asimmd
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Will X2 Include Expanded?
Hi All
I was going to get the Expanded upgrade but with the new Sonar X2 due soon,do you think it will
be included in the new version?
Alan
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John T
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/14 10:35:26
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Yes. If you look at the features list for X2, it contains all the X1 Expanded features.
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/14 10:40:05
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Thanks John T
Pardon my ignorance but where is the feature list for X2?
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/14 10:54:56
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/14 11:20:22
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asimmd
Hi All
I was going to get the Expanded upgrade but with the new Sonar X2 due soon,do you think it will
be included in the new version?
Alan
Alan, If you're going Expanded I HIGHLY recommend buying the Production Suite. If you already have Producer then you'll get all the Expanded Features, Zeta 2.1, the PC4K -S Type Expander'Gate, and a Free PC4K-S Type Compressor for $100 AND YOU GET X2 FREE!!! That's the deal!
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/14 12:03:53
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Thank you cclarry for the headsup.
I would never have known about the upgrade if it were not for you telling me.
Guess what I will be buying at the weekend.
Thanks again
Alan
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/14 12:06:18
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asimmd
Thank you cclarry for the headsup.
I would never have known about the upgrade if it were not for you telling me.
Guess what I will be buying at the weekend.
Thanks again
Alan
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/14 12:55:25
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That is a good deal! If I hadn't already accumulated everything over the last nine months or so it's certainly what I would do.
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 02:50:59
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So to clarify...there will be no X2 "expanded"....X2 itself will be "expanded" from the get go? I'm just wondering whether it's worth me buying Production Suite now (it's $399). The way I look at it, the expanded upgrade from X1 Producer is about $50. Production Suite is $100 more than X1 Producer (currently $299). If I went for Production Suite now, I'd effectively be paying $50 extra for the extras that contains (since it includes Expanded). But when I get the free X2 upgrade, if that already contains the "expanded" features, then I would have effectively paid $100 for the Production Suite extras. Are they worth that much? Sorry if I've gotten this wrong.
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asimmd
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 04:33:41
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If you read cclarry's reply above,the Production Suite is $100,plus you get
X2 for free when it is released.
Alan
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 07:29:42
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sharke
So to clarify...there will be no X2 "expanded"....X2 itself will be "expanded" from the get go? I'm just wondering whether it's worth me buying Production Suite now (it's $399). The way I look at it, the expanded upgrade from X1 Producer is about $50. Production Suite is $100 more than X1 Producer (currently $299). If I went for Production Suite now, I'd effectively be paying $50 extra for the extras that contains (since it includes Expanded). But when I get the free X2 upgrade, if that already contains the "expanded" features, then I would have effectively paid $100 for the Production Suite extras. Are they worth that much? Sorry if I've gotten this wrong.
Here is what you need to consider Sharke... Expanded is $49 Zeta 2.1 is $99 or $49 to upgrade PC4K Expander Gate $49 you also get a FREE PC4K Compressor ($49) So at the bare minimum to get to the components of Production Suite it would cost you $147... Now what you have to consider is "How much is the upgrade from X1 Production Suite to X2 Producer going cost" If it's $49, which is HIGHLY unlikely then you've saved a total of $96...the $47 you saved by buying PS for $100 PLUS the $49 for the X2 Upgrade. If it's $99, which is more likely, then you've saved $145 dollars, and you can learn and use Expanded now, so that when X2 is released you'll already have a good grasp of it. Either way...it's pretty much a no brainer...if you're looking at Expanded now...do it now...Zeta 2.1 is worth the price... Cheers!!!
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 10:14:06
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Already having Expanded, I would need to know how much the X2 upgrade will cost in order to decide if it's worth it. I've never used Zeta-1, so Zeta2 is pretty incidental to me. I'd have to decide if dropping a hundred bucks in advance for a $49 track comp that i havent benn interested in is worth the "free" X2.
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 10:33:33
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M@ B
Already having Expanded, I would need to know how much the X2 upgrade will cost in order to decide if it's worth it. I've never used Zeta-1, so Zeta2 is pretty incidental to me. I'd have to decide if dropping a hundred bucks in advance for a $49 track comp that i havent benn interested in is worth the "free" X2.
I hear what your saying... If you have no interest in Zeta,, or the Pro Channel Modules then maybe you might be better off... The question is.. Will the upgrade structure include an Expanded upgrade? If it does then it WILL cost more then the Production Suite Upgrade...that's a given... but less then the Producer Upgrade...provided they even have an Expanded Upgrade Option... My view was this....I wanted to get Zeta anyways....which would have cost me $49 so if the Expanded Upgrade is From $99 or more...I basically got Zeta for free, or $1 so to speak, My assumption is the upgrade structure, based on the platform and the NEW inclusions will look like this... Production Suite to Producer $ 99 Expanded to Producer $129 to $149 Producer to Producer $149 to $199 and so on.... So, even to get the lowest price upgrade possible, you STILL need Production Suite. No matter how it shakes out....you end up coming out ahead... Unless, by some MASSIVELY UNLIKELY SCENARIO, they end up giving away the upgrades (that WON'T happen) Even if the Expanded Upgrade (which I already had) to X2 was $49 (NOT likely) I lost $2 in the gamble.. I'm pretty much AT LEAST getting Zeta for $1 and more then likely getting Zeta free and saving about $50. That's pretty good odds by my estimation...
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 11:23:46
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WHere are you guys getting these numbers from? I have not seen anything official about update pricing.
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 11:28:48
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 11:52:49
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ampfixer
WHere are you guys getting these numbers from? I have not seen anything official about update pricing.
If you re-read my post it states THESE ARE MY ASSUMPTIONS... which are SOLELY based on statistics of PAST upgrade pricing... THEY ARE GUESS-TIMATES...
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 12:04:52
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For me, upgrade pricing is irrelevant because I'm buying Sonar for the first time. I really like the fact that they're going to upgrade me to X2 for free, because otherwise I would be killing myself waiting for X2 to come out. I think I'll go for X1 Production Suite, since it's currently only $399 (down $100?) at B&H Photo here in New York.
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 12:13:00
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sharke
For me, upgrade pricing is irrelevant because I'm buying Sonar for the first time. I really like the fact that they're going to upgrade me to X2 for free, because otherwise I would be killing myself waiting for X2 to come out. I think I'll go for X1 Production Suite, since it's currently only $399 (down $100?) at B&H Photo here in New York.
Heck yeah... That's the price of just Producer..and you get all the Expanded, the PC4K Compressor & Gate, AND Zeta...and the free upgrade... CHA-CHING! SMART MOVE!!!
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 12:18:15
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Well it's about time. I always get the raw end of the deal when it comes to having to replace my phone just before the new model is released etc.
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 12:33:14
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sharke
Well it's about time. I always get the raw end of the deal when it comes to having to replace my phone just before the new model is released etc.
Believe me, I know the feeling..... 
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 12:44:22
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cclarry
If you're going Expanded I HIGHLY recommend buying the Production Suite.
If you already have Producer then you'll get all the Expanded Features,
Zeta 2.1, the PC4K -S Type Expander'Gate, and a Free PC4K-S Type Compressor for $100
AND YOU GET X2 FREE!!!
This does sound like the best deal for current Producer owners, but where are you seeing that the PC4k S-type Comp is included in the Production Suite? I see the Expander/Gate, but not the Comp, unless I've missed something. Anyway, thanks for the heads-up! Eddie
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 12:52:57
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cclarry
If you're going Expanded I HIGHLY recommend buying the Production Suite.
If you already have Producer then you'll get all the Expanded Features,
Zeta 2.1, the PC4K -S Type Expander'Gate, and a Free PC4K-S Type Compressor for $100
AND YOU GET X2 FREE!!!
This does sound like the best deal for current Producer owners, but where are you seeing that the PC4k S-type Comp is included in the Production Suite? I see the Expander/Gate, but not the Comp, unless I've missed something. Anyway, thanks for the heads-up!
Eddie
I just purchased the Production Suite, and it came with a FREE PC4K Compressor... It doesn't say that...but I got when...can't guarantee that you will...but....I got it..and didn't need it..
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asimmd
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 13:42:40
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I bought the Production Suite today and I also got the free
PC4K Channel Compressor.
Just need to work out how to use everything now,but after a quick
play this afternon,I'm glad I bought Production Suite.
Alan
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 13:49:57
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asimmd
I bought the Production Suite today and I also got the free
PC4K Channel Compressor.
Just need to work out how to use everything now,but after a quick
play this afternon,I'm glad I bought Production Suite.
Alan
You'll be quite happy you did.. You'll be up and ready (and will have lowered the learning curve) for X2 when it comes out!
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 16:52:31
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Production Suite customers won't get a discount because X2 doesn't include Zeta 2.1, PC4K Expander Gate and the PC4K Compressor. It only includes Expanded features so the upgrade will most likely start at $49 for Expanded customers. Scott Garrigus on his DigiFreq blog mentioned that Expanded customers won't be getting much new features so for them to charge $99 to upgrade would be steep. It makes more sense for them to just charge $49 since Expanded customers already paid $49. $99 for Producer customers would be ideal and consistent with the last 2 upgrade cycles. If they do charge more, it will be harder for them to make sales because the only thing going for X2 are enhancements and a few new features. http://www.digifreq.com/d...opic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6795
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 17:01:05
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Production Suite customers won't get a discount because X2 doesn't include Zeta 2.1, PC4K Expander Gate and the PC4K Compressor. It only includes Expanded features so the upgrade will most likely start at $49 for Expanded customers. Scott Garrigus on his DigiFreq blog mentioned that Expanded customers won't be getting much new features so for them to charge $99 to upgrade would be steep. It makes more sense for them to just charge $49 since Expanded customers already paid $49. $99 for Producer customers would be ideal and consistent with the last 2 upgrade cycles. If they do charge more, it will be harder for them to make sales because the only thing going for X2 are enhancements and a few new features. http://www.digifreq.com/d...opic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6795
Granted, but here's the thing.. Expanded is NOT considered a version...it's an EXTENSION of Producer. If you look at the Marketing.... X1 Essential X1 Studio X1 Producer X1 Production Suite Expanded is NOT a version by their own Marketing... It is merely an EXTENSION of Producer... Production Suite Currently IS a Version, which includes EXPANDED. Cheers!
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 17:19:26
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I was merely giving Expanded users the benefit of
the doubt...
And you can be GUARANTEED there WILL be difference in Price.
If you even read the X2 spread it states
Buy X1 Production Suite - GET X2 Producer FREE
Buy X1 Producer - Get X2 Producer FREE
Buy X1 Studio - Get X2 Studio FREE
Buy X1 Essential - Get X2 Essential Free
No mention of Expanded...
I just don't think they'll leave Expanded Users out in the cold..
I'm sure they will get an upgrade price..if just won't be the same...
One thing for sure...
I'm pretty confident the LOWEST price will be $99
and will go up from there..
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 17:57:27
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 18:08:34
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Re:Will X2 Include Expanded?
2012/08/15 18:21:41
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It is EVEN HIGHLY likely that Expanded may STILL be an Extension...
Hence the Marketing AND the the pricing would be accordingly...
They may just continue to use the existing Expanded base,
and just keep marketing the 3 Versions...
Which means that if you have producer...you will STILL have JUST Producer..
If you have Expanded you will STILL have Expanded
If you have Production Suite you will STILL have Production Suite
The playing field would THEN be completely level...
I really don't think they are incorporating Expanded INTO Producer...
NOTHING in the video says anything about incorporating Expanded into X2 Producer..
I'm not even sure where that notion came from...
I think X2 just BUILDS on the existing platform..
I stop framed through the video again and I see NOTHING that says Expanded is NOW
part of Producer. Nor is there ANYTHING on the X2 Pages that would indicate this.
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