Yeah, a little over reaction. Hope my apology was accepted. I've been wrapped around the axle on piracy for a long time now and as i stated I had and still have no idea how to get SW that way. My initial rub comes from music and everyone napstering someone elses property. I found myself in the last decade living in a world were Lars the azz frrom metalica was getting his butt handed to him for voicing distain for people who are in my opinion stealing his and his band's hard work. This new generation coming behind me seems to feel that bootlegging every CD in all of their friends collections as perfectly OK and fine and just the way it is. I see it as someones intellectual property and an outright theft. The practice has become so prevailant that I no longer even think that any of my copyrights are worth the 35 bucks I spent on each of them. When my website is finished I'll just put my stuff on there and if someone wants to donate a quarter to help me buy some new guitar strings then good for me and them. Ten years ago I still considered it my material and property but nowadays I understand that I live in a different world from the one I grew up in and the concept of doing the right thing just to be doing the right thing doesn't seem to rank up there with 'I want it and I can get it so it's mine'.

Didn't mean to spank the FNG and it was a knee jerk reaction. To be honest, I still don't understand how people think that artists trying to protect their work and actually get paid for their efforts are the bad guy and that they are cheating the cheats out of something they believe is theirs just because it's in a medium that is easy to steal. I guess I'm a dinasuar.

ORIGINAL: Amazed

Whats the worry? .. You're never gonna download a pirated copy and and nor will anybody else that wants to stay legit. Showing people parked cars doesn't make everybody a car thief even though they are there for all to see.

I am an anti-piracy advocate but I see no harm in the OP's remedy of the situation. We've argued the license vs. media thing before and the OP is apparently a licensed user. So, to me, the media or the delivery thereof, is of no consequence. No one was denied the benefit of ownership or income from the creation of the product. In fact it could be said that everyone in the product chain was spared the extra effort and expense of replacing the product. The pirate site lost a little bandwidth and the glory of sticking it to "the man." Winning situation all around.

Making a public announcement about it in the manufacturer's website because you didn't have time to follow their policy is bad form, IMHO. Policies are usually set after much thought and not to punish the customer so trying to extract a little revenge in this way was unnecessary.

Reminds me of a song a comic did back in the 80s. It was called

"Two Wrongs Don't Make a Right, But Three Lefts Do"

ORIGINAL: pkev

Hi there,

I'll wager there is a bigger problem with musicians who don't declare all their earnings to the Inland Revenue and pay their due tax. If anyone was to hazard a guess on this forum as to how many of you actually don't declare all your earnings from Music.

I don't think 75%- 80% would be an unreasonable guess

While many perhaps are hobbyists and amateurs, it is still unlikely that you would not receive at least some financial recompense for your efforts along the way

I won't believe for a minute that all those in this forum who advocate so strongly against software piracy who make a living in anyway from music pay all their due taxes.

Call it cynicism or whatever....perhaps experience

Just food for thought

Cheers
pkev

I do it myself with music, though in my case it's done out of laziness, as in I download albums that I already own on CD (to put on my ipod). For me, it's quicker and easier than ripping a CD, but that's it.

That's the biggest pile of BS I've ever heard. Do you have a 2x CD player? You definitely can't download faster than you can rip. And besides with a download you have to worry about missing parts, trojans and viruses.

ORIGINAL: pkev

I won't believe for a minute that all those in this forum who advocate so strongly against software piracy who make a living in anyway from music pay all their due taxes.
Cheers
pkev

Exactly. He who casts the first stone...

Exactly. He who casts the first stone...




...is guilty of nothing and apparantly hit some guilty nerves with the rock. You guys should be ashamed to even TRY to put honor or integrity or any excuse for stealing anothers property. That's exactly what I was talking about in my dinasuar post. You truly can't see that it's the same thing as stealing gas if the attendent is in the bathroom. Shame on the attendent, not you, right. The dummy left the door open. Everyone else is doing it. You kissed my mom so I can kiss your sister. Some un named somebody doesn't pay his share of taxes so you can rob him of his goods. It is a load. It is improper thinking and just BS for those who do pirate music to believe they are justified. Pitiful. Just so we are clear here I don't agree with any of the positioning and dancing around the issue on this. It's wrong and I pity those of you who grew up thinking like this. I already suspect the earth will be a boiling crap-pool by the time I am gone from it but it pains me to know that my child will be living with this kind of mentality and with few references as to what is truly right and truly wrong. This is not an opinion, it is not a gray area, it's a fact.

ORIGINAL: RockStringBender
...is guilty of nothing and apparantly hit some guilty nerves with the rock. You guys should be ashamed to even TRY to put honor or integrity or any excuse for stealing anothers property. That's exactly what I was talking about in my dinasuar post. You truly can't see that it's the same thing as stealing gas if the attendent is in the bathroom. Shame on the attendent, not you, right. The dummy left the door open. Everyone else is doing it. You kissed my mom so I can kiss your sister. Some un named somebody doesn't pay his share of taxes so you can rob him of his goods. It is a load. It is improper thinking and just BS for those who do pirate music to believe they are justified. Pitiful. Just so we are clear here I don't agree with any of the positioning and dancing around the issue on this. It's wrong and I pity those of you who grew up thinking like this. I already suspect the earth will be a boiling crap-pool by the time I am gone from it but it pains me to know that my child will be living with this kind of mentality and with few references as to what is truly right and truly wrong. This is not an opinion, it is not a gray area, it's a fact.

what if someone kissed your sister AND your mom?

ORIGINAL: F@KKER

real life scenario here:

I d/l'd mp3 versions of music I purchased years ago originally as vinyl albums; am I breaking the law?

F@KKER

1 years hard labour for you. No visiting rights. You may eat bugs that enter your cell.

Am I making any money out of this deal?



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- Original - Lazy Monkey23 -
Downloading something I already own to turn it into an mp3 file and ripping the same album from the CD results in the same: AN MP3 FILE! Your car analogy is not the same thing. Your inability to see that is depressing

What's depressing is your total lack of a sense of humor...

LOL...... You can tell that some of the self righteous on this thread have never had a problem with a faulty CD or DVD software that they've tried to get sorted. I almost hope they do at some point, let's hear them whine then.

I have had the mis-fortune and I can assure you it's a right royal PITA. My sympathies to the OP. The only bright side is that you weren't trying to deal with microsoft.

Hey Can we cuss in here?



@#*&^g?*##!!

well heck, now that you put it that way I guess I should go online shopping today. There's dozens of songs that i have been lurking in the used CD store for and I need a copy of Macromedia MX 2004 for my website. Hot darn, forget everything I said, it's a free for all with all those others living such shameful lives. I've been cheating myself out of all this free stuff all this time.

I find it easier to do it that way (even if you don't) and the result is the same so quite frankly it doesn't matter if you find it the biggest pile of BS you've ever heard.

So now your story has changed. First it was because it was faster, now its because its easier. Next thing it will be because its cheaper. I hope you're ready to produce your originals when the RIAA drops by.

ORIGINAL: Oaf_Topik

- Original - Lazy Monkey23 -
Downloading something I already own to turn it into an mp3 file and ripping the same album from the CD results in the same: AN MP3 FILE! Your car analogy is not the same thing. Your inability to see that is depressing

What's depressing is your total lack of a sense of humor...

I've told you this before Oaf, I have a sense of humor. You're just not funny.