Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project?

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2013/09/27 12:11:58 (permalink)

Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project?

The console stays in the Multidock, as does the browser and any instruments that I dock there. But if I dock effects in there, they don't save with the project. When I reopen the project they've disappeared. This has always been a source of frustration and I guess I'm finally asking about it, lol...

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    Bristol_Jonesey
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    Re: Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project? 2013/09/27 14:58:24 (permalink)
    Mine do.
     
    Are you working on a locked screenset?

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    Re: Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project? 2013/09/27 16:13:12 (permalink)
    Nope, this is a problem I have with all projects, old and new.

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    Re: Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project? 2013/09/27 16:16:38 (permalink)
    Nope, this is a problem I have with all projects, old and new.

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    Re: Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project? 2013/09/28 01:23:38 (permalink)
    It looks like it is working correctly here as well, at least on a small project.
     
    Is it all effects, or just those from a specific vendor?

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    Re: Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project? 2013/09/28 01:57:17 (permalink)
    Same here
    If plugs are in FX bin, they are saved in the multidock
    If plugs are in FX chain in the ProChannel, then they are not saved 
     
    Why is this so?
     

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    Re: Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project? 2013/09/28 02:01:26 (permalink)
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    Same here
    If plugs are in FX bin, they are saved in the multidock
    If plugs are in FX chain in the ProChannel, then they are not saved 
     
    Why is this so?
     




    Aha, think you've probably hit the nail on the head here - I virtually always use plugs in ProChannel FX Chains. Let's hope this has been addressed in X3. If not, I'll file a bug report. 

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    Re: Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project? 2013/09/28 02:06:47 (permalink)
    sharky Maybe so, but I wonder if somewhere there is a setting that we are missing to toggle this feature?
     

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    Re: Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project? 2013/09/28 02:09:48 (permalink)
    Also this is why i posed... 
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/FX-Chain-and-UIs-m2886763.aspx
     
    as I was trying to find a workaround
     
     

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    Re: Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project? 2013/09/28 02:15:39 (permalink)
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    sharky Maybe so, but I wonder if somewhere there is a setting that we are missing to toggle this feature?
     

     
    I don't think there is a setting. Can't think of any reason why anyone would want FX bin plugs to stay docked while FX Chain plugs didn't. To be honest I think there are just certain oddities with FX Chains in the ProChannel. One other oddity that I found is that if you try and automate the "enable" parameter of PC FX Chains (i.e. the on/off button) then the automation will only be read if the ProChannel in question is visible either in the console or the inspector. At the time I pointed this out, someone from Cakewalk chimed in to say that they were aware of the issue but that they couldn't fix it because to do so would break other things. My guess would be that certain elements of the X-series were rushed and were never developed 100%. I hope it's fixed in X3. 
     

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    Re: Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project? 2013/09/28 02:35:07 (permalink)
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    sharky Maybe so, but I wonder if somewhere there is a setting that we are missing to toggle this feature?
     

     
    I don't think there is a setting. Can't think of any reason why anyone would want FX bin plugs to stay docked while FX Chain plugs didn't.

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    Re: Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project? 2013/09/28 02:37:26 (permalink)
    I have felt for a long time now that releases have been rushed. Although Boston has often said that Roland leaves them alone to do their thing, I believe there has always been excess pressure to meet certain expectations with limited resources and personnel power. 
     
    Furthermore I hope that Gibson will be, or possibly already is aware of this, which is all part of the great plan for Sonar X in the future. Fingers crossed.

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    Re: Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project? 2013/09/28 07:15:40 (permalink)
    Have you tried using the same fxchain in the fxbin? That would tell us if it is a limitation of the fxchain or of prochannel.

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    Re: Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project? 2013/09/29 07:13:19 (permalink)
    Tom Riggs
    Have you tried using the same fxchain in the fxbin? That would tell us if it is a limitation of the fxchain or of prochannel.


    Yes Tom... FXchains behave different in the fx bin, on reopen a project they've are displayed.
    In the ProChannel they are NOT displayed in the  Multidock.
    Cake plugs, Sonitus plugs, 3rd party plugs all have same results.
    I hope this has been fixed in X3

     

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    Re: Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project? 2013/09/29 09:39:11 (permalink)
    Good catch, please send in a bug report and we'll try and fix it for the B patch.

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    Re: Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project? 2013/09/29 10:23:42 (permalink)
    Will do. On another note, can someone please let me know if support for mouse navigation buttons has been added to the browser? If not then that's another feature request to submit.

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    Re: Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project? 2013/09/29 19:32:04 (permalink)
    Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
    Good catch, please send in a bug report and we'll try and fix it for the B patch.


     
    In the "B patch"
    What so... does this mean the "A patch" is too close to release to include this bug fix?????????
     
    Grand!!!

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    Re: Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project? 2013/09/29 20:24:12 (permalink)
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    Good catch, please send in a bug report and we'll try and fix it for the B patch.


     
    In the "B patch"
    What so... does this mean the "A patch" is too close to release to include this bug fix?????????
     
    Grand!!!




    The A patch has already been released - it's the version available for download from Cakewalk. 

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    Re: Why won't effects plugins stay in my Multidock when I save the project? 2013/09/29 22:18:56 (permalink)
    Right thanks … that really confused me  lol

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