Freddie H
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Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days? Example Console view background to darker grey?... I feel customizable user interface is important for me. Thanks in advance.
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/16 08:52:20
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I'd pay full price for a feature like that.
Heck, I'd pay now if Cakewalk would commit to doing it in X3.
Thanks for bringing it up.
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/16 08:52:51
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I feel customizable user interface is important for me. Thanks and I'm glad that you feel the same Mike. 
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/16 09:12:44
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Freddie H
Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
Example Console view background to darker grey?...
I feel customizable user interface is important for me.
Thanks in advance.
Uggh, I'm so with you Freddie! I just posted something in another thread where I mentioned how I will never forgive whoever was responsible for just pulling our colors from us and making the decision for us. That really bothers me. What else bothers me is the lack of customization especially in the tool bar. I really miss tempo tap being right there on my tool bar and miss that I can't add in tools that *I* want to see. I can't change a lot of stuff and when you work in a program as long as I do, to me it's like buying a car. I love Corvette's and have wanted to buy a new ZR1 for a few years now. However, what is stopping me is the colors they have available for it. I can't see buying a car that I'm not happy with color wise and I feel the same about Sonar. I'm trying to let them get through the growing pains part with the X series before I allow it to alter whether I use it or not, but honest when I tell you, this color thing and lack of customizing really put a bad taste in my mouth. Thank God for guys like Panu that will hopefully bail us out with X2. I don't know anything about X2 other than what I've seen in the vid and read. It doesn't look like there are any color changes as the console view looks the same. I would think if they had those changes we would have seen a few different console color looks as well as them mentioning "and colors have now returned in X2!" If that is indeed the case, let's hope our buddy Panu can bail us out once again. -Danny
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/16 09:36:42
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It's been my observation that organizations that have bad ideas and make bad decisions are sluggish to acknowledge the bad decision and then make the effort to execute a good idea.
I think it's even harder for an organization, that dismisses an opportunity to execute a good idea, to execute the 2 good ideas necessary to patch up a bad situation than it is for an organization that knows how to avoid bad ideas all together.
It's a lot to expect of an organization that isn't focused on the core of its product and service.
I'm hoping the lure of rent-money will get a decision maker at Roland to acknowledge that it's worth going through the painful process of executing the 2 necessary good ideas to restore the GUI customization we learned to appreciate before SONAR X lost the functionality.
1) admit that removing full color customization was a blunder.
2) provide official support for full color customization in a fresh upgrade.
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/16 10:11:08
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Amen to all above. Dark backgrounds have been the norm for Adobe products for awhile now. I never liked the "Civil War" blue and gray color scheme, I prefer, for example, a "now time" that looks lit up instead of the 1st gen palm pilot look. I think a different color scheme with the ability to change it would make it look more like a brand new version rather than a major update to X1. Of course they had my $99.00 bucks on day one, how bout I throw them an extra 20 for colors too!
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/16 11:01:50
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I would happily chip in for panus upgrade :)
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/16 21:45:45
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I was also unhappy with the lack of color customization. In fact, I could not even use X1 until Panup made the mods giving us colors or, in my case, lack thereof. I prefer a black background with white fonts.
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2012/09/16 21:49:50
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They best have colors customizable !!!!!
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/16 21:56:06
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NOPE. They said on the Webinar that there won't be any changes to the GUI. Cakewalk bought into this Skylight interface which is not scalable or customizable. Its unfortunate because if you look at the ProTools console, its so much better. We have high definition displays now and yet the software doesn't take advantage of it. Yet Panup, who doesn't even work for Cakewalk or have source code for Sonar, was able to make it look better with his add-on. Cakewalk just doesn't get it. Maybe that's why they have a new CEO. I was tempted to switch to PT, but I didn't want to have to start over with a new DAW, but I may change my mind eventually if Cakewalk doesn't get with it. Also Sonar has been crashing a lot on me when exporting audio files and that too is getting old fast. Sure it sends a note to the engineers, but you don't think anyone actually will respond with the cause of the problem, do you? Fortunately, I don't run a pro studio with real customers or I would be screaming. I've been a big supporter of Cakewalk for many years, but I expect more for my money. Edit: Corrected name reference and a few other changes. Sorry...
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/16 22:20:19
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Yet Bapu, who doesn't even work for Cakewalk or have source code for Sonar, was able to make it look better with his add-on. Cakewalk just doesn't get it. Don't you mean Panup?
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/16 22:23:19
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John
Yet Bapu, who doesn't even work for Cakewalk or have source code for Sonar, was able to make it look better with his add-on. Cakewalk just doesn't get it.
Don't you mean Panup?
Yes......it for sure wasn't Bapu ....that is so not his style ....
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/17 09:37:24
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daveny5
NOPE. They said on the Webinar that there won't be any changes to the GUI.
Cakewalk bought into this stupid Skylight crap which is not scalable or customizable.
+1 to that. I don't know if I'd phrase it this strongly: I definitely see the APPEAL of Skylight to SOME users, but I'm not currently one of those users and probably won't be anytime in the near future. I'm likely going to upgrade to X2 Producer. EVENTUALLY. Some of the new features look very handy, particularly the improved Now Time functionality and Smart Snap. I literally have wanted Automation Modes since I first started using Sonar 6 years ago: it was ALWAYS a sacrifice for the other features I felt it did well. I'm eager to find out as much as I can about X2, and from what I've seen I'm gonna hold off on the purchase until either (a) I'm sure the cool new stuff fits into my workflow (got burned on this with Pro Channel in X1) or (b) they make the deal more appealing. Is the upgrade worth $99 to me? Probably, but not for a pre-order when there's bound to be bugs, and throwing in the Strings package (which I will likely NEVER use) doesn't make up for that to me in terms of pre-sale value. What I think is especially frustrating about Skylight is that it looks VERY similar to other existing DAW programs. I first saw the "track view over mix view" style on Reaper YEARS before X1 came out, and have also seen it (with other distinct similarities to Skylight) on Logic and Studio One. All three came out PRIOR to X1. If consumers liked it, I don't blame the bakers for implementing a successful feature like that, but focusing SO heavily on how it's "brand new from the ground up" just makes it look like you're playing a game of Follow the Leader. Particularly when the nuts & bolts of the program aren't radically different to the end user (e.g., the driver interfacing and Friendly Names seem EXACTLY the same, and I'm still right at home in the Preferences Window, even if it's laid out a little differently).
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/17 09:46:23
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It's been my observation that organizations that have bad ideas and make bad decisions are sluggish to acknowledge the bad decision and then make the effort to execute a good idea. I have to agree with this observation as well Mike. I like the way PT handles colors. Not sure if it's a closet full of wires for the programmers to sort through, but I think it's a no-brainer for Cakewalk to offer us colors to target our work areas faster. BTW - I've feature requested this as I'm sure others have as well over the past 12 months.
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/17 10:48:00
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Custom colors / the GUI is one of the sore spots for me on X1/2.
Skylight seems to be just a clever marketing name for nothing much new. Maybe there is some new framework under it, but they are still using bitmaps to draw the GUI. The browser, inspector, dock, etc. were all advertised as if they were brand new - but each was there before X1 - they have just been updated in X1/2. The old smart tool for MIDI was as also good as the new one plus you could customize it.
All I see in Skylight is a name and a cleaner (forced) look, some wasted space, etc. At the very least, Cakewalk could have removed the entries in color customization that no longer worked from 8.5 to X1. They could easily have left custom menus alone - its not like the average user was bothered by something they never knew was there.
I'm impressed that they have taken more time on this release and seem to have worked on a couple areas that were badly implemented in X1 - but they seem to be only able to chip away at things slowly. I am actually surprised that after two years they didn't have time to address color customization. It may be several versions before I upgrade again. 8.5.3 with custom colors and menus is still more streamlined than X1/2 can hope to be, and I seem to do just fine without the few new additions such as screensets, drag/drop browser, etc. I'm hoping X3 onward will start to become a mature product and Cakewalk will start to release features only when they are well thought through and stable (including the GUI).
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/17 11:33:57
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.....At the very least, Cakewalk could have removed the entries in color customization that no longer worked from 8.5 to X1.
+1 I like the X1/X2 GUI a lot, but they should bring back the custom options.
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/17 11:51:16
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Man I sure agree with you guys who miss the freedom to customize colors and other things about your workspace! I just installed the X1 (I've owned it a long time- but stickin' with 8.5, though!)- it's horribly illegible and ugly/drab. You can't READ the little tiny font with barely any contrast against various medium shades of gray.
The nice crisp white font and dark navy blue background that I have in 8.5 is SO much easier to see from across the control room! May not be everyone's cup of tea, but, at least it's nicer to have a CHOICE!
Whoever is the gray color-Nazi who designed and forced us to use their undecipherable GUI better not try getting a job at the Florist! Ha! Just kidding... still- I hate the drab, pale, murky GRAY. Yuck.
Big step backwards to remove color choice from customers.
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/17 11:57:41
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It is interesting that ever since X1 so many of the active forum members have so vocally complained about losing color customization and so ardently asked to have it back and still...it ain't happenin. I'd just like to know definitively from a Baker who knows why on earth this useful feature had to be removed and why it cannot be brought back. Would it be that much of a programing challenge? Because it seems it is definitely a sore point with many long time users.
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/17 11:59:33
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I like the look of X1 over 8.53 by a mile or two. But, I want to be able to group sections of tracks and markers with colors. PT has the right idea around workflow on this one!
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/17 13:11:54
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My uneducated guess would be X1 uses a large amount of "place holder" type graphics in it's GUI
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/17 13:21:34
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It would be nice to hear the reason why from cakewalk on this forum.
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/17 13:24:21
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To be a dissenting voice: I think the colors are neutral, subdued, and totally acceptable. It has never crossed my mind to change the color palette and I generally like tweaking those sorts of things.
I'm curious - do any of the large-format console manufacturers offer custom color options?
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/17 13:34:37
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hey BCnSTL-
not really... but car companies do!
My vintage Amek console is gray... and I love it anyway. But he's not on TV! Don't ya think that film and video Colorists have good paying work in Hollywood for a reason?
There's a place for color choice. For me, it's mostly about legibility in the control room from a distance. And various shades of gray are not the easiest to see through for exact definition. It's cloudy, and lacks contrast. Just me- wouldn't want to force it on you for anything.
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/17 13:49:04
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To be a dissenting voice: I think the colors are neutral, subdued, and totally acceptable. It has never crossed my mind to change the color palette and I generally like tweaking those sorts of things.
I'm curious - do any of the large-format console manufacturers offer custom color options?
There are significant studies that show a color scheme smilar to that on X1 provides the least eyestrain for use over extended periods... so in that respect cake did a great job.. if folks want color choices fine.. but i can also respect cakes decision not to implement it if a) they think it dilutes a brand recognition or b) its a lot of time and effort vs adding features or c) its a low priority vs other user requests..
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/17 13:54:36
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I actually prefer the overall look of X1 over 8.5. But I also realise that color is completely subjective, so here's to slowly bringing back some customization! And if I had a choice, at the top of my list would definitely be this: I want to be able to group sections of tracks and markers with colors. PT has the right idea around workflow on this one!
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/17 13:55:46
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To be a dissenting voice: I think the colors are neutral, subdued, and totally acceptable.
I agree. I like X1's color scheme and I think it's a huge improvement over previous versions, although I still prefer PT's. That said, I'm all for custom colors for those who want/need it.
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/17 15:08:10
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I want to be able to group sections of tracks and markers with colors. PT has the right idea around workflow on this one!
+1 on that!
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/17 16:02:19
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There are significant studies that show a color scheme smilar to that on X1 provides the least eyestrain for use over extended periods... so in that respect cake did a great job..
if folks want color choices fine.. but i can also respect cakes decision not to implement it if a) they think it dilutes a brand recognition or b) its a lot of time and effort vs adding features or c) its a low priority vs other user requests..
Your joking right? X1 was totally unusable until Panup made mods to change the colors. All the grey did was give me a huge migrane. I don't know about you but I don't like to stare at a light. To the other point, It can't be that hard to offer color options if Panup made those mods making so I can even use X1. We need colors back! Plain and simple.
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Re:Will be able to change all the colors with X2 like in the old days?
2012/09/17 16:08:06
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PT much better colour custom. I love grouping console track colours. Even softsynth tracks in X1 are very poorly displayed. Almost cheap.
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It is interesting that ever since X1 so many of the active forum members have so vocally complained about losing color customization and so ardently asked to have it back and still...it ain't happenin. I'd just like to know definitively from a Baker who knows why on earth this useful feature had to be removed and why it cannot be brought back. Would it be that much of a programing challenge? Because it seems it is definitely a sore point with many long time users.
+1000. And the fact that Panu's mods work seems to indicate that color customization can be done in the X1 and presumably X2 products. So the fact that Cakewalk apparently hasn't returned the color customiation options is not only a mystery, but one that is unintelligible. Well said yoropal!
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