Keni

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

I'm not saying I prefer it or that anyone does, I'm explaining the rationale as to why it happens. And it doesn't happen in every and all cases. As I said before, de-select all clips in the TV, then click on a track, and open the PRV via the menu or key-binding. This will open the PRV without having the notes selected because no clips were selected in the process.

Hi Seth...

If this be the case... then why does it still select all the notes if I click on the upper half of a clip which does NOT select the clip?

Keni

But it doesn't, unless you double click the upper half which selects the clip and therefore selects the notes in it, and if set to do so also opens the PRV. Double  clicking in the top half of an audio clip also selects it, it's consistent behaviour.

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

Keni

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

I'm not saying I prefer it or that anyone does, I'm explaining the rationale as to why it happens. And it doesn't happen in every and all cases. As I said before, de-select all clips in the TV, then click on a track, and open the PRV via the menu or key-binding. This will open the PRV without having the notes selected because no clips were selected in the process.

Hi Seth...

If this be the case... then why does it still select all the notes if I click on the upper half of a clip which does NOT select the clip?

Keni

Keni,


I just tried it right now, and double clicking in the top half of the clip selects the clip and opens that track in the PRV, which is why the notes are selected in the PRV.


SP

Hi Seth...

Yes... That is the case and I'm pointing out that there's an inconsistency there too... I'm sure you already know that I do not like the new select/locate behavior (top/bottom clip differences), and here I can't get that to work in my favor either.... No matter what I do this stuff gets in my way... At least if it's gonna have a dual personality, it should remain consistent .... or see a psychiatrist! ;-)

Keni

OK...I think I've had a Eureka moment.

If I either select the track by clicking somewhere in the track header OR clicking in the upper left corner and turning it black...and then hitting Alt-3  I get the PRV and the notes.  I now am going to try and do a custom keybinding instead of Alt-3.  And if that works then I've either learned something and/or beaten the bastard.  Either way it ain't gonna beat me.

Keni

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

Keni

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

I'm not saying I prefer it or that anyone does, I'm explaining the rationale as to why it happens. And it doesn't happen in every and all cases. As I said before, de-select all clips in the TV, then click on a track, and open the PRV via the menu or key-binding. This will open the PRV without having the notes selected because no clips were selected in the process.

Hi Seth...

If this be the case... then why does it still select all the notes if I click on the upper half of a clip which does NOT select the clip?

Keni

Keni,


I just tried it right now, and double clicking in the top half of the clip selects the clip and opens that track in the PRV, which is why the notes are selected in the PRV.


SP

Hi Seth...

Yes... That is the case and I'm pointing out that there's an inconsistency there too... I'm sure you already know that I do not like the new select/locate behavior (top/bottom clip differences), and here I can't get that to work in my favor either.... No matter what I do this stuff gets in my way... At least if it's gonna have a dual personality, it should remain consistent .... or see a psychiatrist! ;-)

Keni

Sorry, Keni, I don't see the inconsistency there. Why don't you like the top-half range select with the Smart Tool? It used to be Alt + Click would range select, but now its just right there.


SP

Sorry ol pal, I, as usual, spoke too soon.  I just went back and checked in a larger project and my above new method still doesn't work reliably at all.  About two thirds of the time when I highlight a track via just clicking in its track header OR clicking in the upper left corner and actually selecting it and then hitting 4 does it take me to the right track in the PRV  two out of three times it takes me back to the last track I had showing in the PRV.  The ONLY reliable way for me to get the correct track to show in the PRV seemingly every time is to double click the bottom half of the track.  This DOES take me to the correct track in the PRV and USUALLY shows me the notes as well but DOES have all notes selected.  Damn.
 
Does no one else have these crazy issues with PRV??

--Well, since the PRV is Ground Zero for MIDI editing, I don't know why anyone wouldn't always have the PRV at-the-ready as part, or as the majority part of the screen.  It's much easier to use the PRV's menu to call up the tracks you want to see and work with, one at a time, or as many at a time as you want.  No need to keep shuffling through the TV to find the track you want to edit.  All this clicking a track to open the PRV which should always be open anyway seems like a convoluted way to get there.  Why use the back door when the front door is right there?

Seth sed, "...As a side note, I prefer to see my CC data in lanes in the PRV. If you do as well, go to the Notes menu in the PRV and de-select Show Velocities. Then go to the View menu in the PRV and select Show/ Hide Controller Pane. I just find it much tidier to see and edit my CC data in lanes instead of having them superimposed over notes.."

Definitely!  I remember how surprised I was that there was even the option to have everything jumbled up on top of everything else - First time I saw that in someone's screen shot, I thought there was something garbled in his program.  I Gotta have those controller panes visible.  But I don't turn off the Velocity pane - I always keep that as the top lane, needing to get at the velocity values for quick adjustments.  I just keep adding panes under as needed - CC11, AfterTouch, CC1 etc.

Randy B.

yorolpal


I've made a new keybinding "Alt-c" which is easy to type and...at least for now...seems to working hot straight and normal.  And by that I mean that the notes in the PRV usually show.  That's the really weird thing is that sometimes when I enter the PRV into a measure and a track that there are definitely notes present only the velocity lines are showing...no notes...

Are you sure that when you see velocity values but no notes, that you don't just need to scroll up or down in the PRV window?  Often, depending on what octave a clip is recorded in, the notes will be above or below the default view - you need to use the scroll bar to get to the right octave.

If that's not the cause, then there has to be something wrong with your video card, or with Something on your system.  Velocity values displayed without notes is pretty much otherwise impossible - !

Randy B.

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

Keni

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

Keni

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

I'm not saying I prefer it or that anyone does, I'm explaining the rationale as to why it happens. And it doesn't happen in every and all cases. As I said before, de-select all clips in the TV, then click on a track, and open the PRV via the menu or key-binding. This will open the PRV without having the notes selected because no clips were selected in the process.

Hi Seth...

If this be the case... then why does it still select all the notes if I click on the upper half of a clip which does NOT select the clip?

Keni

Keni,


I just tried it right now, and double clicking in the top half of the clip selects the clip and opens that track in the PRV, which is why the notes are selected in the PRV.


SP

Hi Seth...

Yes... That is the case and I'm pointing out that there's an inconsistency there too... I'm sure you already know that I do not like the new select/locate behavior (top/bottom clip differences), and here I can't get that to work in my favor either.... No matter what I do this stuff gets in my way... At least if it's gonna have a dual personality, it should remain consistent .... or see a psychiatrist! ;-)

Keni

Sorry, Keni, I don't see the inconsistency there. Why don't you like the top-half range select with the Smart Tool? It used to be Alt + Click would range select, but now its just right there.


SP

Hi Seth...

the inconsistency is that it does not select the clip when clicking on the top half (which I miss), yet it does select it if I dbl-click to open the prv (which I dislike as it selects all notes...)... At least if it's gonna not select with the top portion, it should allow the opening of prv without all notes being selected and hence offer a choice. I so rarely want all notes selected when opening prv that I could probably say I 'never' do this...

Why don't I like the upper/lower behavior? I used to be able to locate and select with a single click. Now I'm forced to click twice everytime ... PITA for me... As to the "feature" of the upper/lower behavior? I do not use the click-drag in TV to highlight areas for operation as I find it too "loose" for me... I have not found a use for it at all, so for me it makes for more "missed" clicks where I Haven't clicked on the appropriate clip portion... Other than the need to locate, I never need the upper portion... and then I'm forced back to the lower portion to click a second time such as setting a point I wish to cut a clip at... Two clicks everytime... Over and over all day... I'm miserable with this!

Keni

I have to say I'm coming around to L Household's point of view (yes, even after my rant a page or so ago) - I've been using both PRV and the staff view a bunch today in concert with one another, and a) I'm gradually getting used to the kneejerk click-to-deselect behaviour when cracking open the PRV, and b) I am actually finding it kind of useful in some circumstances to be able to select the notes in a clip on open. Huh. 

Good point. Yeah, I haven't quite gotten into the habit of leaving them both open in the Multidock and switching on the fly; I kind of still like popping the PRV open (floating, not docked) when I need it, for the track I need it on, by double-clicking a clip - and then closing it when I'm done. Probably this process could be streamlined. 
  Also... today I've had a few tracks open in Staff but I also tend to only like one thing open in PRV at a time. I should probably get used to working on multiple tracks in PRV as well, as it seems like a powerful way of working.