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Will music one day be free ?
Hi, I had an experience last week that I'd like to share.I'd be interested in hearing other opinions on this one. I live in Paris,and as you may or may not know,there is absolutely no space here.People life on top of each other !! What a lot of musicians do to avoid getting on their neighbours nerves is go and play in parcs,open spaces etc. I started going to a place recentley,and it seems a friendly enough crowd.All the people are about 17 to 20....so quite young (I'm 30).All going great until last week I arrived and was the ONLY one with a guitar.There were about four or five rappers (don't mess with these suburban guys lol),and a couple of people who played guitar normally. Things started to kick of later in the night because basically one lad just refused to give the guitar back. I fancied jamming with the rappers,and u know just chilling back with the guitar.He became angry and said 'music is free - free for everybody'. After refraining the rappers from removing his delicates (they are like I said -nuts), I did get the guitar back. The thing is I sensed he was being absolutely sincere when he said music should be free....he was disgusted when I suggested he should buy his own guitar,and play at his own expense. I know this generation is differant from mine,in the sense that now,yes ofcourse you don't have to pay for music,you can download it -and in that sense it is free.Without sounding like a moaning old fart...how can you really appreciate the value of something like music,without working for it...wiithout paying for it ?. How can you convince someone who has never paid for music in his life,that actually there are benficts for going out and buying the CD (Artist,Label etc).It was a bit of a shock for me,and this is the first time I've really experienced this attitude. If this is becoming the norm....what will happen to music ? Will it become free ? Do people care ? Will they just ultimately do whats best in their own self interests (Eg not spending money !) Kev
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/27 18:05:48
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if the music will be good then people will buy it, but if the music will be a loudness competition, no one will buy it eventually. however I seen few artists (known artists) that let people download the album from their website in Wav format...
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/27 19:52:10
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2015/12/10 21:31:17
Good point, and I agree.
Do people appreciate something of value they haven't earned, or perhaps they've been given? Not in my experience.
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/27 20:59:21
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Well, there's free and there's taking without paying for. They aren't the same thing, but they mean the same thing for the person trying to make a living at it. I think that it will be free in the latter sense, that no one will pay for it because they don't have to. At which point music as a career will be purely a live performance thing, which means that a lot of people who would otherwise make music won't do it anymore. We will reap the wages of sin basically.
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/27 21:30:40
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Kev,
it's called Inner city life (as in the goldie song.hehe) . people are stink (as in more aggravation) in big cities (I've lived in London all my life) , you just have to be a bit street wise and being packed in like sardines don't help.Although these days I go out of London for part of the year, I think it actually keeps me sane hehe. Like say a friend of mine will go on a train,but there is a certain part of the journey that is a known bad area for muggings, so he don't have anything on him like e.g. ipod etc. anything that attracts attention.. Much as a drive a ****box car , even then some **** keyed it a few weeks back.
When you and me grew up (I'm 4 years older) life was very different, e.g. no internet and the pace of life itself was slower and people didn't have to have the latest thing, just because.
so yep the younger people now are getting a very different message, how kids are growing up now is different. E.g. if I did something wrong at that age I'd have got my a** kicked by my dad.. kids don't fear that now.. and know the laws better than what they should be learning in school (that is sad in itself).
Everyone is suing over nonsense now also.. you can't say x-y-z without offending someone etc. and numerous other things.
it's a bit like hhm say someone 60+.. they say.. in my day we could leave the doors open.. YES.. because there was nothing worth stealing .. or "the youth of today".. yet I see as many rude older people.. it's the people themselves, not anything to do with age.
As for the music being free, well maybe they see others just "take" and that to them is normal. A friend releases his work sometimes, but ONLY if you knew the group , or were a big fan would you know about the freebies.
Music is to be enjoyed, but there is bills to pay also. Most people do it as a passion and well it's a tricky one. I find it laughable when certain artists DON'T clear samples (who can well afford to) and profit BIG time off others talents, yet they are the ones who will moan if "their supposed" work is downloaded and not paid for. sampling a few seconds fair enough, but what amounts to blatant plagiarism is a world of difference.
the better angle is, a bit like how cake have done with the trust thing.. people will say.. ya know what.. I like it, I'll buy it.. if you can get people onboard from that angle it's good. Although not everyone will be like that.
some people have a frame of mind and well there isn't a lot anyone can do about it, so it's their problem.
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/27 21:34:38
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Music might be "free" but the guitar isn't.....plain & simple. It belongs to you since you layed out the cash for it. The punk had no business trying to take it claiming it was "free"..... lucky he didn't get his "freeloading" butt handed to him.
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/28 03:50:43
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☄ Helpfulby robert_e_bone 2015/12/17 22:27:43
The guitar was never yours to begin with. You were just borrowing it from the universe. 
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/28 06:50:05
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ORIGINAL: DreamzCatcher
if the music will be good then people will buy it, but if the music will be a loudness competition, no one will buy it eventually.
If the money is taken out of the equation,so too are the studios,session players,producers,engineers etc.Its a bit of a circle....as less people buy,the quality of the music is going to drop.As the quality of the music drops,so too are the people going to buy.It goes on  I've opened a real can of worms here....whoops 
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/28 06:55:11
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Well, there's free and there's taking without paying for. They aren't the same thing, but they mean the same thing for the person trying to make a living at it. I think that it will be free in the latter sense, that no one will pay for it because they don't have to. At which point music as a career will be purely a live performance thing, which means that a lot of people who would otherwise make music won't do it anymore. We will reap the wages of sin basically.
Bugger I think I'm giving you folks my depression.Next thread will be lighter I promise !!! I agree though,I think the trend that will appear at the end of it is more live music.Which in itself,probably wouldn't be such a bad thing. Kev K
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/28 07:12:57
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Kev,
it's called Inner city life (as in the goldie song.hehe) . people are stink (as in more aggravation) in big cities (I've lived in London all my life) , you just have to be a bit street wise and being packed in like sardines don't help.Although these days I go out of London for part of the year, I think it actually keeps me sane hehe. Like say a friend of mine will go on a train,but there is a certain part of the journey that is a known bad area for muggings, so he don't have anything on him like e.g. ipod etc. anything that attracts attention.. Much as a drive a ****box car , even then some **** keyed it a few weeks back.
When you and me grew up (I'm 4 years older) life was very different, e.g. no internet and the pace of life itself was slower and people didn't have to have the latest thing, just because.
so yep the younger people now are getting a very different message, how kids are growing up now is different. E.g. if I did something wrong at that age I'd have got my a** kicked by my dad.. kids don't fear that now.. and know the laws better than what they should be learning in school (that is sad in itself).
Everyone is suing over nonsense now also.. you can't say x-y-z without offending someone etc. and numerous other things.
it's a bit like hhm say someone 60+.. they say.. in my day we could leave the doors open.. YES.. because there was nothing worth stealing .. or "the youth of today".. yet I see as many rude older people.. it's the people themselves, not anything to do with age.
As for the music being free, well maybe they see others just "take" and that to them is normal. A friend releases his work sometimes, but ONLY if you knew the group , or were a big fan would you know about the freebies.
Music is to be enjoyed, but there is bills to pay also. Most people do it as a passion and well it's a tricky one. I find it laughable when certain artists DON'T clear samples (who can well afford to) and profit BIG time off others talents, yet they are the ones who will moan if "their supposed" work is downloaded and not paid for. sampling a few seconds fair enough, but what amounts to blatant plagiarism is a world of difference.
the better angle is, a bit like how cake have done with the trust thing.. people will say.. ya know what.. I like it, I'll buy it.. if you can get people onboard from that angle it's good. Although not everyone will be like that.
some people have a frame of mind and well there isn't a lot anyone can do about it, so it's their problem.
Hi Fog Yeah you're right,a lot of it probably is to do with the city vibe.So you're in London huh ? I guess its similiar in a lot of ways....I'm taking a holiday in three weeks...can't wait to escape lol ! From what I've heard in the UK,values do seem to be spinning downwards.Maybe we're seeing the backlash and consequences of the 80s get rich quick schemie thinking ? Scarey how this **** can evolve and spread.Don't want to make this an utter doom and gloom thread though...theres always going be people on the level and people who aren't...I guess thats just human nature huh.But for sure I think economics and the system is playing a huge card on how people interact. Fog maybe all these signs indicate that something is wrong,and has to change ? Kev
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
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The punk had no business trying to take it claiming it was "free"..... lucky he didn't get his "freeloading" butt handed to him.
haha !!
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/28 08:53:32
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Fog maybe all these signs indicate that something is wrong,and has to change ?
Kev
PLENTY of things are wrong, but that would take 15+ pages for me to write that all down. Same with other places in the world , they all have their issues. Since your in France, well my issue is that UK , a lot of it our power comes from France. "British" Gas is owned by the French etc. the state sold off national industries to get big money when they should have kept them. The biggest thing of late is the stupid amount of knife crime here. I mean I email one of the bakers from time to time, and when they are saying "keep safe" and the news has got to Boston, well that's a worry. Not exactly a great advert for tourism. Although from what was said, it wasn't reported 100% correctly. Outside London is an odd one, I mean 30 miles up the road and you would think you were in a totally different country. Same as other place really. I work on my music much more, while I'm in London it's sketches mainly and then I'll do the rest outside London and not have to worry about giving neighbours too much noise etc.
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/28 09:31:23
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OT: knife crime? Ouch I never thought of that. I was in London a few years ago, middle of the night walking through the nasty side of Kings Cross. But I kept thinking "haha nobody has any guns here. It's safe as disneyland" Anyway, that's one wacky story kev. Kids today! Maybe you should grab his ipod and run around yelling "music is free!"  Like gh said, even if music is free... guitars, electronics, wood, labor AINT. Punk needs to get a job and figure out how the world works. On the subject of free downloads, I'm really torn on this. I make a few bucks off gigs, session work & such. But when it comes to my own compositions I always give it away for free. I do this because my primary purpose is to communicate ideas, so I want to reach as many souls as possible. The internet has been a great boost for this. In the old days I had to front a month's paycheck for cassette duplication (yeah 'cassettes' lol. At least I didn't say 8-track) before I could share my ideas with the world. Now, it's as easy as clickety-click, and suddenly thousands of people are listening. So for my purposes, I wouldn't mind if music were free. But I also see what you're saying... if music were totally free, it would lose its value. It would become disposable & forgettable. And that's where I'm torn. Should I charge a few bucks for my music just so that people will appreciate it more? I really don't know. Interesting topic!
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/28 11:59:44
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Kev,
it's called Inner city life (as in the goldie song.hehe) . people are stink (as in more aggravation) in big cities (I've lived in London all my life) , you just have to be a bit street wise and being packed in like sardines don't help.Although these days I go out of London for part of the year, I think it actually keeps me sane hehe. Like say a friend of mine will go on a train,but there is a certain part of the journey that is a known bad area for muggings, so he don't have anything on him like e.g. ipod etc. anything that attracts attention.. Much as a drive a ****box car , even then some **** keyed it a few weeks back.
When you and me grew up (I'm 4 years older) life was very different, e.g. no internet and the pace of life itself was slower and people didn't have to have the latest thing, just because.
so yep the younger people now are getting a very different message, how kids are growing up now is different. E.g. if I did something wrong at that age I'd have got my a** kicked by my dad.. kids don't fear that now.. and know the laws better than what they should be learning in school (that is sad in itself).
Everyone is suing over nonsense now also.. you can't say x-y-z without offending someone etc. and numerous other things.
it's a bit like hhm say someone 60+.. they say.. in my day we could leave the doors open.. YES.. because there was nothing worth stealing .. or "the youth of today".. yet I see as many rude older people.. it's the people themselves, not anything to do with age.
As for the music being free, well maybe they see others just "take" and that to them is normal. A friend releases his work sometimes, but ONLY if you knew the group , or were a big fan would you know about the freebies.
Music is to be enjoyed, but there is bills to pay also. Most people do it as a passion and well it's a tricky one. I find it laughable when certain artists DON'T clear samples (who can well afford to) and profit BIG time off others talents, yet they are the ones who will moan if "their supposed" work is downloaded and not paid for. sampling a few seconds fair enough, but what amounts to blatant plagiarism is a world of difference.
the better angle is, a bit like how cake have done with the trust thing.. people will say.. ya know what.. I like it, I'll buy it.. if you can get people onboard from that angle it's good. Although not everyone will be like that.
some people have a frame of mind and well there isn't a lot anyone can do about it, so it's their problem.
Hi Fog
Yeah you're right,a lot of it probably is to do with the city vibe.So you're in London huh ? I guess its similiar in a lot of ways....I'm taking a holiday in three weeks...can't wait to escape lol !
From what I've heard in the UK,values do seem to be spinning downwards.Maybe we're seeing the backlash and consequences of the 80s get rich quick schemie thinking ? Scarey how this **** can evolve and spread.Don't want to make this an utter doom and gloom thread though...theres always going be people on the level and people who aren't...I guess thats just human nature huh.But for sure I think economics and the system is playing a huge card on how people interact.
Fog maybe all these signs indicate that something is wrong,and has to change ?
Kev
Nail hit squarely on head there Kev, IMHO. That's where it started, the stripping away of the working class in this country, the dismantling of the foundations of society. What we're left with is 3rd generation disaffected kids with overgrown adolescent parents sporting huge chips on their shoulders because they can't afford ' everything, all the time' Add to that the disappearance of 'proper' pubs and drinking establishments in town centres, replaced with theme bars which only cater for the under-25's - result? No peer respect + no role models + no age-based hierarchy = unconstrained binge-drinking & inevitable violence. Phew, sorry..rant over! 
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/28 12:13:20
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if the music will be good then people will buy it, but if the music will be a loudness competition, no one will buy it eventually.
however I seen few artists (known artists) that let people download the album from their website in Wav format...
That may be true but "good" will have to be defined before I agree with that statement. If rap is classified as music and you consider that "good music" then your statement is right for you. No doubt many people bought rap and I don't consider it good or music. No offense to rappers...just head on without me or my money. Many guitarist enrolled in schools to learn theory so they could persue a chance playing "shred" after Malmsteen, Joe and Steve...and found out after all their efforts that "grunge" was selling and shredders were history to the money man. They had to downplay to get action. Surely a demonstration that knowledge of nor the quality of recording has anything to do with good music or the qualifications of "marketing". Kurt was a money maker...music? It's a personal thing but I wouldn't consider him a guitarist or a vocalist but it sold. Just an example of talent nor quality sound meeting MY requirements of "good" music by musicians. Quality sound and knowledgeable musicians has been the least desired requirement for selling music since the birth of the "digital age" and some time before. Remember disco? The digital age has made it possible for anybody including people that know absolutely nothing about playing a musical instrument to "make" "music". And since the listeners lack of interest for knowledgable musicians recording and distributing quality recordings it has degraded the business in whole. To the point where one of the finest groups of excellent musicians with excellent recording productions to resort to Wal-Mart marketing. (The Eagles) Speaking for myself, being a member of AARP I don't really care what happens to music because I have lived through and experienced what I believe to be the best times music has had and will have to offer. As far as making money with music there will always be somebody that knows how to extract money from people including for music. As far as musicians making money - Define musician. I don't know anymore. It use to be someone that played a musical instrument. Oh and that has changed too...define musical instrument. Music, equipment and musicians were sure easier to define not to long ago. And there will always be somebody that can sell ice cubes to Eskimo's. Michael
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2008/09/28 13:16:51
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when I say good music...I mean great music, music that make you feel something beyond the the notes, music is spiritual healing.
music tells you a lot about the world itself in all aspects...
we live in a world that there is no place for weak people, people run after things that they don't even know if they like, just because others do those things...people feel stressed all the time because of money/respect...no money = no respect = fail...
the same thing you can see (hear) in the music industry these days, people make music that they don't even like, because they want to sell, they compress the music so heavily even if it sounds like shi7 because others do the same...and so on..."if your music doesn't sound like others, then you probably suck..."
when the music will die, the world will go backward, lots of people will live in the woods, make campfire, smoke weed and play some tom toms and they will feel great...the good life.
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2008/09/28 13:28:58
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btw kev, it will be nice if you could write with more spaces between the lines (press enter from time to time).
English isn't my native language, it hurts my eyes to read it like that...no offense, this is my fault after all.
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/28 14:23:03
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OT: knife crime? Ouch I never thought of that. I was in London a few years ago, middle of the night walking through the nasty side of Kings Cross. But I kept thinking "haha nobody has any guns here. It's safe as disneyland"
rather you than me, it's a stones throw from the tourist area's to there, It's not a place to hang around esp late at night. Reason I know about it is someone I know that was their area when they were in the police.. It all comes under Camden, and there are rather some unsavoury people around where the market / lock are. Every major city is like that, just a bit if you don't have the local knowledge it's a different matter. Same as I remember Central Park used to be bad for crime until they cleaned it up.
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
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If music really were free, no one would be able to make a living at it. It would have to be a hobby, or an act of charity. Or are we just talking about recorded music, and not live performances? I've seen people on variouis message boards suggest that musicians should offer their music as free downloads, as a loss-leader, to get people interested -- then make all their money on tours and merchandising. Well, if you're touring all the time to pay off the costs of recording your album, when are you going to record? And a lot of musicians have fan bases that don't have many occasions to wear hoodies and black T-shirts. If music were free, maybe it would be "free" the same way broadcast TV in the States is free: You buy a TV, take it home, plug it in, add your antenna, and you can watch as much TV as you want. The only catch is that a third of every hour is devoted to advertising by huge companies trying to brainwash you into buying their consumer products. These same companies essentially have veto power over the content of any programming that their advertising revenue sponsors. If music worked like this, wouldn't everyone be a lot happier? 
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2008/09/28 15:54:47
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If music really were free, no one would be able to make a living at it. It would have to be a hobby, or an act of charity. Or are we just talking about recorded music, and not live performances? I've seen people on variouis message boards suggest that musicians should offer their music as free downloads, as a loss-leader, to get people interested -- then make all their money on tours and merchandising. Well, if you're touring all the time to pay off the costs of recording your album, when are you going to record? On the whole, I think that's the best business model. Sure you won't become a billionaire, but I know plenty of bands who make a nice living by playing out 2-3 times a month, giving them plenty of free time & money for the studio 3 months out of the year. I think the problem is that most pop stars cannot be happy with that. They want swimming pools, rolls royces and sprawling mansions to validate their "success". As an aside, I also believe the idea of getting rich off selling albums is a myth. I bet if we did the accounting, we'd find that very few (or no) musicians become millionaires by selling albums. That money gets snatched up by the record companies and klingons, leaving 10c on the dollar for the artist. The money really *is* in merchandising, touring, celebrity endorsements and so on. But being rich is not a prerequisite to being a good or prolific musician; in fact history shows us that the greatest artists were dirt poor. So I can't subscribe to the idea that money is necessary in this equation. I don't necessarily think that music should be handed out for free, but I think every musician should ask himself or herself, "If music were free, would I still do it?" That should weed out the counterfeits in a jiffy!
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when I say good music...I mean great music, music that make you feel something beyond the the notes, music is spiritual healing.
music tells you a lot about the world itself in all aspects...
we live in a world that there is no place for weak people, people run after things that they don't even know if they like, just because others do those things...people feel stressed all the time because of money/respect...no money = no respect = fail...
the same thing you can see (hear) in the music industry these days, people make music that they don't even like, because they want to sell, they compress the music so heavily even if it sounds like shi7 because others do the same...and so on..."if your music doesn't sound like others, then you probably suck..."
when the music will die, the world will go backward, lots of people will live in the woods, make campfire, smoke weed and play some tom toms and they will feel great...the good life.
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btw kev, it will be nice if you could write with more spaces between the lines (press enter from time to time).
English isn't my native language, it hurts my eyes to read it like that...no offense, this is my fault after all.
Please don't feel I'm trying to give you a hard time. I'm not. It's only that if I understand (not you native language) you right, I couldn't disagree more on most of what you say and here's why. The music market history tells a completely different story than yours. The market makes it's money from selling young people what they want to hear. The young spend their money and their parents money for music. Marketing fact. Young people could care less about quality or good. They simply like what is cool and hip for their time. Now that the music industry has completely changed with the introduction of easy recording access to the masses and easy ways to create music (what I previously mentioned about "anybody" can create) the "musician" has completely changed too. To the point I don't know how to define one. The way that people listen to music has completely changed. Why would a label waste time and money on quality when their marketing to kids and their parents that listen to low quality encoding? One reason only that I could guess...the artist demands it and is powerful enough to demand it. Anything that I can hear on my computer I can record. Why would I buy music? That is the question that technology has put in front of everybody. ( what does "download" have to do with it anyway? If I can hear it I can record it-no need to download.) The part I do agree with you is "people make music that they don't even like" which is exactly what I mean by "Just an example of talent nor quality sound meeting MY requirements of "good" music by musicians." And this "lots of people will live in the woods, make campfire, smoke weed and play some tom toms and they will feel great...the good life." Well that's happened before and surely will happen again. Might could happen tonight if I didn't have to go to work tomorrrow. Really don't what all that's about but I agree with it. Just my opinions and with them I can answer Kev. Yes, I believe there will always be a market for music -good or bad- no different from the past except it may not include musicians in the sense that I know. Quality and "musicians" will be defined by the selling strength that is usually directed at the young people. (where the money is) The music industry is in a transitional stage due to technology and what it all will become is anybody's guess. Presently, in my opinion quality and musicianship is at an all time low in the marketplace. I believe that will change and both will reach incredible levels. And Kev stop letting people you don't know play your guitar! lol Regards, Michael
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/28 16:07:01
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Well, even if Rolls and mansions aren't your thing, I doubt most folks would be able to put children through school and college, buy a decent though modest home and a car, and afford health insurance and so forth by just playing out a few times a month. And if millions of people are enjoying your work, then you damn well deserve the mansion. That's what the whole capitalist system is about. You put in the work to create the things that people enjoy or benefit from so that you can get the big payoff. It's that encouragement that drives innovation and creation. And I can steal what you create and not pay you, then why shouldn't you be able to steal what I make? We are creating a world where there's no respect for the work of others. That has far greater consequences for blowback than the more immediate issue even, though the immediate issue is no joke for people in the music business.
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/28 16:14:27
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Well, even if Rolls and mansions aren't your thing, I doubt most folks would be able to put children through school and college, buy a decent though modest home and a car, and afford health insurance and so forth by just playing out a few times a month. And if millions of people are enjoying your work, then you damn well deserve the mansion. That's what the whole capitalist system is about. You put in the work to create the things that people enjoy or benefit from so that you can get the big payoff. It's that encouragement that drives innovation and creation.
That's true, and I do have the highest respect for musicians who are good at the business side, too. Madonna. David Bowie. Michael Jackson. Uh, wait scratch that last one... Anyway, yah if a musician acheives international fame, then that musician deserves all the toys there are. I still think, though, the "billionaire celebrity pop musician" is a product of the post-1960s music industry. Coincidentally about the time when music started going downhill......
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/28 16:52:59
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I doubt that there are many billionaire pop musicians, unless they invested their money wisely in things other than their music. But clearly money isn't the important factor. I mean it's not like Led Zepplin or The Beatles didn't make a lot of money. The more likely scenario is that you've just gotten old, and you have the same attitude about today's music as your parents had about yours.
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/28 16:54:34
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The music market history tells a completely different story than yours.
The market makes it's money from selling young people what they want to hear. The young spend their money and their parents money for music. Marketing fact.
Young people could care less about quality or good. They simply like what is cool and hip for their time.
Regards,
Michael
the problem is with the artists, not with the listeners... there are too much INNOCENT newcomers artists (wannabes) that ask themself "why does my music sound lower than the professionals" something must be wrong with my production...("See the grass is greener on the other side of the fence") imagine how much artists and labels fall in to this... If so much people do the same mistake, it becomes a new stardard and lots of other people follow it whether you like it or not, you can see it all over the web and hear it all over the music genres.
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/28 17:14:01
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ORIGINAL: DreamzCatcher
ORIGINAL: spacey
The music market history tells a completely different story than yours.
The market makes it's money from selling young people what they want to hear. The young spend their money and their parents money for music. Marketing fact.
Young people could care less about quality or good. They simply like what is cool and hip for their time.
Regards,
Michael
the problem is with the artists, not with the listeners...
there are too much INNOCENT newcomers artists (wannabes) that ask themself "why does my music sound lower than the professionals" something must be wrong with my production...("See the grass is greener on the other side of the fence")
imagine how much artists and labels fall in to this...
If so much people do the same mistake, it becomes a new stardard and lots of other people follow it whether you like it or not, you can see it all over the web and hear it all over the music genres.
Now I know it's not language issue for me wondering if I understood you right. I understand you completely and couldn't disagree more and will leave it at that. Regards, Michael
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/28 17:41:05
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ORIGINAL: DreamzCatcher
btw kev, it will be nice if you could write with more spaces between the lines (press enter from time to time).
English isn't my native language, it hurts my eyes to read it like that...no offense, this is my fault after all.
Whoops
sorry
Kev
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/28 17:44:00
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wow sorry this thread has become a bit depressing ! I'll send you all some positive karma on me next post OMMMMMMMMMM
Kev (not been smoking)
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RE: Will music one day be free ?
2008/09/28 17:48:02
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Music is love (best that I can tell).
Love costs a bit from the artist and maybe a little from the target of love.
But love is a free gift? Freely given to you and I, from 'another source'. We might be free to give freely to others ... or not to go for filthy lucre.
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