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2015/01/30 12:57:18 (permalink)

Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations?

In other words, if I use Command Center, can I install everything where I want to? (For example, software in c:/music software, other resources on d: and audio data/samples on e: drives)
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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 13:08:39 (permalink)
This is EXACTLY my issue with CC. I've got a smaller SSD OS drive, but HUGE drives where I store content and another where I store programming.

HOW does one tell command center where to install the various programs? I do NOT want my OS drive bogged down or overwhelmed. I went to settings and it gave options where to install plugins ... but that's it.

How do I direct it as to where to put both programming and content (which are separate drives on my system)?

I need to know this before I can install any further programming, and it winds up where I don't want it.

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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 13:14:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Psychobillybob 2015/01/30 13:37:25
I did search for a solution for this, but gave up after nothing really answered this simple question ... most of the other threads wanted to know how to get a standalone installation.

I don't mind using CC, as my system is connected to the net ... but it is essential for me to be able to determine what drives to install what where.

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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 13:33:23 (permalink)
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... I don't mind using CC, as my system is connected to the net ... but it is essential for me to be able to determine what drives to install what where.



+1
 
This is actually a big deal to a lot of users.  I certainly hope we're not expected to use a workaround/registry hack for something so basic.

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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 13:36:54 (permalink)
HUGE friggin deal to me...I like the OP run a smaller SSD for OS and proggys, I spent an hour last night moving "Cakewalk content" to my multi-terabyte storage drive which is where I want to keep stuff...command center is unwieldy, uncooperative and a complete waste of time in a real studio.

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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 13:46:27 (permalink)
Weird, when I upgraded the Cakewalk content went straight to a folder under my D drive where it belongs.
The cog icon allowed me the specify the VST file path settings before upgrading.
 
Maybe I have a later version of CCC?
 
 
 

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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 13:48:39 (permalink)
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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 13:51:25 (permalink)
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Weird, when I upgraded the Cakewalk content went straight to a folder under my D drive where it belongs.
The cog icon allowed me the specify the VST file path settings before upgrading.
 
Maybe I have a later version of CCC?




Or the cog icon went unnoticed by some.  This is the kind of thing that should be made VERY CLEAR in the program.

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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 13:53:48 (permalink)
It's not simply "vst's" its the whole friggin enchilada I want on another hard drive...

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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 13:55:27 (permalink)
IIRC when using the downladed installers (from your store account) first (not CCC) you can specifiy and from that point on I understand CCC to "know" where to do updates.
 
I also recall somewhere a baker saying that CCC will be updated to allow you to specify locations. I know that doesn't help today. 
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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 13:58:23 (permalink)
I don't know if this is what you want but the Command Center will let you control where you can install your plugins. However it wont let you do a custom install of the program or where it is to be installed. 
 
I hope that CW will expand the options available to us with the command center. 
 
I fully understand the need. 

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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 13:59:40 (permalink)
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Weird, when I upgraded the Cakewalk content went straight to a folder under my D drive where it belongs.
The cog icon allowed me the specify the VST file path settings before upgrading.
 
Maybe I have a later version of CCC?




JonD
Or the cog icon went unnoticed by some.  This is the kind of thing that should be made VERY CLEAR in the program.




I agree. It's however force of habit for me. Plenty of installers do it. Check XLN's for example, settings are hidden away. Before I install any software I hunt around for all the options that may be hidden away so I don't get caught out.
 
The great thing about XLN's settings is however that if you screw up, you just have to change the settings and it moves the files and folders around for you.

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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 14:04:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SONARtist 2015/01/30 18:32:30
I just went thru this un-necessary exercise and have a simple solution. Go to the dir with your installation files, look for the Sonar installer, and run it manually. It's pretty similar to earlier installers and offers a 'Custom' install option. It doesn't have all the instrument option stuff, but that's a different issue. Anyway, you can then set the drv of choice for the program install and basic VST stuff. There is even an option to select between 32 vs 64b installs. I use both because I have a bunch of favorite 32b VSTs and bridging is a kludge. You probably need to set the installer to 'Run as Admin' first. I suspect that's needed for C3 as well.
I haven't tried the instrument installers yet and would love to get SI-Instruments off my C drv as well. CW really botched the C3 for SSD folks, imho. So, ditch the C3 and do it manually like we've always had to do it. 
 
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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 14:26:01 (permalink)
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I just went thru this un-necessary exercise and have a simple solution. Go to the dir with your installation files, look for the Sonar installer, and run it manually. It's pretty similar to earlier installers and offers a 'Custom' install option. It doesn't have all the instrument option stuff, but that's a different issue. Anyway, you can then set the drv of choice for the program install and basic VST stuff. There is even an option to select between 32 vs 64b installs. I use both because I have a bunch of favorite 32b VSTs and bridging is a kludge. You probably need to set the installer to 'Run as Admin' first. I suspect that's needed for C3 as well.
I haven't tried the instrument installers yet and would love to get SI-Instruments off my C drv as well. CW really botched the C3 for SSD folks, imho. So, ditch the C3 and do it manually like we've always had to do it. 
 


But remember, after you manually install, all updates can only be gotten (IIRC) through CCC.
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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 15:37:38 (permalink)
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I just went thru this un-necessary exercise and have a simple solution. Go to the dir with your installation files, look for the Sonar installer, and run it manually. It's pretty similar to earlier installers and offers a 'Custom' install option. It doesn't have all the instrument option stuff, but that's a different issue. Anyway, you can then set the drv of choice for the program install and basic VST stuff. There is even an option to select between 32 vs 64b installs. I use both because I have a bunch of favorite 32b VSTs and bridging is a kludge. You probably need to set the installer to 'Run as Admin' first. I suspect that's needed for C3 as well.
I haven't tried the instrument installers yet and would love to get SI-Instruments off my C drv as well. CW really botched the C3 for SSD folks, imho. So, ditch the C3 and do it manually like we've always had to do it. 
 



Does this mean that the Command Center will download the installation files in the designated download area (as determined by the "cog"/settings), and NOT simply install automatically?
... AND should you THEN want to install OUTSIDE of the CCC, there is a traditional setup.exe file in the download located in the designated download folder?
 
The "issue" of course is the "automatic launch" of the Command Center installer. If the download occurs and it doesn't automatically launch into installation, then this is the simplest of fixes: Manually install from the download folder.

Does anyone know if this is the protocol ... and please pardon if this sounds simplistic:

CCC downloads in to download folder (chosen in settings) ---> Pause (awaiting instruction to install)??

If so, then just exit the CCC at that point, navigate to the download folder chosen, and run manually. This would be an easy, simple workaround ... IF there is a pause. Since I would let it do anything until I was more certain, I've not yet installed anything but the Addictive Drum Plug ... which I WAS able to direct to a chosen folder/drive.
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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 15:56:21 (permalink)
That is EXACTLY my concern! The C3 not only denies me access to a 32b install, but also dumps everything onto my tiny C: SSD which is unacceptable. Well, it's not actually too tiny (120MB), but it needs space for 5 or 6 system restore points, 32GB for a hibernate file, and about 50 GB basic OS and prog stuff, so an extra 5 or 6 GB here and there are not to be ignored! So, to get a usable config, I use a "Custom" install and already fear for what the C3 will do as its 'Artificial Stupid' deals with  automatic updates (which is by and large its biggest selling point apparently). There sure better be options about how and when these updates will occur so I can BU everything first. Another thing I didn't use to have to deal with (both the scheduling and the BU's because it isn't trusted). And don't get me started on how difficult it is to even BU a CW/Sonar system which sticks stuff all over the place. This is probably the motivation for trying to stick everything on the C: drive in the first place, but SSDs disrupted that model years ago. 
 
It's not that hard to script up some option alternatives rather than have one auto default for the C3, or is it? Some app's have been using .ini files for a long time to keep track of setup history. I'm pretty sure the first upgrade we see from the C3 will be it's own update before it even gets around to considering any Sonar updates. Granted the C3 is new and a 'work in progress', but it sure seems immature and necessitates manually configuring things now. I just don't see any advantages so far, just downsides. The sinker will be eliminating any manual path of installation/DL and locking users into the C3 for distribution and configurations. That would be an end-of-product-life decision for me until it has many improvements and demonstrated reliability. There have been just too many surprises so far. All I wanted (and still want) is/was a nice stable 'X4?' update from my old 32b X1d, so the rest of this is just fluff as far as I'm concerned. I'm not against being an early adopter, but it has to be an option for when I have time and interest in dealing with it. 
 
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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 16:02:49 (permalink)
In the settings you can specify a location for the download files. Mark have you look in the settings yet of CCC?
 
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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 16:17:57 (permalink)
I have, so what do you recommend, uninstalling it and reinstalling it with the new path (ie: D:\CakewalkContent)?
 
In windows (and how long will legacy modes of drive naming remain SOP?) it defaults to C:\, so if I want to move it, can I simply copy and paste (check if it works then delete old path) or doe the registry entry buggle up that idea?

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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 16:22:12 (permalink)
Damnit there are two Marks, I meant Mark Letcher!! Sorry..!
 
Mark Pixley just move it yourself and change folder locations in preferences  I suggest. Registry hack may need to happen if/when is necessary.
 
Not sure exactly is in your Cakewalk Content, mine has been customized for some time...
 
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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 16:39:34 (permalink)
It seems to be working...I am still in the playing around with it mode...I just get nervous when my OS hard drive gets to fat and turns red...probably not a game changer, but just a habit of mimetic design.
 
On another note should I reconsider core parking/Not core parking in Plantin-ieium?
 

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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 16:51:51 (permalink)
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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 17:10:34 (permalink)
Has anyone done the install via C3? Does it download and pause?

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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 17:40:17 (permalink)
Hi CakeAlex, I'm not trying to be too harsh. Yes I did check the settings options, though I kind of expected more of a plug and play experience. So, after buying the SPro update and getting the C3, I just started the DL. Then as it got started I began wondering about where stuff was going. I'm the type that even wants to know where the temp extraction stuff gets put. No temp data is allowed on the SSD, there are HDDs for that stuff. So, I stopped the DL and gave the C3 another look where I noticed the cog. It's not exactly in a 'toolbar' and might have been just another decoration (no text suggested a settings function), but there isn't some sort of menu with a 'Settings' or 'Defaults' option or even an initialization screen so maybe that would be the settings tucked away innocuously. Most CW stuff does have an init screen that can then be turned off (like for hints,etc).
 
Sure enough, the cog was for settings, yeh. So, I perused the options. OK, I can set my 32/64b VST locations. I've got other DAWs with these so far so good. And VST3's. I don't have any but know they're coming so since I've got locations setup, and I pointed at those. And then the 3rd section was for the DL location which is what I was looking for. No extraction location option, but I'll live with that. I'm not too sure what the max connections is for. Not having seen it in action I wasn't going to mess with it. I suspect it controls the number of files that can be simultaneously DL (maybe to take better advantage of mirrors and servers?). But, don't know, don't mess with it. Language, well I'd gotten this far so English must be good enough for me.
 
And that's where it got interesting. I looked around for a scroll bar, none in sight. Maybe another page option, no again. So, where was I going to be able to select some options for the program installation. Ahhh, I got it. There will be a option setup screen following the DLs. Must be it. So, I restart the DL. After 12 hrs or so, and 3 or 4 DL fails and re-starts, the DLs completed. I'd seen a thread that the DLs would be deleted upon installation which would be very bad, but not beyond imagination. This is why I was watching for completion of the DLs so closely. That rumor is untrue. Only interrupted DLs appear to be deleted and re-started. I was anxiously awaiting this moment. As an aside it would be really nice to show the total GBs needed prior to starting the DL to be sure the disk has enough space and show the actual MBs DL vs total along with the percentage complete. My ISP has a nasty habit of cutting my already limited DL speed in half and this lets me monitor them.
 
Anyway, it completed and then just jumped off and started installing stuff. I had no idea where until I got a chance to look at the shortcut properties and figure out it all went to the C: drive to my dismay. As it approached completion, I actually copied the DL dir to another partition just prior to completion so that if disaster struck as it often does, I could at least resume from an almost complete DL status. naturally, once things got installed and the installers were still intact, I re-copied those to an external destination for safekeeping.
 
So, to answer your question. Yes, I did discover and look at and setup the cog config settings. I'm looking at the cog screen right now and still don't see any Sonar installation options, a more page, or a scroll bar where they might be located. Perhaps I'm still missing something. It wouldn't be the first time. Maybe there is some update that escaped me? Please surprise me.
 
I'm also now of the opinion that C3 should be set to 'Run as Admin' prior to running it as well, but that's speculation on my part as the doc's seem to be silent on the matter.
 
 
 
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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 17:51:13 (permalink)
CakeAlex, I'm thinking that your question is about the default DL location within C3, while the OP's question has to do with where the Sonar program installation and it's options occur. I was addressing the latter. Of course, nobody wants the DL installation files to end up on their SSD either, so at least that option is available via the cog.
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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 18:32:49 (permalink)
+1.
 
I just don't get the lack of options to install the data where we want. The user. The owner of the HDD's/SSD's. It is truly weird and a not so good evolution of installments. The only way to install the whole package the proper way, is to do it by hand.
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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 21:23:52 (permalink)
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This is EXACTLY my issue with CC. I've got a smaller SSD OS drive, but HUGE drives where I store content and another where I store programming.

HOW does one tell command center where to install the various programs? I do NOT want my OS drive bogged down or overwhelmed. I went to settings and it gave options where to install plugins ... but that's it.

How do I direct it as to where to put both programming and content (which are separate drives on my system)?

I need to know this before I can install any further programming, and it winds up where I don't want it.


Mine went wherever X3e stuff went. I have my CW content folder on a separate sample drive E:\.
 
When I used the CCC to install plat and all the loops etc it put stuff on C and E according to what I had done before.
 
Which was nice.
But I think you had to already have installed this way previously-I could be wrong.

 
 
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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/30 21:35:28 (permalink)
I wish that CCC had the intelligence of the NI Service Centre. Even if you manually install a program outside of the service centre it knows about it, whereas CCC is dumb. It only knows about what went through it as far as downloads and installation directories.

It's nice and smooth for a simple one or everything install to defaults but if you're outside of those parameters you're out of luck.

If you want to install 4 packages say, you can't select those 4 and let it go and do its thing, as every individual thing as selected is downloaded and installed then you have to select the next thing.

It needs a good bit of refinement before it is a true Command Centre.

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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/31 09:36:02 (permalink)
I'm not sure I "trust it to do the right thing" ... I'd rather be able to direct where everything is put.

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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/31 10:58:46 (permalink)
Throughout this thread, I see references to a "cog." What is a "cog?"
 
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Re: Will Command Center support preferred installation destinations? 2015/01/31 11:57:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jbow 2015/01/31 19:12:30
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Throughout this thread, I see references to a "cog." What is a "cog?"
 


In C3, it is an icon you click to enter the settings.

I just downloaded Platinum ... and no, it does NOT pause between download and installation AND even with X3 located on the external drive, it put EVERYTHING ON MY C DRIVE.

I went to uninstall it to free up space on the OS drive, and it isn't even appearing in Programs in Windows.

Not good folks. I'll figure this out, but this is not good.

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