wrasslin' Tips
    Interesting; interesting. Why write a P5 book? Go with what you know.
    You got an imaginary friend? - Or a split personality?... I think he has an imaginary personality.
    Considering that this is Sean we're talking about, that'd be better than having a split friend. If you know what I mean ...

    Hey Mr. Mojo: How'd you like that winter "hurricane" that came your way? Add 25-30 MPH to that, and that's what we call a near-miss.
    P5 In The Mix" (Tom) and one maybe (:10). :10 is also a graphics man....this is interesting...
    Think about it: Sean's graphics and my writing style. Plain brown wrapper; for sure.

    I used to earn my keep with graphics; 3D, mostly. Sean's a proven commodity; graphically, musically, and informationally. I have at least one Multimedia Specialist that I could count on for anything; no questions asked. Talented and gifted, with a musical background. I know of at least 2 or 3 others that I could "convince" to collaborate on a project like this. So there is a pool to draw on; the groundwork is in place.

    Remains to be seen if there would be any official support for a project of this scope. Not that this is the "forum" for a business proposal, but we are gauging a potential response, and surveying the most appropriate of demographics. One thought, though: There'd be no sense in putting that kind of time in for just version 2. Of course, I'd cover 1.5 for the overlap, but it only makes sense to give me a sneak peak at V3.

    For research purposes. Of course.
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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 19:07:47 (permalink)
    One thought, though: There'd be no sense in putting that kind of time in for just version 2. Of course, I'd cover 1.5 for the overlap, but it only makes sense to give me a sneak peak at V3.


    I totally agree there, that's what made me think of that title. Soooo.... Ron, Noel, Nick, does we get a lil look see?

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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 19:21:28 (permalink)
    something being done like this by a third party is based on potential return. maybe p5 does not have a large enough user base to warrant someone writing a book. then again most anyone here could write that book and publish it. cake has published a manual and i would hazard a guess that is the sum total of their responsibility. so someone who wants a little side income that in 5 to 10 years will possibly be a very nice amount...get to typing....:-)
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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 19:30:09 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: b rock
    Hey Mr. Mojo: How'd you like that winter "hurricane" that came your way? Add 25-30 MPH to that, and that's what we call a near-miss.

    You know, in Boulder we were completely missed... - second or third time this month... - I'm beginning to truly believe the whole "Boulder Bubble" myth...


    I have at least one Multimedia Specialist that I could count on for anything; no questions asked. Talented and gifted, with a musical background.

    Until I saw that "Talented and gifted" thing... I thought you were talking about me!... Whew! - Close call!

    ...

    So, a couple of things...
    1st) I *know* (ahem) that certain people are VERY interested in a DVD at Cakewalk... - so maybe someone could run the idea by them? (and NO, not me...) ...
    2nd) There ain't know money in it... (or very little)... really...
    3rd) I am still doing DVD tutorials - but now for a much larger audience and for some good moola - so I'd be glad to lend some technical expertise but can't put any crunch time work in to it... (sorry)
    4th) You should seriously seriously SERIOUSLY approach Jesse Jost about this. - I think he'd like to see some tutorials make their way to www.project5.com... and I believe that they have some resources in place to help put those in to web form...
    5th) I have now probably succeeded in getting myself cut off from Jesse from this day forward...



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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 19:37:07 (permalink)
    Until I saw that "Talented and gifted" thing... I thought you were talking about me!
    You could've easily been the person in that category, Chris, but I know how busy you are.
    I had you pegged for the "convince" category, so as not to put an unfair burden on your time.
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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 19:41:25 (permalink)
    Just in case any of you are serious about this, I would suggest you make this an online version (Like Adobe or Macromedia's html help files), and host it on the wiki. Makes it easier to update; anyone with the password could modify it whenever; you could have each lesson/chapter forward to the next; create a table of contents - fill it up in time; you wouldn't have to worry about typos after printing - change em when you find them; or worry about the issues of printing / stocking / selling a book; especially given the small crowd that uses P5. If FLStudio has to sell its official manual through Cafepress, I don't see a ton of sales potential for P5. If I thought you could make money on a print version, I'd tell you to go for it, unofficial version or not — but I doubt it. Let's face it, we're a small crowd here, even with the lurkers. I can help with the structuring of the online book for the wiki, but I'm not talented enough to write the articles themselves. My 2¢.

    To think, at one time P5 was a $429 MSRP app.

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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 19:56:37 (permalink)
    ... you wouldn't have to worry about typos after printing
    Now there's a biggie in my book.
    Just in case any of you are serious about this
    Of course I am. But only if I can have Bob [techead] as a proofreader and executive collaborator, along with everyone else.
    There ain't know money in it... (or very little)... really...
    Suffice it to say, the ROI has got to be slightly higher than my situation here right now. Bottom looks like up.
    That's really not the issue. There's a need for it, nobody's going to get rich over it, but an investment in time for a project of this magnitude requires an assurance that the basic costs are covered.

    I don't need the money, but I'm not anxious to throw it away, either. Prone to, but not anxious.
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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 20:00:19 (permalink)
    Prone to, but not anxious
    maybe you could become anxious to being prone to. :-)
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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 21:30:55 (permalink)
    I'm thinking P5 has such a small user base because 'there just aint no coverage on it'!

    Seriously though, if it were made clear where it has an undeniable niche in the production environment, many more people would take the dive toward getting it. I mean, ofcourse it needs to grow and improve, but just think, it's only seen two iterations.

    The similar compared programs have been through three and five versions and this one is still better in many ways! People truly need to know how and why that is.

    There are those of us who are already working in other areas in the industry, myself included, but may simply want to consider being a part of something that can make a difference.

    Done correctly I believe we could pull together and make it happen, as long as it's well thought out to the point we don't actually loose our pocket linings over it.

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    RE: Why isn't there a DVD or at least a Ignite/Power book for P5v2? 2005/12/05 21:45:26 (permalink)
    I totally agree that there needs to be some sort of Project 5 power book.

    Most sequencers today are pretty difficult to learn cold turkey all on your own.

    The manuals tend to just explain what each parameter does, but offers very little explanation on why a certain parameter is used over the other.

    Also Sequencer guides can also boost some extra sales.

    A little before I bought Sonar, I bought the Sonar Power and Cubase Power. A combination of reading those guides and asking around on forums led me to give Sonar a try. (I also have Logic power as well as Cubase Power. I try to stay up on the competition.)

    Anyways reading the Sonar Power guide from end to end a few times put me in the right direction on how I should use Sonar.


    I definitely think someone should do a Project 5 power book. I would buy it in a jiffy. I still haven't found a suitable workflow in the program. I think the emphasis should be on sequencing.


    I get better in P5 time after time, but Sonar for the most part feels natural to me for some reason.

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