Will the Piano Roll Ever be Easy to use?

I think if you will watch a couple of youtube videos on PRV, or even just set aside some time to just play with the PRV (while having the Sonar PDF manual open) you will love it once you get the jest of how it works.
 
I know it took me a while to get the grasp on how the different tools works...and I know I probably still have a lot to learn yet...but I love editing with the PRV now.  Just don't get frustrated and give up on it.  It's worth the effort to learn for sure.

I love PRV view. It is one of the most important for a midi/softsynth musician. I have heard from others in this forum that Sonar PRV view is among the best compared to other DAW. (Sorry I am bias.)  Invest some time to learn from the manual and video. You will be rewarded. Be sure to learn the smart tool too! It will enhance your workflow eventually.  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W80Ngd-id_Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv_fFgKHIfk

I've tried the Pro Tools and the Reaper piano roll views and Sonar's is far easier and more intuitive. You just need to sit down and learn the basics.

I preferred the tool modifiers in 8 for PRV over tools in the X series.  That was way easier and user friendly than what we have now.  As for my preference/work flow, the Smart tool (and Tools module/HUD) sucks.
 
Don't bother saying I don't know how it works or it's just me, etc.  It doesn't work for my methods/preferences like SONAR 8.  Plain and simple.

super simple. watch a few vid's youll pick it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAnAPR6-hQ

triscuit
I keep upgrading hoping the piano roll will be easy to use. It never seems to get easier. It seems like they made it even more frustrating in X2. Seems like easy piano roll editing died when they stopped supporting Project 5. Any ideas on getting a grasp on the piano roll? Any videos that help you get a grasp on the tools? I'm pretty frustrated just trying to get in a simple chord progression. I can't seem to get a proper grid. annoying. I just want an easy grid that I can drop notes in and not have to change cursors and it's easy to change the quantize setting. The editing in X2 seems even worse than sonar 8 and it was pitiful in sonar 8.

The Piano Roll is one of my most used editing tools to enhance (read fix my mistakes) my MIDI tracks. After you use it for awhile the tools become second nature. Selecting note resolution (grid) is easily setup in PT.

Walt

I went from Sonar 5 to X1 and the jump was difficult at first. Then, I learned to use the ALT key. Pretty much back to where I was speed-wise with Sonar 5. I only rarely come up against "how do I..." stuff anymore.
 
Regards,
Dan
 

I love the right-click lasso selecting. I even mistakenly do it in another daw I use. :)

PilotGav

John
The OP has been on the forum since 2004 and still hasn't figured out the PRV. 

How long have you been on the forum, and how many rude post's like this have you posted?
(Kicks John off his pedestal)

You can see how long by checking out the profile under the avatar.  As for it being rude, perhaps but a long time user shouldn't have a problem using a fundamental feature. I have to wonder what the OP is doing that is so difficult. Oh and as far as being on a pedestal I sure never put myself on it. 
 
The real problem is that the OP just made a claim about the PRV being hard to use. I know, and I suspect you also know, that the PRV is not hard to use. So how does one answer? Just say it isn't, and go back and forth asserting one over the other endlessly? Or simply observe that maybe its time for the OP to learn how the PRV works.  Keep in mind the OP never asked for advice just asserted a false proposition.
 
For many that is not much different from trolling. It seems to have worked at least on your response.  

brundlefly

Mistergreen
When I try to copy some drum events like a ride pattern, I draw a rectangle around the events and it highlights them ALONG with some random events outside the rectangle like a kick or snare. What would cause this?

 
Lassoing the velocity tails of other notes in the PRV will include them by default. You can disable this with a registry edit. See page 739 in the X3 Reference Guide. 

Thanks for the tip. Although the extra events being selected are nowhere near the selection box. Regardless, I'll try it and let you know what happens.

The King of piano roll composition:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vXcjlxK4DQ
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKzupdeJNMo

Alex is it me, or does your profile pic keep on alternating between 2 different ones?

Now I Am confused!!

Paul P

Bristol_Jonesey
Now I Am confused!!

Isn't it just a matter of Alex being online or not ?  I have avatars for each.

Ah - now that would make sense.
 
A long forgotten feature.