Widening Piano

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2015/05/25 18:22:26 (permalink)

Widening Piano

The Ivory II grand pianos—especially the Steinway—sound phenomenal.  They are not, however, very wide even when stereo imaging is at 100%.
 
Is there a simple way to widen the stereo image?  This VI does not sound as wide to me as the acoustic pianos I have recorded with two mics, although otherwise the sound is perfect.

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    Anderton
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    Re: Widening Piano 2015/05/25 18:24:16 (permalink)
    Nomad Factory Blue Tubes has a stereo imager which works reasonably well in moderation.

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    Re: Widening Piano 2015/05/25 18:30:13 (permalink)
    Waves S1 is a good one too. I usually use it the other way where too wide stereo is better at 1100-1400 hours or so.
    http://www.waves.com/plugins/s1-stereo-imager
     
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    post edited by lfm - 2015/05/25 18:37:39
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    Re: Widening Piano 2015/05/25 18:30:55 (permalink)
    FLUX stereo-toolv3 free vst
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    Re: Widening Piano 2015/05/25 22:49:57 (permalink)
    Sonar x3 comes with the Nomad Factory Blue Tube Bundle, which includes a stereo widener.  Which version of Sonar are you currently using?
     
    Voxengo has a free stereo widening plugin you can download and use for free.
     
    See the link,  http://www.voxengo.com/product/stereotouch/
     
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    Re: Widening Piano 2015/05/25 23:28:13 (permalink)
    Or Channel Tools does a decent job too.

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    Re: Widening Piano 2015/05/25 23:33:35 (permalink)
    Channel Tools works, but I've got to put it out there that the only times I've had issues with Sonar Plat is when i've used/inserted Channel Tools into the project. Some others have reported quirks with it also. It may be fine, just saying.
     

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    Re: Widening Piano 2015/05/26 21:40:21 (permalink)
    Great ideas, guys.  Some of these plugs sound like things I will use more than just for this.  (Craig, You know I am sometimes prone to a rather wide image. )
     
    I will have to look at Channel Tools again, though, because I found it to be useful only for narrowing or reversing L/R. I did not think it could widen.

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    Re: Widening Piano 2015/05/26 23:03:43 (permalink)
    It has a widening preset.

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    Re: Widening Piano 2015/05/27 00:06:22 (permalink)
    OK, cool.  I see the widening preset—thanks.  In the case of Ivory, though, I am still getting more left meter across the whole keyboard.

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    Re: Widening Piano 2015/05/27 00:11:27 (permalink)
    Maybe bounce the synth using split mono and process each track separately.
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