Pingkachu
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Why use MME for MIDI in Windows 10 now?
I know there are advantages using UWP MIDI engine in Windows 10 reading the Cakewalk notes.
However can you please tell me why I would use MME on Windows 10 now with new Sonar release, and why is UMP is not new default for Windows 10?
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Re: Why use MME for MIDI in Windows 10 now?
2017/03/29 00:00:19
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I have MIDI WRK projects (782 all up) that I have sequenced in Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 that, when I load into Sonar Platinum with the MIDI driver mode set to UWP, the patches for the individual tracks do not get initialised properly.
Most tracks get set to piano instead of the intended patch.
When I change the MIDI driver mode back to MME, these WRK files play correctly.
These files are MIDI only and contain no audio.
All of these WRK files are being sent, via a MIDI out connection to an external XG sound module. They are specifically sequenced with the right controller and sysex information for that module.
For me, I am staying with MME as I need these WRK files to play correctly when I load them into Sonar Platinum.
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Re: Why use MME for MIDI in Windows 10 now?
2017/03/29 01:59:08
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They probably didn't want to risk breaking an entire installed base of midi tracks all at once so they let you turn it on and try it. After all, it's Microsoft's thing.
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Re: Why use MME for MIDI in Windows 10 now?
2017/03/29 03:03:53
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And we're a long way from Windows 10 being the default OS for Sonar users.
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Re: Why use MME for MIDI in Windows 10 now?
2017/03/29 05:25:12
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Pingkachu
Why I would use MME on Windows 10 now with new Sonar release
One reason, UWP currently doesn't properly support some multi-port MIDI devices
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Re: Why use MME for MIDI in Windows 10 now?
2017/03/29 06:03:01
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I'm out of synch with my posts. At the moment I'm posting but learning more once scook has posted. I'll have to hold off for a day.
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Re: Why use MME for MIDI in Windows 10 now?
2017/03/29 06:15:53
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well, I tried UWP and it does not work with the devices I use (Eventide, MOTU, ...) so I'm back to MME
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Re: Why use MME for MIDI in Windows 10 now?
2017/03/29 08:38:43
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For me too! It does not work well with M-AUDIO PROJECTMIX
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Pingkachu
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Re: Why use MME for MIDI in Windows 10 now?
2017/03/29 12:34:03
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Will it eventually replace MME for Windows 10 when it is all working? I know it will take some time.
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Re: Why use MME for MIDI in Windows 10 now?
2017/03/29 13:40:04
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scook
Pingkachu
Why I would use MME on Windows 10 now with new Sonar release
One reason, UWP currently doesn't properly support some multi-port MIDI devices
is this the new "via bluetooth" stuff ?
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Re: Why use MME for MIDI in Windows 10 now?
2017/03/30 10:26:17
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FWIW, shortly after I enabled UWP MIDI, I experienced a BSOD (first I'd ever seen in Windows 10, so a novelty if nothing else). The cause was DPC_WATCHDOG_VIOLATION. I restarted the PC and it's been fine so far. I'll investigate further only if it happens again. At this point, I have no idea whether it was UWP MIDI related or not, of course.
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Re: Why use MME for MIDI in Windows 10 now?
2017/03/30 10:35:08
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I must use MME. UWP will not recognize my Behringer X-Touch or Frontier Tranzport control surfaces.
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Re: Why use MME for MIDI in Windows 10 now?
2017/04/09 01:43:19
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Enabling UWP disables my A-PRO ACT device
So back to MME for me
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Re: Why use MME for MIDI in Windows 10 now?
2017/04/09 02:24:50
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Midi UWP implementation in windows has a long way to go. It doesn't seem to work with many devices at all (it doesn't work with anything I use). I think it was a very wise decision by Cakewalk not to default to it.
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Re: Why use MME for MIDI in Windows 10 now?
2017/04/15 15:50:06
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Seems to work fine for me. I have a VS-100 and an iConnectMidi4 connected.
The management and port labeling for the iConnect is improved.
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Re: Why use MME for MIDI in Windows 10 now?
2017/04/18 18:31:49
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It didn't work for me and I have a Cakewalk UM-3G MIDI interface (and some USB MIDI devices also). So I had to go back to MME. If there are valuable features in UWP, then somehow the bakers need to figure how to make it compatible with MME or at least explain how we can get our projects working with UWP, if that's even possible. Let's hope they don't take away MME any time soon. This is probably just version 1 growing pains.
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Re: Why use MME for MIDI in Windows 10 now?
2017/04/20 15:44:54
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mudgel
And we're a long way from Windows 10 being the default OS for Sonar users.
Just an FYI - check out the September 2016 eZine top 10 operating systems for SONAR users. An excerpt: #1: Windows 10 – 64 Bit With an almost 3:1 lead over second place, SONAR users are voting with their wallets and going for Windows 10. Although actually, it’s probably more accurate to say they’re not voting with their wallets because they likely installed Windows 10 when it was a free upgrade…but you get the point. In any event, this may also help explain the general consensus about SONAR performing very well—it seems SONAR and Windows 10 were made for each other.
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Re: Why use MME for MIDI in Windows 10 now?
2017/04/20 16:01:17
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And I always like to point out that Windows 10 is still free to those who use accessibility features like the Magnifier.
I will also say that I use both W7 and W10 equally and I really don't notice any difference in how my software behaves at all. My 3 Desktops are all W10, my 2 Laptops are W7 and my little netbook is still XP. All perform smoothly and without issue day to day. Only W10 will cause me grief when it updates and re sets all my preferences :(
At work we will be using W7 for at least another 5 years or more according to the IT dept.
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